QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 9 2019, 05:33 PM)
First of all thanks for the clarification. Many jargon are being used in the reply thus I am asking question instead of taking things out of context just to prove my point. I re read my post and there isn't any.
Now I finally get the picture as a whole on what is the word "sustainability" that can affecting a life policy.
the question of 3100 vs 1500, however, I still cant figure it out based on the scenario you given. Isn't the 3100 is fixed? Why there is 1500? Where did this number come from? And I think people choose sustainability option is because they don't want the policy to drag that long? thus the point to continue the policy isn't there? If one need the policy to be life, its a no brainer to take it up to 100 y.o with a fixed premium thru out the policy years?
For ILP, if one doesn't mind to pay premium up to the chosen sustainability year, is the cash value in the account will still accumulate instead of the common "pay 10 year get 20 years" thing? As all this is actually taking the cash from what you contributed? Many people I think they miss this. And many agent doesn't even bother to explain this.
And regarding investment link, I myself faced the problem once. Still remember the 07/08 crisis? Yea, during that time my education policy is still running. They sent a letter to my parent mentioned that crisis cause their fund performance drop and expected the dividend to be low. That time my parent wasn't know how the thing is going behind the scene, they have no knowledge of investment and insurance. NAV, total return, dividend all are very bombastic thing to them. They don't know that NAV is actually more important then dividend pay-out as dividend is nothing when in unit trust, or something that fluctuate. Thus, the NAV drop, partial of the premium paid were gone due to bad market and over 20 years, we got exactly the same amount how much premium we paid with extra around 1000 MYR? Isn't that sound really bad to you guys? We earn nothing besides the saving. But the agent that time inform nothing, said nothing. I asked my parent and only got to know the agent they met is part timer..... And the fund they invest in is sort of stable fund? The return shall around 4-6% p.a. I don't know what is actually happening but this got struck me a lot.
And the point you had that regarding commission..... Majority I got the feedback is this, actually. How many out there are really committed to their job and being honest?
I really appreciated all the input you guys made.
Thanks!
Now I finally get the picture as a whole on what is the word "sustainability" that can affecting a life policy.
the question of 3100 vs 1500, however, I still cant figure it out based on the scenario you given. Isn't the 3100 is fixed? Why there is 1500? Where did this number come from? And I think people choose sustainability option is because they don't want the policy to drag that long? thus the point to continue the policy isn't there? If one need the policy to be life, its a no brainer to take it up to 100 y.o with a fixed premium thru out the policy years?
For ILP, if one doesn't mind to pay premium up to the chosen sustainability year, is the cash value in the account will still accumulate instead of the common "pay 10 year get 20 years" thing? As all this is actually taking the cash from what you contributed? Many people I think they miss this. And many agent doesn't even bother to explain this.
And regarding investment link, I myself faced the problem once. Still remember the 07/08 crisis? Yea, during that time my education policy is still running. They sent a letter to my parent mentioned that crisis cause their fund performance drop and expected the dividend to be low. That time my parent wasn't know how the thing is going behind the scene, they have no knowledge of investment and insurance. NAV, total return, dividend all are very bombastic thing to them. They don't know that NAV is actually more important then dividend pay-out as dividend is nothing when in unit trust, or something that fluctuate. Thus, the NAV drop, partial of the premium paid were gone due to bad market and over 20 years, we got exactly the same amount how much premium we paid with extra around 1000 MYR? Isn't that sound really bad to you guys? We earn nothing besides the saving. But the agent that time inform nothing, said nothing. I asked my parent and only got to know the agent they met is part timer..... And the fund they invest in is sort of stable fund? The return shall around 4-6% p.a. I don't know what is actually happening but this got struck me a lot.
And the point you had that regarding commission..... Majority I got the feedback is this, actually. How many out there are really committed to their job and being honest?
I really appreciated all the input you guys made.
Thanks!
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the question of 3100 vs 1500, however, I still cant figure it out based on the scenario you given. Isn't the 3100 is fixed? Why there is 1500? Where did this number come from? And I think people choose sustainability option is because they don't want the policy to drag that long? thus the point to continue the policy isn't there? If one need the policy to be life, its a no brainer to take it up to 100 y.o with a fixed premium thru out the policy years?
I wouldn't know where he plucks the figure from as comparison.
taking a lifetime policy is not cheap I must admit that, to sustain such policy, you have to pay 2 - 3x of the amount you're paying for a regular investment link policy, i.e Traditional policy which is guaranteed.
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For ILP, if one doesn't mind to pay premium up to the chosen sustainability year, is the cash value in the account will still accumulate instead of the common "pay 10 year get 20 years" thing? As all this is actually taking the cash from what you contributed? Many people I think they miss this. And many agent doesn't even bother to explain this.
I will usually take my time to explain this to my clients so they don't get conned by agents who tries to sell cheap premium to get the customer to sign up without understanding how investment link policy work.
And yes you're right, the insurance company basically slowly deplete your cash value slowly to offset the insurance charges overtime if the investment doesn't grow or the insurance charges increases higher than your premium contribution + investment growth.
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And regarding investment link, I myself faced the problem once. Still remember the 07/08 crisis? Yea, during that time my education policy is still running. They sent a letter to my parent mentioned that crisis cause their fund performance drop and expected the dividend to be low. That time my parent wasn't know how the thing is going behind the scene, they have no knowledge of investment and insurance. NAV, total return, dividend all are very bombastic thing to them. They don't know that NAV is actually more important then dividend pay-out as dividend is nothing when in unit trust, or something that fluctuate. Thus, the NAV drop, partial of the premium paid were gone due to bad market and over 20 years, we got exactly the same amount how much premium we paid with extra around 1000 MYR? Isn't that sound really bad to you guys? We earn nothing besides the saving. But the agent that time inform nothing, said nothing. I asked my parent and only got to know the agent they met is part timer..... And the fund they invest in is sort of stable fund? The return shall around 4-6% p.a. I don't know what is actually happening but this got struck me a lot.
I would blame lack of training to the agents back then compared to the present time in terms of financial training provided to educate the market. I believe more and more agents are getting better educated right now to meet the market demand of a good financial adviser.Still there will be bad apples within the bunch because of greed, ego and etc.
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And the point you had that regarding commission..... Majority I got the feedback is this, actually. How many out there are really committed to their job and being honest?
It's really dependent on your luck and fate with a good agent. Can't blame anyone for that, life insurance is still a product bought based on relationship. Majority still buys from their own relative / friends even if they're new in the industry compared to someone who is knowledgeable but whom you may not know at all.
It's a matter of preference I suppose for different individual on who should be their insurance agent.
Jan 9 2019, 07:26 PM

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