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post Jan 9 2019, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 9 2019, 05:33 PM)
First of all thanks for the clarification. Many jargon are being used in the reply thus I am asking question instead of taking things out of context just to prove my point. I re read my post and there isn't any.

Now I finally get the picture as a whole on what is the word "sustainability" that can affecting a life policy.

the question of 3100 vs 1500, however, I still cant figure it out based on the scenario you given. Isn't the 3100 is fixed? Why there is 1500? Where did this number come from? And I think people choose sustainability option is because they don't want the policy to drag that long? thus the point to continue the policy isn't there? If one need the policy to be life, its a no brainer to take it up to 100 y.o with a fixed premium thru out the policy years?

For ILP, if one doesn't mind to pay premium up to the chosen sustainability year, is the cash value in the account will still accumulate instead of the common "pay 10 year get 20 years" thing? As all this is actually taking the cash from what you contributed? Many people I think they miss this. And many agent doesn't even bother to explain this.

And regarding investment link, I myself faced the problem once. Still remember the 07/08 crisis? Yea, during that time my education policy is still running. They sent a letter to my parent mentioned that crisis cause their fund performance drop and expected the dividend to be low. That time my parent wasn't know how the thing is going behind the scene, they have no knowledge of investment and insurance. NAV, total return, dividend all are very bombastic thing to them. They don't know that NAV is actually more important then dividend pay-out as dividend is nothing when in unit trust, or something that fluctuate. Thus, the NAV drop, partial of the premium paid were gone due to bad market and over 20 years, we got exactly the same amount how much premium we paid with extra around 1000 MYR? Isn't that sound really bad to you guys? We earn nothing besides the saving. But the agent that time inform nothing, said nothing. I asked my parent and only got to know the agent they met is part timer..... And the fund they invest in is sort of stable fund? The return shall around 4-6% p.a. I don't know what is actually happening but this got struck me a lot.

And the point you had that regarding commission..... Majority I got the feedback is this, actually. How many out there are really committed to their job and being honest?

I really appreciated all the input you guys made. 

Thanks!
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the question of 3100 vs 1500, however, I still cant figure it out based on the scenario you given. Isn't the 3100 is fixed? Why there is 1500? Where did this number come from? And I think people choose sustainability option is because they don't want the policy to drag that long? thus the point to continue the policy isn't there? If one need the policy to be life, its a no brainer to take it up to 100 y.o with a fixed premium thru out the policy years?

I wouldn't know where he plucks the figure from as comparison.

taking a lifetime policy is not cheap I must admit that, to sustain such policy, you have to pay 2 - 3x of the amount you're paying for a regular investment link policy, i.e Traditional policy which is guaranteed.

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For ILP, if one doesn't mind to pay premium up to the chosen sustainability year, is the cash value in the account will still accumulate instead of the common "pay 10 year get 20 years" thing? As all this is actually taking the cash from what you contributed? Many people I think they miss this. And many agent doesn't even bother to explain this.

I will usually take my time to explain this to my clients so they don't get conned by agents who tries to sell cheap premium to get the customer to sign up without understanding how investment link policy work.

And yes you're right, the insurance company basically slowly deplete your cash value slowly to offset the insurance charges overtime if the investment doesn't grow or the insurance charges increases higher than your premium contribution + investment growth.

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And regarding investment link, I myself faced the problem once. Still remember the 07/08 crisis? Yea, during that time my education policy is still running. They sent a letter to my parent mentioned that crisis cause their fund performance drop and expected the dividend to be low. That time my parent wasn't know how the thing is going behind the scene, they have no knowledge of investment and insurance. NAV, total return, dividend all are very bombastic thing to them. They don't know that NAV is actually more important then dividend pay-out as dividend is nothing when in unit trust, or something that fluctuate. Thus, the NAV drop, partial of the premium paid were gone due to bad market and over 20 years, we got exactly the same amount how much premium we paid with extra around 1000 MYR? Isn't that sound really bad to you guys? We earn nothing besides the saving. But the agent that time inform nothing, said nothing. I asked my parent and only got to know the agent they met is part timer..... And the fund they invest in is sort of stable fund? The return shall around 4-6% p.a. I don't know what is actually happening but this got struck me a lot.
I would blame lack of training to the agents back then compared to the present time in terms of financial training provided to educate the market. I believe more and more agents are getting better educated right now to meet the market demand of a good financial adviser.

Still there will be bad apples within the bunch because of greed, ego and etc.

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And the point you had that regarding commission..... Majority I got the feedback is this, actually. How many out there are really committed to their job and being honest?

It's really dependent on your luck and fate with a good agent. Can't blame anyone for that, life insurance is still a product bought based on relationship. Majority still buys from their own relative / friends even if they're new in the industry compared to someone who is knowledgeable but whom you may not know at all.

It's a matter of preference I suppose for different individual on who should be their insurance agent.
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post Jan 11 2019, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(xk2 @ Jan 10 2019, 11:25 PM)
Hi guys, want to ask if my son was diagnostic got influence A, can we claim back the medical
Bill ? My son are not warded. Just visit kid specialist clinic.

We are having great eastern smart medic medical card.
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You may need to check with your respective insurance company on this whether it can be claimed or via ur agent for more info.

QUOTE(af_1993 @ Jan 11 2019, 06:24 AM)
Hi would love to get the forummers advice here
My mom has taken prudential flexi med for me for quite sometime. Do you think its a good idea to replace the insurance? Ive been checked that AIA A Life Link 2 is quite good. Prudential montly is Rm300+ while AIA is RM200+
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that depends on your existing coverage and what you're getting for moving into a new policy, what are you also losing out as well.

you'll need to be more detailed if you want to get proper insight or advise.
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post Jan 11 2019, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 11 2019, 10:12 AM)
My point is that is ILP the new trend nowadays? Because every insurance agency promoting ILP life no tomorrow. I have no objection on what the promote. What I don't like is that most of them don't bother to explain clearly on the T and C...

Is non-ILP have cash value too? Agent told me no. I doubt.

Honestly speaking, what do you think the offer from etiqa person?
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ILP is the trend nowadays as it's more profitable to the insurance company.

Regards to T&C, it depends on how transparent is the agent willingly to explain to you.

non-ILP a.k.a Traditional policy has cash value and they're normally Guaranteed dependent on the product feature compared to ILP which is non-Guaranteed.

Regards to the etiqa policy that was quoted, for the coverage and the amount of premium he's paying, I think it's a fair policy.
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post Jan 13 2019, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 13 2019, 12:08 PM)
just checking with you.......last week I had a brief encounter with my friend.....
he mentioned that his son was admitted to a hospital and had a surgery........
it was something like pancreas covering the liver (sort of like that).....
he mentioned that it was a "heaven born" (Chinese translation)...natural occurrence....
thus his insurance does not cover that "heaven born".....

is it true that natural occurance are not covered by insurances? notworthy.gif
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Pre existing is not covered in this case since its congenital unless your doctor diagnoses it differently
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post Jan 14 2019, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 13 2019, 08:49 PM)
hmm.gif just for discussion sake....
this pre existing thing......
does it has a duration before it is NOT classified as pre existing?

example....if his son is 1 yrs old, 15 yrs old or 25 yrs old....... does age matters? any different?

hmm.gif example....at what age will then, having cancer.....will not be classified as pre existing? thus covered by insurance?
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few factors will be considered on the severity of the ailment, complications, medication taken, any surgery, impact on day-to-day activity and etc.

There is no specified duration, I have my clients who had cancer 10 years ago who got medical card approved but excluded for any cancer.


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post Jan 14 2019, 10:57 AM

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A simplified version would be

Congenital = defects that you're born with while you're in your mother's womb.

Pre-existing = defects that you've been diagnosed with in your day-to-day life

Technically if you've not known that you have a pre-existing illness before an insurance claim, you are eligible for the claim (of course sometimes insurance company maybe skeptical and would like to investigate further before paying out, hence your initial claim maybe rejected until further investigation).

It's simple, if you've been healthy all these while and you've never been hospitalized or you've done your regular check up and everything is normal, you're categorized as a healthy standard person.

If your parents told you that you had something while you're young / baby or you've went to the hospital for something major (operation / diagnosis) then you should declare accordingly of what had been told to you, to the insurance agent to properly declare it.

Add on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_defect

You can read more about congenital birth in the link above.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jan 14 2019, 11:01 AM
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post Jan 14 2019, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(cevest @ Jan 14 2019, 10:45 PM)
OK on this pre-existing illness thing, I have a few questions.

1. If I have a slipped disc and I declared it at the time of proposal, it's still on going without much going on, how would my policy be underwritten?

2. So later during the coverage period I need medical attention, is this covered?

3. Say you have a different slipped disc later in life during coverage, this doesn't count as pre-existing illness yes? They are not the same disc!
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1. Exclusion, depending on the whole spine or specific area of the spine

2. No, depending on the exclusion clause

3. Depends on exclusion clause
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post Jan 15 2019, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 15 2019, 03:03 PM)
My friend make a claim with supporting submitted.

The insurance company said some of the billing is unreasonable so they deduct here and there from the total billing

From 16,722  reduce to 12,583.00

The policy did highlighted reasonable but  this open for insurance company self define

Where can I go for this?

Thank you
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You may write in to the insurance company to debate on it and get what you think it's fair. If you're still unhappy you may file a complaint to LIAM cc BNM. If you are still unhappy with the outcome from BNM, you may file your legal suit against the insurance company for any outstanding.
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post Jan 15 2019, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 15 2019, 03:25 PM)
Thank you.

Have you done the above? What was the outcome?

Should I  Viral this insurance company for try to undercut me? I dont mind at the end not getting that 25% balance. My intention is just to teach them a lesson.
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nope, never, you may look into court archive for any reference with insurance company.

no point viral in facebook, unless you want to embarrass yourself when it's open to public debate, i.e some dude was trying to viral that the insurance policy cheating him some time ago and got backfired when it's clearly stated within the policy and got shamed by the general public.

unless you don't mind to take your time to paste all facts and info about yourself, your policy details, official letters/replies from the insurance company, posting just evidence favorable to you is just one sided in the social media. Which is the usual case in order to proof that you're "Right" and the other party "Wrong".

End of the day you won't gain anything other than your ego, should the insurance company find what you're doing is of nature of defamation (spreading lies), they can always take legal action against you for what you're intending to start a wildfire in the social media.

or you can always settle it quietly by talking and reasoning. I'm sure your friend is a reasonable person.
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post Jan 17 2019, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(abanganggur @ Jan 17 2019, 12:32 AM)
may i ask, for life insurance

if i miss out to declare some pre existing condition, eg, some major operation done more than 30 years ago, will my death claim still be valid if my policy had pass contestability period
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there may be a risk on your claim being void if there is a ground to contest your claims even if it's after the incontestability period.

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post Jan 17 2019, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(90929155 @ Jan 17 2019, 10:30 PM)
Hi, can I upgrade my insurance coverage to overseas?
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You can depending if the higher plan offers benefit that covers overseas. Otherwise buy a travel insurance if you're travelling temporary.

If you're there permanently then it's advisable to buy a local insurance in that country
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QUOTE(abanganggur @ Jan 18 2019, 01:08 AM)
is there anything i can do now?
also, anywhere i can read more about incontestability period? google result not really helpful.
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If you read back to your policy book

QUOTE(bm_kia @ Jan 18 2019, 10:10 AM)
Hi, can AIA agents here advise when is the Online Payment gonna be fixed? Tried for the past few days & disappointed to see it's down for maintenance
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You can do online transfer via mbb or pbb

QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ Jan 18 2019, 11:00 AM)
Hi, found medisavers insurance that provide high coverage. Issit safe and valid company since MXM is a mlm company? Even the medisavers insurance itself follows mlm scheme?
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Safe since its underwritten by an insurance company, just run by mlm company

QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Jan 18 2019, 12:30 PM)
anyone here can suggest insurance package for baby?

Required:
Medical
Hospitalisation
Life and PA
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Budget 200 to 250 should be okay
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QUOTE(hal5586 @ Jan 18 2019, 07:28 PM)
I have a question.
Recently my application for mrta was rejected due to medical reason. I declared the condition during medical checkup for the mrta. The thing is I found out about it few years back and few specialist that I went to said it's not life threatening and I don't even to do anything about it.
If I apply for new policy in future, will it be rejected due to this reason to ? 

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Depends on the severity, I don’t know what illness you have, probably will need to see what can still be salvaged from ur condition after looking at ur documents
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QUOTE(mycolumn @ Jan 20 2019, 08:12 PM)
I'm totally new with these insurance stuff, so I have a few questions to ask.

I'm planning to get a medical card. Is medical card the same as hospitalization?

Should I get a standalone medical card? It does seem cheaper compared to investment-linked medical card. What is the main difference other than the cost to pay per year?

Btw, which insurance provider would you recommend for me to go for?

Thanks!
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Yes medical care is for hospitalization usage which you can claim if you got hospitalized

Benefit of taking an investment link over standalone in the long term is the hassle free to manage your insurance in the long term. Insurance is meant to take long term anyway, not just a period of 1 year or 2


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post Jan 21 2019, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 21 2019, 08:14 AM)
Hi , I am a young working adult, just started working < 1year.

Company do provide an AIA corporate medical card, but I am not sure on the full coverage. E.g accidents, critical illnesses, etc.

I am not sure if the plan is a general plan, or do I need to top up myself? If I do, can I claim for both if I have overlapping insurances?
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Company insurance is normally dependent on what the director bought for their staffs, sometimes it's just a minimal amount of insurance, other times it could be more than enough. But chances are if you're a low - mid level executive, your coverage will not be enough if you're just depending on your company insurance alone.

You may ask for your HR to reveal your grade coverage within the company.

For medical (hospitalization) you can't claim from both side unless it's been fully utilized, example would be if your company only covers 30k for insurance and you need to claim 50k, you can claim the 30k with your company's insurance and the 20k balance with your personal insurance.

However, you can make claim from both your company and personal insurance if it's a death, disability or critical illness
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 21 2019, 09:48 AM)
I see, as I am still at my teens, Would it be advisable to purchase, a PA plan, a medical card and critical illnless coverage with term insurance?
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that depends on your budget, basic coverage should get medical first before others
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QUOTE(mycolumn @ Jan 21 2019, 09:50 PM)
hmm, im interested with the other benefits under investment-linked policy. May i know what are some of the benefits?
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Beside medical riders benefit

You may add on
Death and disability
Critical illness
Waiver of premium
Hospital income
Personal accident
And other riders
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QUOTE(kentloonghh @ Jan 22 2019, 12:52 AM)
Hi guys, I don’t understand why ILP is better....majority of the fund returns is actually average 4-5%. If based on average 4-5% return, high possibility that the fund will be empty by age 70, some by 65. After that you have to pay for high COI for your life insurance + medical card. For life insurance of 100k the COI could be 3k and medical card is around 5k. At the end you would be paying more than standalone medical card because of the additional life insurance cost. Is my assumption correct?

Plus you have no choice but to continue paying higher premium for life in order to keep the medical card alive, kinda like a trap...?
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It's not about the fund return rather it's on the benefit that you're getting for yourself as an overall insurance coverage.

Whether the funds can sustain itself is based on projection, costing is always a factor in the long run to sustain the business including the up and down in the economy.

No company out there will give you a guarantee that the return is fixed, even the banks and will hit your projected return unless its a traditional policy

QUOTE(kentloonghh @ Jan 22 2019, 07:36 AM)
Actually most ILP plan won’t be able to last until 80....fund returns supposed to be one of the selling point of ILP right..
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Not necessary, the cash value is not always the selling point, some policy can be running on a bare minimum it sustain itself without generating a lot of cash value. Mainly to cover on the life insurance charges in the long run. If you want more cash value but at the same time a high insurance coverage then be sure to pay a high premium for it.

You basically get what you paid for.

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QUOTE(hal5586 @ Jan 22 2019, 10:18 AM)
actually it's gallstones. Was detected during medical checkup few years back. During annual checkup, the size didn't grow and based on the specialist assessment it's not that serious, and recommend to just leave it. 2 other specialist that i went to also gave the same recommendation.
I declare it during the medical checkup for my mrta, and when i checked with the insurer the reason given was untreated gallstones. Now i'm left with a home loan without mrta.

So will it actually impact any future policies that i will take up ?

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Gallstone normally shouldn't be an issue except that it will probably be excluded if you apply for a medical insurance. For life insurance, it won't impact.
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QUOTE(Jdite @ Jan 24 2019, 11:24 AM)
Hi, Is Critical illness important?

A GE agent quoted me a Life Insurance with a rider for CI, which costs ~90 per month extra.
As far as I understand, CI only pays out when the illness is at advance stage, and for GE, CI is part of the Life's SA.
Isit worthwhile to pay RM90 extra per month just for that 'early payout'? As IMO, when your illness is at advance stage, the survival rate is also relatively low..
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Critical Illness is quite important, I've customers who suffered cancer and good thing is there is payout from the CI benefit to buffer the living cost while going through daily life.

You may not want to be the lottery winner when it comes to critical illness that strikes all the sudden

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