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post Feb 20 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Feb 20 2019, 11:18 AM)
My Sorento is quoted as CKD, but many told us it's actually SKD only very few parts were fitted here in Kulim.  So the quality is quite solid, very much like European car not the squeeky Jap cars.
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My last Hyundai (Accent ) has left me a bad taste in my mouth....I am always also worry about the strong Korean won that only makes (some) parts pricey like European even though I believe the Korean has improved in strides these days.

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post Feb 20 2019, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Feb 20 2019, 09:31 AM)
Ya from the pricing of existing CX-5 (already almost Sorento pricing) my guess is that the CX-8 must add something like at least 30k for the extra 2 seats.  Specs for specs, meaning if a high spec CX-5 petrol 2.5 2WD of RM160k, the CX-8 would at least be 190k.  Still kinda ok as Sorento top spec is about RM178k ish.  Many ppl still prefer Jap than Korean cars.

For me I just went straight and bought myself a Sorento FL 2.2D AWD few mths ago.

If my guess is right, which would mean the CX-8 2.2D AWD would cost at least RM174k + 30k = 205k still below the RM220k many predicted.  Crucially, all CX-8 has no 3rd A/C vents and no MRCC sad.gif
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Hmm...I dont think the gap between the lowest spec to high spec is just 190k vs 205k. Furthermore they want to introduce 4 variants. It should be like 190K, 200K, 210K & 220K.
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post Feb 21 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Hizami_83 @ Feb 20 2019, 09:18 PM)
Hmm...I dont think the gap between the lowest spec to high spec is just 190k vs 205k. Furthermore they want to introduce 4 variants. It should be like 190K, 200K, 210K & 220K.
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Well, at the moment the CX5 2.5 petrol is already a high-spec version, then above it is the 2.2D 2WD then 2.2D 4WD version, gap is 15-17k in these specs. Ya I do agree that if CX-8 is going to have 4 models from 7 seats to 6 seats, petrol to diesel, the gap will be widened but if Mazda overdo it, they are going to price themselves to a no-man-land. 30k gap across 4 models is a bit hard to swallow for the potential buyers wink.gif

Afterall this is just guessing work, even if Mazda has proper pricing it will be subjected to Govt's approval as well. Good luck to those interested wink.gif


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post Feb 22 2019, 08:33 AM

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https://themalaysianreserve.com/2019/01/30/...-sales-decline/

2018 was a good year where Mazda gain market share and has big jump in sales in Malaysia due to new CX5

Will 2019 conrinue it's strides with CX8?
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post Feb 22 2019, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 22 2019, 08:33 AM)
https://themalaysianreserve.com/2019/01/30/...-sales-decline/

2018  was a good year where Mazda gain market share and has big jump in sales in Malaysia due to new CX5

Will 2019 conrinue it's strides with CX8?
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Personally I don't think CX8 can do that.

The new Mazda3 and the upcoming new CX3 will out sell the CX8.
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post Feb 22 2019, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 22 2019, 08:37 AM)
Personally I don't think CX8 can do that.

The new Mazda3 and the upcoming new CX3 will out sell the CX8.
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mazda 3 was quite ok on sales due to CKD, price and features available considering its price. time factor also bcz civic has not launch when mazda 3 here.
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post Feb 22 2019, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 22 2019, 08:37 AM)
Personally I don't think CX8 can do that.

The new Mazda3 and the upcoming new CX3 will out sell the CX8.
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Mazda saw its volume jumped 66.8% from 9,454 units to 15,765.....BAuto’s success story was largely driven by the new CX-5, which was launched in October 2017 according to the report

I believe big sales numbers comes mostly from SUV then segment C these days. Moreover CX3 is not CKD (while the planned CX8 are) and have to be sourced from Thailand. Historical both 3 and CX3 are selling only so so here in Malaysia. While I am not discounting these two new models' potential, I will bet more in CX8 since it has CKD pricing advantage, it is in a less competitive 7 seater SUV market and potentially stealing some would be premium brand shoppers.

Mazda in 2018 has knock down both BMW and Mercedes in terms of market share according to the same article...

"Mazda strode two steps upwards to the sixth position in market share rank, relegating the country’s leading premium brands Mercedes-Benz and BMW one rank down to the seventh and eighth positions respectively."

I bet CX8 is well positioned to do more of that.
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post Feb 22 2019, 09:14 AM

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Isnt the suv shape will kill the 3rd row leg space?
Toyota will be happy nobody gonna compete with their velfire and alphard
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post Feb 22 2019, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(riezzien @ Feb 22 2019, 09:14 AM)
Isnt the suv shape will kill the 3rd row leg space?
Toyota will be happy nobody gonna compete with their velfire and alphard
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SUV leg room of course by default will be more challenging than MPV.

But I don't think that is the market that CX8 intends to after?!
Price point one is from RM362k , another from RM443k, they are not in the same league. (Unless you are talking about the grey imports)

The closest match from Toyota is actually harrier but no third row.
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post Feb 22 2019, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(riezzien @ Feb 22 2019, 09:14 AM)
Isnt the suv shape will kill the 3rd row leg space?
Toyota will be happy nobody gonna compete with their velfire and alphard
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SUV is the in thing right now for cars, the market has new found fondness to SUV.

Those that shop for SUV are not into minivans like the velfire/alphard/estima.
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post Feb 22 2019, 08:29 PM

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-to-malaysians/

...The Mazda CX-8 will be sold in Malaysia at a price that will be between RM180,000 to RM195,000.....

BIAR BETUL
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post Feb 23 2019, 10:19 AM

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http://www.theborneopost.com/2019/02/23/ma...positive-start/

...AffinHwang Capital noted that most non-national carmakers saw a y-o-y decline in sales volume for 1M19.

However, Mazda was the “star performer” in 1M19, clocking in 1,600 units (up 23.5 per cent y-o-y), thanks to the popular demand for the revamped CX-3 and CX-5.

“We learnt that backlog for Mazda vehicles stood at 2,500 units as at end February 2019.....

That IS the SUV power from Mazda. So far no one come close.
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post Feb 27 2019, 01:32 PM

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https://www.carlist.my/news/not-gona-be-che...mw-level/54846/


HOLY COW . New Mazda 3 sold at BMW 3 series pricing. News from down under.



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post Feb 27 2019, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 27 2019, 01:32 PM)
https://www.carlist.my/news/not-gona-be-che...mw-level/54846/
HOLY COW . New Mazda 3 sold at BMW 3 series pricing. News from down under.
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fuh....siao liao....

better buy 2nd hand iif that's the case....

Suddenly feel korean cars even more value for money in the future....
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post Feb 27 2019, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Feb 27 2019, 02:15 PM)
fuh....siao liao....

better buy 2nd hand iif that's the case....

Suddenly feel korean cars even more value for money in the future....
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I am just curious if this is something that Mazda will follow suit in Malaysia, may be not almost up to bimmer's pricing but 17-22% price up

Mazda 3 must be damn good to make Mazda asking such premium pricing from its predecessor.

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 27 2019, 04:14 PM)
I am just curious if this is something that Mazda will follow suit in Malaysia, may be not almost up to bimmer's  pricing but 17-22% price up

Mazda 3 must be damn good to make Mazda asking such premium pricing from its predecessor.
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hopefully bermaz will not cut many features just to get low price in our market
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post Feb 27 2019, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 27 2019, 04:14 PM)
I am just curious if this is something that Mazda will follow suit in Malaysia, may be not almost up to bimmer's  pricing but 17-22% price up

Mazda 3 must be damn good to make Mazda asking such premium pricing from its predecessor.
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For local market mindset, as long as not BMW/Audi/Mercedes, all else not considered premium brand = not worth to pay the premium.

The mazda 6 is the most telling history. When initially launched, the pricing is a slight premium, but the competitors offering weren't attractive, so buyers willing to pay. But after that, when new models/refreshes comes in, the mazda6's sales slowed down pretty much (from what i observed in my area, other places could be opposite of what i'm observing). The facelift did add quite some added "premium-ness", but still ain't moving much.

And to add salt to injury, the market trend is now on the craze of SUVs. If the new platform applied starting from the cx5, then maybe got hope that people can still find some attraction. But on the sedan, it will be really really hard.

Mazda may want to play the market between normal mainline brands and premium market. Could be a smart move, but i'm not optimistic it can turn out well in our market. But toyota also start playing with this space starting with the chr and the new camry, so eventually the market may get used to it.

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 27 2019, 04:16 PM)
hopefully bermaz will not cut many features just to get low price in our market
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Low feature = lower pricing = better take up
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Feb 27 2019, 05:03 PM)
For local market mindset, as long as not BMW/Audi/Mercedes, all else not considered premium brand = not worth to pay the premium.

The mazda 6 is the most telling history. When initially launched, the pricing is a slight premium, but the competitors offering weren't attractive, so buyers willing to pay. But after that, when new models/refreshes comes in, the mazda6's sales slowed down pretty much (from what i observed in my area, other places could be opposite of what i'm observing). The facelift did add quite some added "premium-ness", but still ain't moving much.

And to add salt to injury, the market trend is now on the craze of SUVs. If the new platform applied starting from the cx5, then maybe got hope that people can still find some attraction. But on the sedan, it will be really really hard.

Mazda may want to play the market between normal mainline brands and premium market. Could be a smart move, but i'm not optimistic it can turn out well in our market. But toyota also start playing with this space starting with the chr and the new camry, so eventually the market may get used to it.

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I may be wrong but I thought Mazda 6 did Not sell well because it being CBU, pricing wise, it would have lost by default?

Don't think Malaysian are overall keen with CBU, to pay more premium since it is fully imported is one thing but to pay high import duty is altogether another big no no for many.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 1 2019, 04:37 PM
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post Mar 1 2019, 04:34 PM

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https://www.cars.com/articles/mazda-hints-a...-1420757482468/

Is it not obvious? doh.gif

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post Oct 1 2019, 03:40 PM

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Finally....Open for booking ; 15% to 20% more costlier than CX5....Meaning price is reaching RM200k level.180k to 195 OTR before insurance ?

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