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Drian
post Aug 26 2019, 11:34 AM

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Projection is really useless anyway. Thee's no way you can project something with +/-10% accuracy for the next 20 years.

There are so many things that can happen in 20 years.

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post Apr 21 2020, 09:14 PM

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Does anyone have any breakdown on the portfolio for Stashaway lowest risk settings?

I'm planning to use Stashaway lowest risk settings sort of like an FD in USD, assuming Stashaway puts the money in US Bonds.

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post Apr 21 2020, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 21 2020, 09:17 PM)
This one?

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ahh still got 11% equities .

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post Jul 21 2020, 11:47 AM

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How many of you have 3 portfolios ? Just wondering

I have 36%, 16%, 6.5%. I put in based on gut feel on the market trend.

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post Sep 5 2020, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Sep 4 2020, 06:18 PM)
If want to time the market, why not invest to share market instead of invest in SA?

Therefore I will keep on DCA, only will increase the DCA amount if I got extra money.
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post Sep 7 2020, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(stormseeker92 @ Sep 6 2020, 02:44 PM)
I just started 30% and 36% risk last week. Should I focus only on either one or DCA small amounts on both?

Whats your take on this sifus
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30 and 36% is such a small gap won't make much of a difference.




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post Oct 2 2020, 09:59 AM

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I have 3 portfolios, 10%, 20% and 36%.

Surprisingly the 10% dropped the most. When I say dropped the most it means , how big of a percentage from the gain for the past 6 months it dropped.


Moral of the story low risk can lose more than high risk.

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Oct 2 2020, 10:01 AM)
Your 3 portfolio all invested same amount of money ?
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No. I calculate from percentage gain.
If you gain +10% and then now is +1%, it means a 90% drop.
If another portfolio gained +30% and then drop to 15% , it's a 50% drop.

So far it seems my 36% and 20% outperform the 10%, if calculated this way.


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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 2 2020, 10:09 AM)
the 10% portfolio should be the more defensive portfolio.

given the rise in equities in the past few months, surely you will see the 36% and 20% outperform the 10%.

if we go into crisis tomorrow, the 36% and the 20% will also surely drop the most, theoretically, right?
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It's not about absolute amount of gain, it's about how much of a % gain that you lost during a dip.


Say a low risk portfolio increased by 6%, some shit happen and now it's 0% -> that would be 100% loss in gain.

A high risk portfolio increased by 30%, some shit happen and now it's 15%, ->50% loss in gain.


Although percentage wise 15% loss in gain is higher than 6% loss in gain but in terms of percentage of percentage gain, the 6% loss in gain still loses more than the -15% losses.





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post Oct 2 2020, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 2 2020, 10:39 AM)
if you wanna measure it this way.

but let's not forget.

the defensive portfolio loses 6% in reality and the risky portfolio loses 15%.

so in a nutshell, the 10% portfolio is also a more defensive portfolio in nature and it is designed to investors with less risk appetite, no?
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How can it be defensive when it drops 100% of it's gain. The % that it drops >> % that it increase.










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post Oct 2 2020, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 2 2020, 11:08 AM)
so by your logic, the riskier the better?
if i may ask, in your opinion, those 6-10% risk index portfolio is a conjob.....? since they are not a defensive portfolio by your interpretation.
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I wouldn't call it a conjob. More like Stashaway definiton of low risk is just comparing % return which really don't tell the whole story.
My interpretation of risk/reward return is:-

Assume these Parameters:-

How much it goes up when times are good - Gain(Positive)
How much it goes down when times are bad - Gain(Negative)



Low risk
1.)Low Return
2.)Low "Gain(Negative)/Gain(Positive) Ratio."


High risk

1.)High Return
2.)High "Gain(Negative)/Gain(Positive) Ratio."


however I noticed the 20% risk "Gain(Negative)/Gain(Positive) Ratio." is lower than 10% risk "Gain(Negative)/Gain(Positive) Ratio."








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post Oct 2 2020, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 2 2020, 11:25 AM)
what if you had just entered all the 3 portfolios just before the drops in Mar or during just before the recent minor corrections?
imagine IF there is no gain yet (profit is 0%).
which one would have dropped more?
the 10% or the 36% one?

in general theory understanding the 10% would gain lesser than the 36% in good period where all the various asset classes increased at the same time amid different rate.
depending on the reasons for corrections or the reasons for the drops.....some asset class will not drop but increases.....but some times ALL of them can dropped together too amid different rates. (Mar 2020, i think FI, EQ, GOLD and OIL ..... ALL affected))
if one had just started to accumulate a little bits of the gains or waiting to accumulate the gains and if so happens all the mkts corrected....the all the portfolios also kena.
thus the 10% portfolio which are heavy in FI thus would have gained lesser than the 36% portfolio during the "Good" period......
the accumulated gains of the 10% portfolio would be easily wiped out during FI sell out.

just like those that bought some RHB FI UT funds sometimes back.....
during a bond default, the losses had wiped out many months of accumulated gains of those FI UT funds.
for those new investors that kena hit...will say, "Celaka one...FI ut can loss more than some equities funds i had in a short period"

more to related subject...
Which StashAway Risk Index Should You Choose?
The SRI is derived from a common risk metric, Value-at-Risk (VaR). VaR measures the likelihood of a potential loss on your portfolio.
Basically, it preemptively answers the question, “How much could I possibly lose on my investment in any given year?”
https://www.stashaway.my/r/which-stashaway-...ould-you-choose
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I understand that. It's just something to me I would also have the "Gain return ratio" as part of the matrix of risk. As you shown Stashaway risk index only measures returns and losses but not the ratio.

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Oct 2 2020, 01:09 PM)
tonite will be interesting -

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aiya just top up yesterday . Is it possible to put it on hold like maybe put in to the Simple fund first ?

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post Oct 31 2020, 03:34 PM

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My 10% portfolio is now negative. Money Weighted Return:- -0.07%

My 36% portfolio is now still positive. Money Weighted Return +1%

Both placed roughly during the same time.
Low risk isn't that low risk after all.
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post Nov 27 2020, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Nov 26 2020, 08:48 PM)
Not sure has anyone thought of this. Having a portfolio with lowest risk 6.5% and just jam loads of usd when myr is strong.

I find stashaway conversion rate is rather competitive. Also is better than foreign currency fixed deposit.

Having a lowest risk portfolio as myr hedge isn't a bad idea? Your thoughts?
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FSM low risk is not really “low risk” in my definition. You could be going 1 step forward in good times and then 2 steps back in bad times.
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Nov 27 2020, 01:53 PM)
FSM? Or SAMY?
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Hehe Stashaway ... typo
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QUOTE(ken431256 @ Jun 28 2021, 04:35 PM)
Guys, investing incrementally daily or lump sum monthly can get better return with stashaway?
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No one can predict that.
it depends on timing,.
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post Mar 24 2022, 10:23 AM

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so did their AI roboadvisior predict KWEB losses and acted accordingly?


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post Jun 23 2022, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 21 2022, 05:40 PM)
When you withdraw it is into a bank account out of SA reach. Then from the bank account you deposit back into SA how does SA verify the deposit come from the earlier withdrawn monies?

This is also same for Spore bank FD promotion they keep saying only allow fresh funds how do banks check the fund withdrawn is later deposited back as fresh funds? I guess for banks maybe can as between banks their own IT system can "talk to each other" but SA is not a bank only a fintech hmmm.... just curious that's all
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I guess they can look at net balance from a certain date.
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post Oct 14 2022, 05:02 PM

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Man even my 10% risk is negative , invested 3.5 years...

So much for AI prediction.


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