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wKkaY
post Apr 29 2020, 12:36 PM

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First year anniversary using SA.

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post Apr 29 2020, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 29 2020, 01:35 PM)
That won't reflect your true portfolio performance from investing perspective.
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What is the definition of "true"?

To me there's no such thing; it's relative to what is used as a benchmark.

The MYR value is perfectly good for comparing against returns from other MYR-denominated funds and other forms of local investments.
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post Jun 15 2020, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(cl.t @ Jun 15 2020, 12:57 PM)
troublesome and not practical for me especially for credit card spending. Most of the time not in Msia and dont want to use Msia credit card in overseas to avoid ridiculous exchange loss.  sweat.gif
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what credit card do you use overseas then?
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post Jun 15 2020, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(cl.t @ Jun 15 2020, 01:03 PM)
foreign country credit card. why?
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Looking for options for when I travel. Getting a credit card local to a specific destination is not really feasible unless I live there :\
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post Feb 5 2021, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(rexus @ Feb 3 2021, 07:11 PM)
If you have direct access to ETFs in USA via a brokerage, would you still go with StashAway?
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My main portfolio is self-managed but I've been investing my salary for the past 2 years through SA. It began as an experiment to see what robo-advisors are like, and I really do like how simple it is. Pick your risk index, put money in, monitor performance. They are a lot more disciplined at maintaining portfolio balance than I am by myself.

However I'm at a juncture where I will probably stop using it. It's not about the fees, it's more that SA doesn't save me time since I already spend 10-20 hours a month following investment news and doing research anyway, and at this point I'm comfortable taking on more risk for reward.
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post Feb 12 2021, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 11 2021, 06:04 PM)
I been putting in lump sum in xxxx and withdraw daily in small amounts of less than RM1 when the MYRUSD price alert trigger on my dashboard
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Nice. Do you have a name for this strategy? How about "keropok lekor system" - because each trade you make is worth about 1 piece of keropok lekor.
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post Feb 14 2021, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Feb 13 2021, 07:38 PM)
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Ahh you selected 13 Feb 2020 instead of 2021...
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post Feb 20 2021, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Feb 19 2021, 11:50 PM)
You're already making a losing argument by comparing it with others instead of letting the market leader stand on their own merits, after blowing their own horn. After years of leading the market and burning through tens millions in startup funding, they still failed to capture a significant chunk of retail investors' money. If this is the level of their success after 4 years of existence then I can see why Smartly (one of the top 3 robos in the region not too long ago) shut down. Assuming everyone pays the highest rate of 0.8%, as an simple example, they only make roughly $8 million per year in revenue. This is with over a hundred employees earning relatively high wages in USD/SGD.
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Yeah it's really a game of volume and numbers at that kind of fee structure and to get there they need to burn lots of VC funds. I don't know the specifics of SA's operations, but their CEO is ex-Rocket/Zalora - and when Zalora started up they hired lots of management consultants - eager, talented, and expensive.
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post Feb 26 2021, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(cathorla @ Feb 26 2021, 02:53 PM)
This whole week has been a disaster ... a 5% drop for my portfolio. When can we expect things to get better?
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Down 3% here on 30 SRI, which one are you on?
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post Mar 2 2021, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Mar 2 2021, 02:07 AM)
How is SA actually managing this small of an amount though?
Take manual investing for instance, RM20 (approx 5 USD) is too small to effectively buy anything except fractional shares, and that's still gonna incur hefty commission fees...

Do you mind sharing a snippet of how the transactions look like? Thank you!
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My guess is that they pool all their customers and just trade the difference between what they hold and what they want.

It can be done cheaply because they only have a small number of ETFs, and they execute infrequently.

They've mentioned before that they internally trade buyers and sellers within the fund.
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post Mar 2 2021, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Mar 2 2021, 02:19 PM)
Oh that explains it.... but surely there will be a difference daily, which they'll have to then trade externally, which translates to fees. Wondering if that frequency depends on reaching a certain threshold (hence holding off a day or two until they reach a certain amount needed to trade externally) or 100% daily without fail...
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You can read about their order execution policy here: https://assets.stashaway.com/documents/my/S...tion-Policy.pdf

Yeah they'll surely incur fees, but maybe their management fees are enough to cover it. As long as the majority of their customers aren't treating it as a quasi stock/forex trading account laugh.gif
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post Mar 11 2021, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(ChessRook @ Mar 11 2021, 09:26 PM)
I am wondering whether the 0.2% expense ratio already included in the annual fee or the total feel we pay is 0.8% (annual fee) + 0.2% (ETF expense ratio)
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It's the latter, but in your statement you will see only the 0.8%. The 0.2% is reflected in the ETF price, deducted daily from its NAV.
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post Mar 16 2021, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 16 2021, 05:20 PM)
This is penny wise pound foolish. You should ask yourself whether your DIY can perform better than SAMY? If SAMY can give 10% returns at 1% cost but your own DIY only 5% return at 0.001% cost, which is better?
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Let's not forget that SAMY's fees are annual, whereas brokerages can have zero annual fees.

We just came out of an incredible bull run in 2020, but if the market moves sideways, you might start to question the fees you pay sweat.gif
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post Mar 16 2021, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(sohailili @ Mar 16 2021, 06:49 PM)
Hence sideway market may not have much impact on our investment.
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The context of my post was about fees. When you need to pay a percentage on assets like 0.5%, it's easier to swallow when you're making 20% returns, compared to 2% returns.
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post Mar 18 2021, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 17 2021, 01:16 PM)
i all in stashaway.  biggrin.gif  just get a credit card with high credit limit and medical card you should be good. nowadays unlikely need huge amount of cash suddenly unless got people kena kidnapped need ransom or relatives want to borrow money from you.
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Doesn't it worry you that in the event that SA goes under, you are at risk of losing access to your both your investment and emergency funds, until the liquidation process completes?

For that reason I prefer to keep my emergency funds in a bank.
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post Apr 19 2021, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 19 2021, 01:20 PM)
I see. Thank you.

However, despite entering the lowest SRI, it's still showing 5 years of loss prior to any gains. As shown below.

Is the whole Stashaway investment considered as high risk in general? I understand that it's higher risk compared to MMF etc, but despite sliding from 6.5% - 36%, it still projects roughly 5 years of loss.

I understand these are projections, but would like to understand what or why.
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My guess is that their formula for that projection looks like A^t - B*t + monthly_deposit*t + initial_deposit and the second (linear) term dominates for the first 5 years before the first (exponential) term catches up.
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post Apr 22 2021, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Apr 29 2020, 12:36 PM)
First year anniversary using SA.

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Second year anniversary using SA.

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post Apr 22 2021, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kadaj @ Apr 22 2021, 04:26 PM)
Looks good, mind sharing what RSI are you investing?
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26 or 30
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post Apr 26 2021, 10:53 PM

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No idea how he calculated 0.5%. Like the others, I get a ~0.1% rate too.

Here's my numbers, and I chose the best rate at BNM's website to compare the SA rate to.

Date SA rate BNM 5PM selling rate %
2021-04-15 0.2421 0.2425 0.16
2021-04-01 0.2410 0.2414 0.16
2021-03-17 0.2424 0.2428 0.16
2021-03-03 0.2467 0.2470 0.12

If I had chosen the mid-market rate I'd get 0.04-0.08%.

Note that I'm on the USD portfolio, customers on the GBP portfolio might get different numbers.
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post Apr 27 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 27 2021, 12:07 PM)
Depends on the market value when the sell order is executed it might be higher or lower on the the day when the sell order is executed
Like I said go check this week rate and you will know because you are investing small sum hence you are not exposed for conversion losses
Yes this after deducting 1% in cash and the missing 0.5% is because forex conversion on the volatility of exchange rate

If you check on your MYR and USD and you will realise the difference in the % of the performance which accounts for it as the range will be 0.12 to 0.5% on depending on the time horizon
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Why don't you show your numbers?

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