I am sure that Blizzard are aware of what is going on. And they will always be. But probably they are making too much money to even care bout the servers. Its probably peanuts to them. Some Private servers are dedicate towards ethical gaming and provide a wonderfull past time for a lot of the younger generation, people who don earn their own living and probably end up doing drugs and other stuff without them. Just a food for thought.... Not a lot of people can spare a couple of hundred to bucks to buy games when then only get a couple of dollars a day for pocket money!

u r the man, rathishsiva !

Why is it that arrogant bums like you seem to believe that the only frigging past time in the world is computer games? Instead of wasting thousands of Ringgit getting a gaming PC, get a ball and start playing football or go to your local library and borrow their books to read. There are plenty of other hobbies to pick up to avoid getting into drugs, but somehow computer games seem to be the only solution.

I will say this again, if you have a "gaming" PC which costs way more than WC3, how did you afford that then? Hypocrisy at its finest.

Well, thats your opinion.. i fully support the government for taking tough stance on piracy movies rather then softwares/games.. Just imagine, a fully blown Vista costs what? 1k? Where have the kids got that much money? I am no saying i support piracy, what i am saying is that, the choice is up to the individual and i don mind if Microsoft or any other Software house go all out to crack software piracy in Money Making Associations, as , they are making enough money to get all the original stuff.. But if you were to force everybody to buy Original... I doubt there will ever be a Bill Gates born in our country.. Cause i was fortunate enought to be give exposure at a very young age and that is what young poeple need..

And FYI, I am not an arrogant bum as you mentioned... I can afford to buy my ORI softwares ( Games in this matter ) and will do so... Depends on the software and the satisfaction it provides...

Imagine telling a 10 year old kid this " Son, you go the the national libary to read ok? I cannot buy DOTA for you? Too expensive la son "

Good luck in explaining to your son... And nobody was talking bout any gaming pc, even a pentium 3 could run games and a decent Pc, even the one which is being advertised in the landing page of this portal costs what? RM290? And Warcraft 3 costs what? Rm 200? DUH!!! Go figure dude...
Its all bout learning curve, if you don try, you can never learn.. Even playing games helps in developing your reflex and keeps your mind sharp.. and this is a proven study... If you wanna go and play football, go ahead... even that is pretty expensive nowadays dude..

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Added on August 21, 2007, 12:13 amhehehe.. thanks dude..

This post has been edited by rathishsiva: Aug 21 2007, 12:13 AM

Drugs addiction as cover. Yeah, the most repetitive excuse I had ever heard. Anything new?


Gaming is a luxury not a necessity. If you can't afford it, then do other cheaper things to past time

i support legal games. i do not think paying monthly for legal games for cc operation is very ethical. i heard theres no such nonsense in europe.. at least in france. in fact, they get sponsored by software companies to promote their games in cc.

blizzard does care about earning money only. so they dont really bother making operators happy.. malaysia is probably a small market to them, they probably happy with what smm is doing?

yeah thats the main point here, its all about ethical business.
rathishsiva you can open a new thread to defend gaming for all you care but we are addressing a different issue which has little impact on end users like you. Please don't derail the topic

Look, that was in response to your idea that computer games are the ONLY way for kids to have fun. If I was going to say you're too cheap for using ori, then I'd call you something else
Ok, how's about you replace the word "DOTA" with something like "Golf", "Yachting", "Astro" or "Board Games". Would you then make a call that all these other "hobbies" become accessible to parents of 10 year olds all over the world just because they're fun?

I mean, when I was 10, I didn't have DOTA... Guess what? I had fun with other things.

Like I said earlier, Dota isn't everything and so this "Do anything for Dota attitude" is just childish and selfish.
Learning curve? Learning curve for what?

And last I checked, it didn't cost hundreds of Ringgit to get a simple football.

Monthly operational fees for CC operations is perfectly fine since the games are being used to make a profit. Steam does it and every other CC games licensor in Malaysia does it as well. Its the same rational used when justifying the monthly fees for an MMO.

Its only when this cost is levied for something that isn't even legal.

As for Blizzard caring, the only way they could possible be happy about this is if SMM gives them a cut of the monthly fee they charge for BS (Which is very unlikely)

I don't see this being perfectly fine since many other countries don't have such payment scheme for cc operations. Googled blizzard monthly fee cybercafe don't show me much results except...

Some stuff Rathishiva said is pretty true..... like the learning curve part



altho i couldn't really get what he's trying to imply by saying this.... unless he means he doesn't own legal wc3 =/

I quoted Steam as an example of a monthly payment scheme for cc operation.

Anyway, it is common practice to charge monthly for a product that is used to generate profit rather than just for personal use. Same reason why clubs and entertainment places have to pay a regular fee to use copyrighted music and videos that is used for business purposes and they can't just say "Hey, I bought the product for myself, I can do anything I want with it"

You are looking at countries where generally speaking, gaming cyber cafes (AKA LAN Centres) are not as popular as here since LAN parties are held at a larger scale together with the relatively higher penetration level of broadband and PC ownership.

Anyway, I still don't get what he meant by "learning curve". What exactly is he referring to?

This post has been edited by H@H@: Aug 21 2007, 11:23 AM

train finger muscles i guess lol

In countries like in US or Taiwan, they do not charge via monthly subscription. They will ask you to pay the game for commercial use in 1 go or monthly/quarterly until full amount is payed. Once full amount payed, you can still use them for commercial use. But in Malaysia, charges is monthly based. Game titles are 'rent' to you but once you canceled the subscription, you need to return every game titles to them else it will deduct from your deposit. In the end, there is no sales happened before except for the subscription fees which I'm proud to say is the most expensive Blizzard license in the world. Yeah I did a comparison with US and Taiwan, they are not even near to SMM's draconian subscription charges. Anyway the charges is not really a big issue here, my concern is about milking money via accessing private servers
Anyway I can get someone within UMNO to voice this out in parliament - 'gejala tak sihat cybercafe' and butcher off this business field once and for all but this move very suicidal.

This post has been edited by strace: Aug 21 2007, 11:52 AM

Agreed with strace, plus, in US and Taiwan, if they were to have these monthly subscription thing, they'd be screaming, but anyway, they or at least in USA, they earn a lot more than we do.

In any case, I made this topic is more concerning earning $ off these rogue servers.

H@H@: Learning curve, not sure if its the wrong term, but anyway it does develop your mind and reflex in certain ways.

wow this thread has become a serious thread with all this discussions.

I know what learning curve means, but what the hell was he saying it for? Is he implying that I don't play games and that I suck at them and therefore am talking through my ass about this?

serious cos we want to nail them

Any of here running CC in Malaysia? My friend paying SMM RM3,000 monthly for 60 PCs with 1 Original Warcraft CD supply monthly..!!! SMM is making huge $$$$ from all CC within Malaysia. Any idea about it?

They 'lend' the Warcraft CD to you. You need to return them back if you stop your business operation. Anyway, please inform the SMM HQ about this, maybe the agent in your area is one of those lazy arse type.

Funny thing also, I heard they didn't approve DotA for WCG.... but they approved Wc3... I thought DotA is a free custom map?

DotA is a free custom map, that is partially why it wasn't approve for WCG lol

Yeap, they're not supposed to do that. They could've done it on the grounds that its using WC3, but since that's in use, it seems rather stupid. A good lawyer can actually cut the bullshit in this case as SMM is lying through their ass.

CS was a free mod and it was used in WCG heavily. Don't think anybody needed to pay royalties to anyone for that.