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Davidtcf
post Dec 3 2021, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Dec 3 2021, 12:05 AM)
As a comp sci graduate who did machine learning for FYP... I am interested if thats true.

But I have really never seen StashAway said they are AI-based, even from site-specific search results. Did they actually say it?

AI is not magic k, as of now AI is only good for pattern matching, I doubt they work well in finance unless its for HFT, market making etc, which StashAway isnt.
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Search “stashaway robo” . They are using AI complex algorithms to invest. Such as setting target profits and how to avoid losses etc. Of course they won’t simply disclose it to the public else everyone will copy. Also how to keep their fees so low if using human as their fund managers? For sure will be much more costly. Just see how much it takes to open a Public Mutual Fund.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/asean-busi...althy-investors

If wanna know them in detail, means u need to be part of their technical team.

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Davidtcf
post Dec 3 2021, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Dec 3 2021, 12:48 AM)
I am pretty sure you dont know what you are talking.

1. Humans made the portfolio templates (6%, 8%… 36%).
2. When deposit, withdrawal event happens, stashaway calculates how to reduce the error between current and target allocation in your personal portfolio, then come up with a trade plan - this is called rebalancing.

Stashaway fees arent low, we are paying them to make the fractional trades and professionals to come up with the portfolios.

Make no mistake, Stashaway is not using AI to help us trade, they dont change the portfolios that frequently.
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Ok then if you’re so sure of your answer don’t bother asking in the forum. Like I said they won’t fully reveal their secret of their trade. No one will fully know 100%.
Davidtcf
post Dec 3 2021, 05:39 PM

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Anyone got invest in thematic portfolios? Such as healthcare, tech, and consumer goods?

How are those funds performing? They have higher risk of at least 20% and above. I got put some money in those, but bulk is in General Investing as I am still new in Stashaway. Wanna try out first.

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post Dec 5 2021, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Dec 4 2021, 01:25 PM)
you can compare with this post

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Thanks2! Will invest a while to see if general investing or thematic has overall better returns. Hard to see anything now as I’m just a few days old in Stashaway.

Thinking of buying US S&P 500 Irish domiciled directly, but due to complications of buying it (need SG bank account, wise transfer, 15% wh tax etc yada2)decided to try Stashaway for foreign stocks. Might put some funds aside one day for this to compare returns.

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Davidtcf
post Dec 7 2021, 12:17 PM

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Finally saw some updates to my graph after waiting for a few days. Go up a few bucks lol.

Question: Will stashaway be affected by FSI tax starting next year? If we are to sell? Or we have to declare in income tax efilling ourselves? Since Stashaway only invest in foreign stocks and bonds?

Hate this gov for imposing FSI tax to individuals also. Like we normal people not poor enough now coming for our investments. Pls tax those rich ppl la.. We normal ppl few k also want come after us wtf? 🤬😡 not like we transferring few millions back to malaysia pun.

Also no brain this FSI.. If we already pay tax on foreign stocks example VWRA 15% withholding tax. Why need pay malaysian tax again? That would be considered double tax?? Breach of agreement with some countries liao like US!

Pls vote this gov out in next election.

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post Dec 7 2021, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 7 2021, 02:07 PM)
a little bit to add on the FSI that you bring up.

If the gain is capital in nature, nope, you will not be taxed.

If it's revenue in nature, yes you will be taxed.
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confusing..: https://themalaysianreserve.com/2021/11/22/...sourced-income/

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“What should be highlighted here is that this only applies to income. Capital gains that are not taxable in Malaysia will not be subject to tax. A transitional tax rate of 3% is accorded on the gross amount received in Malaysia from Jan 1, 2022, to June 30, 2022, and this is likely to encourage early remittance.

“Moving forward, where a taxpayer’s foreign-sourced remittances consists of income that is both revenue and capital in nature, it would be crucial to identify and segregate the income in order for the appropriate tax treatment to be taken,” he told The Malaysian Reserve (TMR).

He said tax deductions should be available for expenses incurred in the production of FSI that is revenue in nature.


https://home.kpmg/my/en/home/media/press-re...o-malaysia.html

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"If the income stays overseas, it will not be taxed. What should be highlighted here also is that this will only apply to income. Gains that are not taxable in Malaysia will not be subject to tax," he says.
seems to me like not affected.

this finance minister suka2.. and they say LGE is bad. This one worse as he is big time scaring away foreign investors to our Bursa with prosperity tax + 0.15 increased stamp duty for local stocks.
Davidtcf
post Dec 7 2021, 05:28 PM

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Official reply from Stashaway Whatsapp account (screenshot attached at btm)

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Hi David, thanks for reaching out to us.

Unfortunately, there is not enough clarity on the foreign income matter as the finance bill is yet to be issued by the Government. There is no further mention of what type of foreign source income will be taxed under this new ruling.

We are currently seeking clarification from our tax advisor regarding this matter. In the meantime, we encourage you to consult with your tax advisor as they would be more suited to advise on the best course of action regarding the newly implemented taxation regulation.

We thank you for your kind understanding. Should you have any other questions, feel free to reach out to us.


Lol good that not I alone confuse.. SA people also confused 😂

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Davidtcf
post Dec 8 2021, 03:24 PM

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what he said made sense.. decided to move my investments to Healthcare and General Investing (both highest risk):





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post Dec 9 2021, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 9 2021, 07:31 AM)
Well make sure that you can stomach the dips.

Healthcare and tech thematic so far is very volatile. Luckily the bonds and gold helps a bit in reducing it.

But so far so good. Eyeing the returns after 5 years or so. So fingers cross.
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will leave my investments there long term.. at least a few years. So should be ok even if dip here and there a bit.
with Covid every corner now Healthcare related should be a good pick imo.
if really bad long run then will divert all funds to general investing.

maybe one day if pro at investing, then withdraw all and ownself invest.


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post Dec 10 2021, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(pixelrider @ Dec 10 2021, 06:03 PM)
My coins on Luno are showing a hint of red.  tongue.gif

Hope I didn't invite unnecessary trouble over this zzz.
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Same with me. Was testing out crypto and got burnt. Manage to transfer out bitcoin and litecoin to celcius to earn some interest.. But not for Ethereum, due to high cost of network fee so now let it park in my Luno wallet zz.

Playing crypto is pure speculation. Really need monitor the up and down graphs and buy/sell at right time.

They will recover maybe higher after this.. But dunno when. Money all freeze there now.

Stashaway still safer for noob investors like us. At least in control much.

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post Dec 12 2021, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Dec 12 2021, 09:42 AM)
My mom is a Singaporean with her own Sg bank acc but staying in MY with us... But yeah dun really wanna involve her account in my transactions..

Oh well will rethink how to make my Sg savings do some work for me haha
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If you really insist then diy investing yourself. Go through Interactive brokers and buy the ETFs that you like. Recommend Irish domicile etfs so that save on 15% withholding tax.

Some US stocks like Apple, Amazon, Tesla worth to buy too. If want good EU or Asia stocks etf u can copy stashaway investments or research via youtube, reddit, websites

Check out Ziet Invest youtube he has very detailed steps on how to do the above.
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post Dec 12 2021, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 12 2021, 12:02 PM)
Can he open that Ibk a/c with his sg bank a/c without his singpass?
He wanted to use his sg a/c for investment in sg
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Use sg bank account transfer to wise then to IBKR.
Inside Ziet latest videos he got explain how. I had tried this myself using Malaysia Maybank and it works. Take about one day for Wise to reach IBKR. For Maybank to Wise is via FPX so it's instant. Their FX rate is reasonable also. Once u master this can even think about buying other US, UK, EU, or Asia stocks directly.

Stashaway is easier if you wish to deposit small amount every month or don't have that much cash to invest in one go (Some people prefer this also as hard for them to accumulate a big sum then invest). Stashaway got reveal what ETFs they pick when u select their portfolio? So u can copy their same ETFs to invest yourself (easier if u have larger sum of cash). Diy also means you'll save on Stashaway annual fees.. So here is where you'll gain.

I got buy some s&p 500 CSPX on IBKR too. Downside is same as buying direct via any broker, the more u buy at one go the more you safe on fx, interest and fees. If buy at small amounts each time you'll lose more. If stashaway then u can deposit small amounts each month, and what I guess Stashaway does is it combines with other Stashaway members' payments and buy stocks in bulk, to save on these charges.

Stashaway and IBKR both invest using USD so no worry about our currency declining one day.

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post Dec 12 2021, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 12 2021, 08:19 PM)
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arslow, i hope the above post is informative for you,.....
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Also I don't get why he keep say stashaway SG better. Malaysia Stashaway also invests in USD. As per my screenshot here to prove it.

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post Dec 12 2021, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 12 2021, 08:30 PM)
i think he did mentioned earlier that he wanted to use his sgd in his sg bank,....
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Then transfer from cimb sg to cimb malaysia to save on forex. Or use wise from sg bank to a malaysian local bank. Fees not much also.
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post Dec 12 2021, 08:39 PM

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Stashaway would detect you're in Malaysia and auto divert you to MY Stashaway. Also even if you try open a SG stashaway account they will sure ask for SG identification papers and a SG residential address. So for sure is no go for Stashaway SG account.

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post Dec 14 2021, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(hiyyl @ Dec 13 2021, 09:42 AM)
Wise website is this?  [https://wise.com/my/]

So basically is from mbb my to wise to ibkr right? I wanna use the cimb method, but need some documents from my company to open account (which i dont want to mellow.gif )
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Yes https://wise.com/my/

They have app also on mobile can use that too.

Yes any local bank can FPX to Wise. Then use wise trasnfer to IBKR. Follow this video:



I'm not sure if this same way can use for withdrawal or whether is it optimal or not? Waiting for Ziet to upload on this (in his comments he said soon next video).

When invest at IBKR make sure change it to Tiered pricing. Else Fixed tier expensive the rate (unless if u rich one time always buy many stocks):

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post Dec 14 2021, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Dec 12 2021, 11:38 PM)
malaysians can open syfe, endowus and stashaway sg
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Ok sorry. Earlier I simply tembak. I'm from IT background so that's why it didn't make sense to me why they allow msians to open sg account. Follow u guys' experience then.
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post Dec 14 2021, 07:41 PM

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Can start with ETFs first. Especially S&P500:


Most of stashaway investments are ETFs.

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post Dec 16 2021, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Dec 16 2021, 12:24 AM)
lol, if it helps, i sold, and bought back cheaper as per the dates below. could've stayed out but the dead cat bounce fooled me. chart derived from yahoo finance and then generated using google sheets sparkline
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no meltdown overall
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if paper loss in Stashaway best not to sell, else loss will become actual loss.
Leave it till the stocks/ETFs bounce back. If you can wait 3-5 years for them to grow then no worry.
If an ETF keeps red i'm sure Stashaway will do some reoptimization to prevent further loss.

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post Dec 16 2021, 02:17 PM

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Stashaway's reply to me when I asked them whether is there difference put in small amounts of cash or large amount. I was curious if larger amount of deposits can save on fees or not (foreign exchange, brokerage fees).. so answer is no. Everything included in their per annum fee:

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To clarify, there is no difference between the investing strategy or transaction fees for one-time and/or monthly transfers.

Just to share that StashAway is built for medium to long-term investments, which encourages regular investment contributions and that's why we have the one-time deposit settings on top of the monthly deposit.

Our management fee ranges from 0.2%-0.8% per annum. We charge this amount monthly on a pro-rata basis, on the average Assets under Management (AUM) of that month. The average AUM also includes any returns made on the portfolio.

It is a tiered pricing structure so the more you invest, the lower the management fees will be depending on the applicable pricing tiers which you can find here: https://www.stashaway.my/pricing

This fee includes the cost of executing the ETF transactions, rebalancing your portfolio, and changing your asset mix when economic conditions change (also known as reoptimisation). There’s no additional brokerage, transaction, or any other type of fee.

ETFs charge, on average, an expense ratio of 0.15% to-0.25%.  ETF managers charge this amount throughout the year and automatically deduct it from the returns; this deduction is already reflected in the daily NAV that you see, so you won’t see this cash flow reflected in your account. You’ll incur this expense ratio on any platform you use to purchase ETFs.

There’s also a currency conversion fee of 0.1% on the spot rate each time we convert your funds from MYR to USD or vice versa, which is the preferred rate we’ve negotiated with CitiBank for our customers. This fee is much lower than what you will get with most commercial banks. To put this amount into perspective, currencies often fluctuate by more than 0.01% on any given day.

Hope this clarifies and do let us know if you have any further questions ahead!


really like how their whatsapp support reply my questions.. always quite fast and good answers. thumbup.gif

so means if you deposit RM50 every month or RM1000 every month, the amount of charges incurred is the same. But if your total deposit with Stashaway exceed RM50k then will start see savings on per annum fees.

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