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 Insurance Talk V5!, Anything and everything about Insurance

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post Feb 18 2019, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Xithyl @ Feb 18 2019, 11:56 AM)
The intention of it is purely just based on what agent told me > paid 1 year premium to get the cash reward back which is a total of 18k, let it lapse after that. My point is just purely that. Just wanted to know is what the agent says true or not. If yes, i buy purely just to earn that cash reward, insurance wise i have other planning.
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then my suggestion is, don't buy the insurance at all, it won't benefit you nor will you be able to earn anything out of it. It's just a waste of time.

To the agent who tried to sell you the policy to earn quick bucks and lapse it later, shame on you.
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post Feb 18 2019, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(wiind @ Feb 18 2019, 09:02 PM)
Hi guys, mind to advise estimated premium for a MLTA policy to cover an one million loan? Thanks. notworthy.gif
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Need to know the following details

Age, gender, occupation, smoker or non-smoker
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(wiind @ Feb 18 2019, 09:13 PM)
31, male, software engineer, non-smoker  smile.gif
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estimated RM5.5k yearly
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post Feb 19 2019, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(wiind @ Feb 18 2019, 09:13 PM)
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Since there are 4 different quotes now, bear in mind how ILP works, the minimum amount that you pay will result in your policy lapsing faster or a lower cash value by end of the term

i.e 3k MLTA vs 5.5k MLTA, the 3k will lapse faster / lower cash value by end of the MLTA tenure as compared to the 5.5k.

Just bear in mind on what you're signing up for. Cheaper =/= Better

An add-on you will also have to bear in mind on how long tenure are you paying for your insurance policy whether it's for 5, 10, 20 or full term (whole life) of the policy.



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post Feb 20 2019, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(wiind @ Feb 19 2019, 09:42 PM)
I thought premium will be revised if the generated fund is not enough to cover insurance cost? Mind to elaborate more on ‘lapse faster/lower cash value’?
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No, the premium can be altered to determine how the premium paid will determine the future of your policy.

Some agents in the market will tend to not elaborate on this and assume to propose you a "Cheaper" premium to look more affordable/better than another company but in fact, it has its consequences. I have come across countless agents doing that and in fact it seems to work in convincing their prospects laugh.gif I normally bid them good luck and don't complain in the future against their "friend/agent".

There will be a set of insurance charges involved, if there is not enough funds/contribution by end of the day, the policy will lapse earlier / end with a lower cash value as compared to a policy that you paid for a higher premium.

Insurance policy = you pay for what you get.

You don't expect paying proton price for a BMW coverage without hidden T&C.

QUOTE(basSist @ Feb 19 2019, 09:42 PM)
Bear in mind, the higher amount you pay for ILP the bigger the administration fee (the commission) you have to give.
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The % of the admin charges are fixed.

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post Feb 20 2019, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Feb 20 2019, 10:58 AM)
Is it still possible and advisable to get medical plan before turning 60 years old?
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Medical Plan, if you ask me, is a must, I've seen my friend personally spending a bomb on his medical against Cancer, which easily cost RM20k for a 21 days medication that is just to slow down the spread of the cancer.

Unless you're well funded yourself to pay for your own medical bill i.e 5 - 10 mil ringgit in ur bank account. I'd suggest you get a medical insurance urself.
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post Feb 20 2019, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(dgg_123 @ Feb 20 2019, 08:39 PM)
Need help of Sifus here,

Going to enroll my parents (not me) for medical insurance, however, noticed one thing on the health declaration:

Have any of your parents or sibling ever had or died from cancer including breast cancer, tuberculosis, diabetes, hypertension, stroke, kidney disease, heart disease, multiple sclerosis, mental illness or any other hereditary disease or any AIDS related condition?

To be honest, this is quite ridiculous as you know our parents generation have many siblings and since we doesnt really keep in touch, so its really normal that we don't know their health condition. Plus, given that my grandparents has already passed away quite a years ago (the latest one is 20yrs ago) and back then I was either too small or wasn't even born, I dont even know their cause of death - for example, my father was not even sure which disease that my grandfather had, liver or heart issues. Cant really blame them tough, they didnt even finish their Form 5.

So, sifu-sifus here, if I just tick NO for this declaration, is it ok? Would it even matter in the event of claim?

Dont tell me to ask my agent, I am buying directly from insurance company so I have no agent to serve me.

Thank you.
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Just declare what is known to your knowledge. That is suffice enough.

QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Feb 20 2019, 11:25 PM)
Banker mention about investment linked things also, so I’m curious to know more.
Will go back and ask la if got time if no one here got details
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Yeah just make sure you establish the purpose of you buying such plans for yourself before signing up
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post Feb 21 2019, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Feb 20 2019, 11:55 PM)
Thanks, but still clueless on what the heck it is. And where the “investment thing” the banker mention.
Will just ask the banker later on
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Seems to me that you don’t have any proper planning at the moment or a road map on where you want to head to when you mention no clue about such investment. I would suggest you meet a proper guru if you are serious about your own personal finances.

My 2 cents
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post Feb 21 2019, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Feb 21 2019, 11:31 AM)
Just to clarify, now I know it is a investment linked life insurance. “No clue on the investment linked things” means the details of which fund they gonna go for. There are lot funds etiqa go for such as -Premier Global Equity Fund, Dana Pendapatan Prima, Dana Equity Prima etc.
I need the deeper things. So I can at least check their Fund fact sheet.
Hence I asked here if anyone know better with the sales illustration etc, would love to give it a read on my own time whenever I can instead of spend my fixed limited time waiting and que in the bank. (Which I can, but not prefer to go,
I think everyone understand )
If no one got that, yes I will go to that guy and listen there.
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biggrin.gif okie update us again once you listened to the sales person
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post Feb 21 2019, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(dgg_123 @ Feb 21 2019, 10:30 PM)
Does it even matters if their parents (my great grandparents) had those disease after 60 yrs old or 65 yrs old?

When I signed up for my own medical insurance, the questionnaire specifically asked : below 60/65 yrs old.... (cant remember which already)
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No, normally your parents and siblings only
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post Feb 22 2019, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(wizardofoz @ Feb 22 2019, 12:18 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking for deductible medical insurance with conversion option to 0 deductible upon retirement. Which insurance companies are offering this option?
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hmm.gif i think i heard before in this thread but can't recall what company already. Sorry about that
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post Feb 22 2019, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(goliath @ Feb 22 2019, 12:22 PM)
Question regarding change of agent.

If my agent is no longer in service, how easy is it to change to my new preferred agent?

It's Prudential and I am holding this policy for more than 10 years.

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nope you can't unless the current agent allows you to be transferred to another agent.

if you bought your policy from an agent, the file will auto go to his manger (UM), if the UM is no longer here, it will go to another upline.
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post Feb 23 2019, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(NosaJC @ Feb 22 2019, 11:49 PM)
Hi guys, may i know which plan have the best coverage for critical illness now??
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If you ask me, most CI coverage in the market are pretty standard inrespective of the insurance company that you’re pursuing, the insurance company will sometimes come up with some updated feature after a few years since the launch of the earlier plans just like how medical plan refreshes itself previously from 100k per annum to 1 mil per annum coverage nowadays.

Priority is, how much CI coverage are you looking for yourself and how much can you afford to pay at the moment to purchase such coverage?

Do you have other insurance covered yet before engaging into CI coverage such as medical plan or death/disability benefit?

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post Feb 25 2019, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Feb 24 2019, 12:53 AM)
Possible to claim for the deductibles from another insurance company? This is my company's insurance plan only covers 80%...
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Yes you can

QUOTE(dlttdltt @ Feb 24 2019, 06:05 PM)
How does Aia premium holidays works ? They will deduct your monthly premium from your cash value ?
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post Feb 25 2019, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Feb 25 2019, 04:44 PM)
Hi guys,
i am sure there's a post somewhere that says how much of a % we should allocate for our insurance.

i have this insurance many years back, easily close to 20 i think.

I have never top up before so the coverage, if my memory is correct, should be around Rm100~Rm150k.

Recently my agent been whatapps me asking if i plan to increase, as the guideline he understnd would be 10% of our income.

The plan i have, is definitely <10% of my income.

So is it true that 10% is the guideline? Or there's other factors i should consider as well?
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it's not fixed at 10% of your income, that's just a rough guideline.

In terms of how much insurance you should buy, depends on your priority in life. Some people spend 15%, 20% or 5%, depending on how much they would like to spend on insuring themselves.

Some people spend 10% of their income into insurance but finds that they're still under-insured.
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post Feb 25 2019, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Feb 25 2019, 04:50 PM)
I see. Thanks for the info bro.

The reason why i am pretty reluctant to increase was, i have been paying for close to 20yrs, and i have utilize them zero times.

Granted i would not want to use them if i have a choice, but i felt like its kind of throwing money into sea.

Eventhough it's not alot at Rm300/month..but for RM3.6k per year x 20, it's RM72k already....that's money i can use for alot of things.

So kind of in dilemma.
Added : Also, there's RM150/mth or medical card..never use them for past 20 yrs also. That's another RM36k.

All in all, RM72k + RM36k = RM108k..i can buy a vios with cash and still have over 15k for petrol and modding
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well you don't buy car insurance and hoping to get into accident one day to finally get to claim the car insurance right ? even though every year you can be spending RM1000 for it which you can spend to eat nice dinner buffet and some beer for a few days / weeks.

Thing is, the benefits can't be compared to what you use on a daily basis. Unless the insurance plan is really obselete.

i.e paying 3600/yearly benefit for a RM50,000 payout / annual limit.

Then it's more advisable to keep the money and invest yourself to grow that money.
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post Feb 26 2019, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Feb 26 2019, 09:13 AM)
Yup. THat's what i plan to do 1st. Discuss with my agent. I am 41. So i reckon insurance wont be cheap now lol

Thanks bro!
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Insurance will never go cheaper, unless there is a reduction in medical cost in the market. Good luck
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QUOTE(55665566 @ Feb 26 2019, 12:54 PM)
hi, wan to get suggestion.
my dad is 54 this year. i want to get him a medical card but i believe it will be very expensive by now.
the previous medical card he have have very low annual limit.

do you suggest me to get one for him (around ~4-5k annually) medical card or ask him to go to government hospital in case of emergency?
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its always better to have a medical card to opt for any better treatment option that is available rather than just gov hospital.

and I believe 54 premium is still affordable la, not yet 4k - 5k yet, 2k - 3k is doable.
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QUOTE(55665566 @ Feb 26 2019, 02:43 PM)
Hi , thank you 2 sifus for your advice.

Just 1 thing I don't understand. Why insurance usually comes with life/tpd?
I suppose life/tpd/36ci only benefits your next of kin instead of yourselves.
so i personally do not think it worth the money as you wont be able to use it.

i also dont understand why usually people opt for private instead of gov hospital.
i heard some of the case where the equipment in private hospital is less than gov hospital.
in the end need private reference to gov hosp?

as for the option1,2,3. what is the main different? i suppose this one is 1.1mil per year by A*A.
the only different i see is the deductible? is that important and justifiable for the huge difference in premium?
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insurance doesn't have to come with Life/TPD, you can always opt for term insurance which covers only specific insurance i.e standalone medical card.

As for next of kin benefit, CI and TPD benefit payout is for yourself where you're still alive to use it.

As for private vs gov, choice is your actually, if you prefer only gov hospital, then don't need to buy any medical card at all. Save the premium for a holiday.


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post Feb 26 2019, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(humanbeing99 @ Feb 26 2019, 06:20 PM)
Is there any medical car for high bmi?
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What’s ur height and weight ?

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