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Xenopher
post Oct 27 2020, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 27 2020, 10:19 AM)
With the ongoing pandemic but yet stock markets around the world r booming or not affected due to ample liquidity. What would happen when the world goes back to normal cos vaccine is effective?
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Huge inflation, escalated Matthew effect, worsen starvation in third world country, USD might lose more confidence as global currency reserve. Just thinking out loud.
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post Oct 31 2020, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 31 2020, 03:34 PM)
My 10%  portfolio is now negative. Money Weighted Return:- -0.07%

My 36% portfolio is now still positive. Money Weighted Return +1%

Both placed roughly during the same time.
Low risk isn't that low risk after all.
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Low risk just means low average value fluctuation. Not necessarily low chance of dropping/raising.

At the end the value only matters at the time you sell it.
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post Oct 31 2020, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 31 2020, 03:42 PM)
SA has been asking me to reduce my SRI to 10% again.
This us my 2nd time.
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Did you withdraw before? Or you stated in the questionnaire you have a lot of commitments/loans?
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post Nov 6 2020, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(omegaoracle @ Nov 6 2020, 02:35 PM)
Agree with both of you. But when is the best time to change the risk index, is now the best time when all the portfolios are in positive?
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The best time to change the risk index is when your risk appetite change, regardless of market performance.
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post Nov 18 2020, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 18 2020, 07:08 PM)
Not really.. Using the same start date MWR gives me about 48% since first deposit, whereas XIRR gives me about 22% XIRR.

Cash Flow is exactly the same.
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I could be wrong but I think the difference is due to MWR being non-annualized and XIRR being annualized.
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post Nov 19 2020, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(vam @ Nov 19 2020, 03:52 PM)
ah i see ... i actually tot it works like the SA simple just that the risk is higher

so you guys actually withdraw when you expect it to drop and deposit it back when you expect it to rise?
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Risk means how much the value can fluctuate from its 'fair value', so yes it can goes into negative region.

Correct way to invest recommended by StashAway in short:
Every month put in a fixed amount from your active income, ignore the ups and downs, consistently do this for years until you need that money.

I suggest you can go read up their articles (under Learn>Insights). Quite a lot of useful knowledge regarding investment.
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post Dec 1 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(jacksonpang @ Dec 1 2020, 11:13 AM)
I'm just a newbie, any pro willing to share what's happening in the market this few months?
What I experienced is SA not performing since July (the month i joined) till now. Another huge drop today, so now back to negative.
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You shouldn't judge the performance in so short time. Just DCA consistently and come back in few years time. At that time any 'huge drop' or 'huge increase' today will looks like nothing but a small bump.


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post Dec 1 2020, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(jacksonpang @ Dec 1 2020, 04:53 PM)
I see. Thanks for the info. Seems like under some circumstances, "time the market" still have its own benefit. Nevermind then, i will still continue DCA and see how's the performance after 1 year.
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'Time the market' can only outperform 'Time in the market' if you can consistently 'Time the market' correctly, which historically no human managed to do so.

Just imagine if we are all now back to April time, most of the people would still cashing out all investments because most feared the market would drop further. Even if some invest during that time, a lot of people cashed out during May/June because many were seeing it as bull trap. You can look back those older posts yourself, whether in this thread or other investment forums/thread.

Realistically no one can always time the market correctly. There are a lot of studies on this topic, and the finding is that even if we can time the market correctly most of the time, timing it wrong a few times already can make us underperformed compared to consistent DCA.
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post Dec 2 2020, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Dec 2 2020, 02:54 PM)
deposit on 30-Nov
money transferred into each portfolio i have on 1-Dec

however, there was no buy order on 1-Dec and check today (just now) still remains as cash asset.

Is it just me? or SA getting slow in terms of executing order?
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Same here. Monday transferred via Jompay, until now no buy order yet (not even In Progress).
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post Dec 2 2020, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Dec 2 2020, 03:32 PM)
1st time invest in SAMY here... using auto-debit recurring date on every 28th... received an email on 30th saying "Direct debit have been scheduled"...  but till today showing my auto-debit still in progress 😅

The amount still not yet transacted from my bank account
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1st time auto debit is usually slow (around 5-7days) because of the e-mandate process with bank. Subsequent should be a lot faster.
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post Dec 17 2020, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Dec 17 2020, 07:16 PM)
Selling and buying the THE SAME etf ,sell on T, buy back same ETF at T+1 with higher price
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My account transactions are normal. Better check with their support.
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post Dec 18 2020, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Dec 18 2020, 07:31 AM)
Already ask SA support, but i disagree with the answer given. It seems my worry about manipulation since the change of terms and condition about to come true. At least that is what it looks like right now. Other thing is this is for the old portfolio not the new one with gold.

Remember etf does not completely need to go through the exchange now as per updated terms and condition. It can exchange internally within SA.
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Mind to share what is the answer given?
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post Jan 8 2021, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Jan 8 2021, 10:12 AM)
I found that more frequently do DCA, the gap between portfolio value & net deposit is bigger. The return is better if we do more frequently DCA ?
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Actually the difference is negligible. It only looked 'bigger gap' visually on the graph because the increment (DCA amount) is smaller than the net total return, hence you see a bigger area in between actual value and deposit value.
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post Jan 10 2021, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 10 2021, 08:26 PM)
Means that you are good disciplined but lazy to time the markets

TWR is good for passive investors who doesn’t want to put into work and just let their savings grow which I believe 90% of SA customer does

MWR is good for those who are willing to put in some effort into understanding and timing the market when to buy hence rotational gain because FX conversion deposits and buy order

There is no right or wrong or suck it is just that approaches are different

For me I prefer MWR because the liquidity of it and the timing of FX which I always look into weekly basis and current ETF prices before putting buy order

The only good thing with StashAway is the buy order will be calculate by them and the awesome spot rates at the moment  rclxms.gif
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I disagree. MWR lower than TWR actually means you time the market wrong. Hence putting lumpsum at the beginning and leave it (TWR) is higher than adjusted returns due to cash flows (MWR).

If you DCA consistently and never try to time the market, your MWR will always be higher than TWR due to the auto rebalancing.

This post has been edited by Xenopher: Jan 10 2021, 11:34 PM
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post Jan 11 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jan 11 2021, 01:37 AM)
The link you showed explains it that way because it is attempting to calculate a TWR for a fund.

If you look at the mathematical formula shown on the page for the calculation, you can see that it is a compounded ROI of subperiods: R = [(1+r1)(1+r2)...(1+rn)]-1. You can also see that the definition for r1...rn is the ROI for a single subperiod: (value_curr + income - input + output)/value_prev. In their formula they’re using unit price (or NAV) for value_curr and value_prev.
Yes to calculate the TWR that is what we must do. There are 6 subperiods in that table. We need to get the ROI for each subperiods minus the net deposit and compound those. The Feb-May subperiod ROI = ((3134.15 - 2000)/1023)-1 = 0.1086 = 10.86%. The granularity of the subperiods is entirely up to us.

If we want the performance of RM 1 from the beginning until the end, we can just multiply each month’s return to get the final 17.06%. Alternatively if we have no deposits past the first month, calculating the TWR on a monthly subperiod will just give you the same 17.06%.
This isn’t correct. MWR being higher or lower than TWR has nothing to do with rebalancing nor timing the market. The calculation for MWR seeks to find a rate of return (called the discount rate) so that the total cash inflow equals total cash outflow; in other words the net present value of all inflows and outflows equal 0. I have an old post that shows how this is computed manually. If you have Excel or GSheets, you can just use the function XIRR to compute this easily.

Whether DCA’ing is better versus Lump Sum, or whether a higher DCA frequency is better depends entirely on opportunity costs and the increase/decrease of the average price you’re buying at. As such, DCA’ing into a market that is progressively more expensive will increase your average price; increased cost means your returns would be less. On the other hand, a market that is trending down will result in lower average prices. It should be obvious that if the market is going to be much more expensive 5 months later, a Lump Sum right now would result in lower prices.
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I could be wrong but this is how I look at it.

If everything else is constant, as in market increment/decrement rate over time (0% fluctuation), DCA amount, DCA frequency etc, the final calculated MWR will be exactly equals to TWR.

Auto-rebalancing makes MWR higher than TWR because different market assets fluctuate in different direction all the time, hence rebalancing act somehow buy some assets at lower fluctuation point, at any point of time.

The assumption here is market always go up in the long run, no matter how it fluctuate in the process. And this assumption should stay correct in today's monetary system where the volume of money supply always increase over time.
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post Jan 15 2021, 12:07 PM

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They have mentioned several times in their weekly market commentary that, despite they are open to crypto industry as a whole, they won't invest directly into certain crypto currency such as bitcoins.

Following their market commentary gives me confidence in continuing my investment in SA, as their ideology is quite similar to mine. I would be very disappointed if somehow they add bitcoin into their portfolio.
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post Feb 5 2021, 12:32 PM

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Either one or more of the below:
1. Panic withdraw during market dip
2. Fear of missing out and pump a lot more during market raise
3. Switch to lower risk index during market dip
4. Switch to higher risk index during market raise

Easy method that works for almost everyone:
Consistently 'stash away' a portion of active income and ignore for 10-30 years.
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post Mar 6 2021, 12:09 AM

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Just continue to DCA as planned. I'm not even someone who invested long ago, I'm sure people like honsiong is having way higher returns than me.
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post Mar 12 2021, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Xenopher @ Mar 6 2021, 12:09 AM)
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Just continue to DCA as planned. I'm not even someone who invested long ago, I'm sure people like honsiong is having way higher returns than me.
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Just sharing. I just followed my monthly deposit plan and my 36SRI portfolio also gained more than 4% this week.

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post Apr 9 2021, 10:32 PM

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Still no market insight, unusually late this time.

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