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post Jun 19 2007, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 19 2007, 06:41 PM)
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Radiator = aluminium
Heat pipe = copper
HSF baseplate = copper
copper and aluminium... the feared combination. You will definitely get galvanic corrosion even if you add coolant. coolant additives slows down the corrosion process only. I don't suggest you run this combo for a long time.

the pump max head pressure is what matters most, not the flowrate though. the 1500lph is rated at zero restriction and zero increase in pumping height. If your pump doesn't have good head pressure, with a restrictive loop, the resultant flowrate will be much lower.
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post Jun 19 2007, 07:25 PM

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i`m not sure how to read this but there writen
Hmax = 66/2.00m
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post Jun 19 2007, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 19 2007, 07:25 PM)
i`m not sure how to read this but there writen
Hmax = 66/2.00m
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yup this is the max head pressure. 2 metres is just average but okay lah for now.
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post Jun 19 2007, 08:20 PM

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hey, i get a new result , i switched off my com for 1hour without switch off the radiator fan and pump , then i switch on my com and left it for 5 minit and i get 43C
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post Jun 20 2007, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 18 2007, 11:05 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

The heat pipes seems to be empty inside

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Here`s the proof that inside is empty , no liquid , no powder
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The heatpipes is empty after you cut it open? shocking.gif

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post Jun 20 2007, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(Polar_012 @ Jun 20 2007, 12:03 AM)
The heatpipes is empty after you cut it open?  shocking.gif
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The answer for that question is in the post i link below:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=12122926
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post Jun 20 2007, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 20 2007, 12:50 AM)
The answer for that question is in the post i link below:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=12122926
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Thanks bro guess i missed that part.
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post Jun 20 2007, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 18 2007, 11:29 PM)
but it does`t smell anything when i cutted....
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About the heatpipe, if its gas, it doesn't need to have a smell..many gases don't have any smell.. Clean air for example, you could tell shit if the air you breathe had more carbon dioxide or nitrogen, as long as it has about 20% oxygen.


QUOTE(MetalZone @ Jun 19 2007, 06:23 PM)
I must say good job to your creativity despite the shortcomings. lohwenli has addressed most of them.

Some things to correct from lohwenli's post:
water doesn't corrode. it's a transfer of ions in what you call in layman's term "battery effect". when two incompatible metals are combined in the same loop, you get galvanic corrosion.
in the case of our TS's system, the heatpipes are copper, but what is the "radiator" made of?

I've never heard about that less electrical conductivity however. Pure distilled water is non-conductive. Once you get a tiny contamination of another substance, it becomes slightly conductive already. Same goes for all other non-conductive fluids particularly those that contain mainly distilled water.
coolant additives actually help lubricate the pump to some extent. When you add a minimal amount, it hardly affects flow rates to a noticeable level. But 75%... oh dear.
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I'll take this as a compliment from my WC sifu..

To correct my statement-yes, distilled water is a poor conductor (a couple M ohm) and only becomes noticably conductive when other substances are dissolved in it. Coolant additives are do not conduct because they're organic compounds, and they inhibit water from dissolving other substances which would make it conductive. And less conduction also means less corrosion, as galvanic effects can only happen in a conductive liquid.

Easiest way to detect battery effect/galvanic corrosion-use a multimeter to test any 2 components in the loop which do not have direct contact with each other or metal connecting both of them. If there is galvanic corrosion, a voltage will be present (typically about 0.2-1.0V).


QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 19 2007, 08:20 PM)
hey, i get a new result , i switched off my com for 1hour without switch off the radiator fan and pump , then i switch on my com and left it for 5 minit and i get 43C
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Leave it longer bro, and the temp will be the same again.

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post Jun 20 2007, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Jun 20 2007, 01:12 AM)
I'll take this as a compliment from my WC sifu..

To correct my statement-yes, distilled water is a poor conductor (a couple M ohm) and only becomes noticably conductive when other substances are dissolved in it. Coolant additives are do not conduct because they're organic compounds, and they inhibit water from dissolving other substances which would make it conductive. And less conduction also means less corrosion, as galvanic effects can only happen in a conductive liquid.

Easiest way to detect battery effect/galvanic corrosion-use a multimeter to test any 2 components in the loop which do not have direct contact with each other or metal connecting both of them. If there is galvanic corrosion, a voltage will be present (typically about 0.2-1.0V).
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Ah... that makes sense now that i remember. Propylene Glycol and Ethylene Glycol are organic chemicals.
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post Jun 28 2007, 04:57 PM

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Hey there , long time no see , today i hav another mods for my graphic card(7300gt)
Here`s how i start:
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by bending the fin of a Ati graphic card heat sink for pipe fitting

Here`s the cover maded by aluminium plate
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the cover made to fit exactly nicely into the hsf

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Here`s show the cover been drilled 2 holes for pipe

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Here`s show the pipe been sealed with silicon and attached to hsf using silicon too

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Here`s show the waterblock been locked onto my GPU using the original socket

And here`s the result
GPU Idle : 48C (left for 10minit)
GPU Load : 53C~55C (playing Need For Speed Carbon non-stop for 30minit)
GPU clock: 500mhz
MEM clock:700mhz
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What a dissapointed result...... shakehead.gif

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post Jun 28 2007, 09:45 PM

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Its like that la..anyway said before already, your pump tak kuat wan, some more the whole loop so restictive, cekik the water flow like hell.

I hope you're not planning on running this for longer than a month or so. Because you have both aluminium and copper in the loop its just a disaster waiting to happen-aluminium will be corroded off and deposted on the copper.

Like this
http://www.dansdata.com/burning.htm

And if I'm just too damn free, I could make and upload a video of a the came chemical process happening in just a few minutes (accelerated by using an increased concentration of the metals involved).
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post Jun 28 2007, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE
I hope you're not planning on running this for longer than a month or so. Because you have both aluminium and copper in the loop its just a disaster waiting to happen-aluminium will be corroded off and deposted on the copper.

Like this
http://www.dansdata.com/burning.htm


OMG... but i dont understand wat it mean by - galvanic corrosion...
it seems like corrision of some acidic substance to me.
and it looks like he dint put any coolant inside the water, could it be the cause of the galvanic corrosion?

if my vga waterblock also happen, i dont want to use WC ANYMORE!!!!! icon_question.gif will support air cooling
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post Jun 28 2007, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 28 2007, 11:17 PM)
OMG... but i dont understand wat it mean by - galvanic corrosion...
it seems like corrision of some acidic substance to me.
and it looks like he dint put any coolant inside the water, could it be the cause of the galvanic corrosion?

if my vga waterblock also happen, i dont want to use WC ANYMORE!!!!! icon_question.gif will support air cooling
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galavanic corrosion is not due to liquid content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion
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post Jun 29 2007, 12:00 AM

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Correct. It is not directly caused by the liquid, but the presence of different metals in a watercooling loop that uses a liquid that can conduct electricity. I'm not trying to scare you here, but I have to point it out to you before something happens like corrosion blocking the water flow or causing the system to leak.

Water cooling sets where only a single metal is used will not suffer from galvanic corrosion (not noticable at by all accounts). In your case, you'll need to isolate the metals from each other by coating the surfaces that are in contact with water (eg varnish) or use a non conductive liquid.


Added on June 29, 2007, 12:04 amCoolant will slow down galvanic corrosion, but it will still happen unless you use a lot (which will f*** up cooling performance as it will slow down flow rate).

Don't give up now, your idea has truly been 1 of a kind..there are ways to solve the problems, keep trying. icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by lohwenli: Jun 29 2007, 12:06 AM
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TS, you are indeed very very creative. What should i say, 1st ever in LYN. notworthy.gif

This r my suggestions, get a better Rad and use a stronger pump, tats all.
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post Jun 29 2007, 01:25 PM

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Bro TS... this is the problem that some beginner WC'ers assume and then turn back to air cooling. Galvanic corrosion is not because of water cooling. it is because u mix incompatible metals, which in this case, is copper and aluminium. Over time, the aluminium in the loop will get corroded by copper until you burst a hole right thru in one of the aluminium components. You learn this in chemistry in your school.
This is why manufacturers always make sure they use compatible metals in the same loop; like for example, copper, brass, and nickel are fine together. copper and aluminium are not. However, you still see some companies mixing them, but they plate it stuff like gold(zalman), zink+cobalt(swiftech), and also anodizing. But, none of these are guaranteed to prevent corrosion coz once there is a tiny hole in the plating or anodizing, you have already opened room for corrosion. Plating is more reliable as claimed by some manufacturers.

Nevertheless, this has been a good learning experience for you.
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post Jun 30 2007, 12:23 PM

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is that copper .. or aluminium wor o_O
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QUOTE(alcatell @ Jun 30 2007, 08:21 AM)
comeon guy giv this dude experimental first before shout out the  theory... let him experimental everything first then one day he will know and by that time he already knew how to solve the prob...TS u really have a talent and  how about try finding a copperplate/block and make one urself and i guess u may venturing to the world of phase change which is totally easy only it just cost u electricity more

my wc system which consist of cu block +alu rad+some a bit rad collant i running a it for years and every 6 month i clean the wc block and dun find any corrosion in it ..the temp still the same as fresh as i bought it

so my advice.. TS keep on research n experimenting
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I myself said is was certainly creative for the TS to do this, and I applauded him for that.

I think u mixed up phase change and TEC(peltier) cooling. I believe what you are referring to 'using electricity' is TEC(Peltier).

It is the aluminium parts that get corroded mind you, that is your radiator. And then they get deposited on the copper block. Maybe you don't notice the deposits on the copper block because you empty your loop frequently. You don't notice corrosion doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it's probably slower. I don't encourage tempting fate and the laws of science. The old swiftech waterblock that had an anodized aluminium top was known to have visible corrosion within 18 months despite running coolants.

In the case where you have an aluminium radiator along with other copper components, worst case scenario, what will happen is on the inside of the aluminium radiator is it will continue to corrode the aluminium tubing walls until one day you have a hole(or holes) in the radiator.

While I applaud the TS for this project, I still don't advice running copper and aluminium in the same loop for a long term. I'm just giving advice to be cautious, not to discourage anyone.

Cheers.
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wah lau... TS respect notworthy.gif from us... u r indeed very very very creative although the craftmanship is so so, but 'U r da man!'... dun stop, maybe u can get some copper plater n start wif some new ideas...

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post Jul 1 2007, 05:19 PM

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so if i change all cooper to aluminium would it continue to corrode?
it means the WC is all aluminium without any cooper but with coolant.would it continue?

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