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post Sep 19 2019, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(krayzie @ Sep 19 2019, 04:00 PM)
Hi all, I'm in midst of looking for an upgrade for my life insurance but I don't have time to shop around.

I already have a personal life + medical card coverage but I'd like to increase my life insurance coverage and was told it'd cost me +RM150/mo just to top up 100k from my existing policy.

Or alternatively I can get a new investment life policy that cost RM400/mo for 500k+100k (TPD), or RM300+/mo for 500k life.

I'm 31 male non smoke, no illness etc.

The price sounds quite expensive to me but I haven't got the time to look into line-by-line if they'd added irrelevant items into it.

To those that shop around a lot for insurance, is this normal price? Or that it sounds like a lot of stuff has been added into the policy unknowingly?
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hi krayzie. additional 150/month for 100k life+CI sounds kinda on a high side premium. btw whats your occupation?

im not sure what is the life insurance coverage amount you need and until what age you need it to cover you. Assuming you need 500k life insurance (death+TPD), the premium will be 400/month (20 years payment term only), covers up to age 70.
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post Sep 20 2019, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(krayzie @ Sep 19 2019, 08:59 PM)
That's the exact plan i was presented.

I still feel RM400 for 500k+100k TPD till 70y/o coverage seems kinda high.

I'd seen quote on those comparison sites, seems like can get much much cheaper but I'm not sure what's the catch since I haven't had the time to shop around and look into detail.
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hi krayzie,

im just thinking is the RM400/month giving you 500k (life incl TPD) and 100k CI? normally death and TPD is the same amount. maybe you can double check on that?

anyway, you can opt to look into Allianz one whereby premium can be lowered due to coverage term can be set lower. my buddy holocene can help you with that. of course that is if you need that 500k life insurance. if you dont need 500k, of course you dont need to pay that much.

QUOTE(Godek @ Sep 20 2019, 06:24 AM)
Open for both
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okay. hope we can discuss further on that.

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post Sep 22 2019, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Awesome @ Sep 21 2019, 05:17 PM)
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Hi Awesome! Hope my answers clear your doubts above biggrin.gif

regarding Item 3, i will come out with my analysis and show you again.

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post Sep 22 2019, 11:58 AM

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Mr Awesome this is specially for you.

Assuming you are getting a standalone medical plan and an ILP separately (but with the same benefit you attached above). The total premium today will be cheaper (2,694) vs 3,500.

Assuming you will keep the plans until 80 years old and you can earn 6% p.a by your own investment, still in long term, getting the 3,500 will cost cheaper today (referring to NPV). You can see the attachment, buying it all in one will be cheaper than buying it separately (59k vs 62k today’s value).

Of course not all the case will be same because it still based on individual investment return.


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post Sep 27 2019, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(AveoHzq @ Sep 26 2019, 04:26 PM)
Hi insurance experts,
Can anyone suggest/quote me a plan for my followings requirements?
Ive never had any insurance before, only have company medical card. Im not sure if my requirements for insurance is good enough or not.
Do help me notworthy.gif

Im 25, smoker. Married with no kids. Work in office.

Death + TPD RM 300k
CI RM 300k
Can cover me at least until 65 (40 years)

Is there anything else i should add? hmm.gif
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Hi AveoHzq, what you are looking for are the basics - life and CI. Recommend to also have a personal medical card for backup. Other than that, just need to make sure amount is enough to cover will do (very depending on current lifestyle expenses). wink.gif

QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Sep 26 2019, 11:24 PM)
Hi All,

Early of the year i have lower back pain. i asked the GP to write a letter refer me to ortho specialist. i went to Parkcity medical centre for MRI and diagnosed with Sacroiliac joint inflammation and then recovered after few physio, all session outpatient. all the bill was claimed under the medical card (Asia Assistance) provided by my Company.

the same problem seems like keep coming back. if i buy medical card now would it cover this diagnosis ?
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Hi Pain4UrsinZ. This one is up to the underwriter to decide whether to accept your medical card application with no exclusion on your issue. Just have to declare upon submission of medical card application.

QUOTE(joe8489 @ Sep 27 2019, 12:03 PM)
I had been proposed a 'Legacy' cum Life Proposal from AIA to cover up to RM 500k for Death / TPD.

annual premium about RM 7500 with a 20 years payment.

maturity at age 70, coverage until age 70.

apparently upon maturity, i will also be entitled to an estimated Boost / Bonus payment of around RM 0 to RM 450k, on top of whatever inside my Cash Value at that time.

should i survive until maturity (age 70), i will be able to get potentially RM 450k + cash value of between RM 50k to RM 250k.

in between there is extra coverage of overseas CI of RM 250k.

good plan? kindly advice.
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Hi joe8489, most importantly, the basic plan benefit of 500k amount coverage and the term coverage is what you are looking for. Any other benefits in this case (maturity booster, cash value) i will always treat it as a bonus.
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post Sep 29 2019, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(MrB9 @ Sep 27 2019, 05:04 PM)
Hi all ladies gents and sifus,

I'm new and would like to get some advise on which insurance product in market suits my purpose best, in terms of insurance company and term or ILP comparison.
I am looking for a min 500k with 250k CI up to age 80/ 90, male age 31 non-smoker.

Thank you very much.
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Hi MrB9, the annual premium will be 4,500 (20 years payment term). Since you want the coverage until 80/90, term insurance will definitely cost you much more.

In terms of insurance company, do you mean the product between the companies or companies branding or etc?
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post Oct 2 2019, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Oct 2 2019, 03:53 PM)
the medical card is standalone. my concern is like if kena blacklist from the insurance company, or got negative impact on my ccris/ctos
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Hi watabakiu. You dont have to worry on the blacklisting thing. since its a standalone, can just let it lapse without paying the premium (if you really dont want it).

QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 2 2019, 05:27 PM)
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hi yeeck. from what you'd listed, there is 230k of life insurance. for 1) and 2), if the cash bonus can be used to continue the plan, can just leave it as it is. you can consolidate 3) & 4) together (have to double check the comprehensiveness of the Critical Illness coverage in 4) since it is a plan dedicate to cover Critical Illness.
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post Oct 2 2019, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 2 2019, 06:06 PM)
Hi ckdenion,

Obviously the cash bonus for 1 & 2 won't last forever. I've been using the cash bonus to pay for the annual premiums for a few years now, I think it will only last for another year or two. What to do after that?

As for #3, since it's an investment-linked product that I bought when I started working, was thinking to surrender that and pay premiums solely for protection as I can manage my own investments. #4 is the typical CI that covers the standard 36 critical illnesses as far as I remember. If more exact details are needed I will have to look into the policy contract.
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thanks for providing the info, yeeck.

for 1 & 2 if thats the case, you will wanna have the 100k covered elsewhere with lower commitment.

as for 3, i will say it is not for the return (even its an investment-linked, it is not for investment purpose/goal), because i see that you have your medical card in this plan. so to surrender this meaning to say you intend to get this medical card replaced (yea since the card is very old with very low limit)

as for 4, if you have the intention to consolidate the life insurance coverage and get a new medical card as well, just make sure the new plan covers everything you need then you can see which you plan doesn't fulfill your insurance needs then surrender accordingly.
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post Oct 3 2019, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Oct 3 2019, 05:03 PM)
investment link product which comes with medical card, the premium would not increased over the years/age, right?

coz if stand-alone medical card, the premium does increase every few years.
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hi spreeeee. the insurance charges of medical card will increase over age and will also be revised when there's price adjustment. premium has the chances to increase when:-

1. with the existing cash value and premium payable along the way, the policy cannot sustain up until the coverage term.
2. insurance charges within the plan is revised/increased thus causing policy sustainability in 1. cannot be met.
3. missed out your premium payment
4. fund not performing well/lower than projected value.
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post Oct 4 2019, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(jernailrai @ Oct 4 2019, 10:48 AM)
I am looking for a critical illness and life/TPD insurance... should be standalone policies better if are 1 policy.. separate is ok as well... already have medical card... just looking to supplement that... any takers?
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hi jernailrai. Is your medical card currently attached to ILP plan? if yes, then can top up CI and life insurance there. Else yea just get a new policy. of course it also depends what this new life insurance plan is for (in terms of coverage).
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post Oct 7 2019, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Oct 5 2019, 09:21 PM)
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hi Adele,

those that you are concern with are the 3 main things covered in a basic insurance plan. only thing is to come out with the amount you need. if you are keen to know how much to cover, you might wanna do a thorough financial analysis to know exactly how much to buy in this case. reason is to save long term cost by not overspending in premium.

as of the insurance premium going up, i will say irregardless of what plan, insurance charges will definitely go up. whether will premium increase along the way, it still depends on what plan you buy (term vs ILP). and yea premium for ILP is not guaranteed.

QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Oct 6 2019, 05:40 PM)
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hi darksin, let's put it this way. instead of looking whether medical extender is necessary, you might wanna consider that whether 120k is sufficient to cover how much and how long. as of now, guess GE is still running the medical card+extender features. most companies like AIA, Allianz, Pru, Manulife do not have extender feature anymore, they come with straightaway 1 million (minimum) annual limit.
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post Oct 8 2019, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Oct 7 2019, 08:31 PM)
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in your case just go for extender. previously most companies are using this "extender" features to boost the existing medical card limit. now it is so common and since company is revising the medical card benefits, might as well just incorporate into the new medical card annual limit (hence removing the extender). so in this case, GE is still sticking to the current medical plan they have which is using the "extender" features. price difference really not that significant to add that on. so i will recommend that you go for it. wink.gif
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post Oct 13 2019, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Oct 11 2019, 01:57 PM)
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hi Leo, in your case, if you will like to get a non-ILP plan, the only way is to purchase a new one. there's no option to convert your existing plan to non-ILP.

in this case, am i right to say that you will like to have the benefits above in non-ILP plans? for example:
1. standalone medical card
2. non-ILP life insurance that also has accidental death benefit and critical illness payout benefit?
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post Oct 13 2019, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Butcherator @ Oct 12 2019, 04:02 PM)
Have the Pru Flexi Med with Medical Plan and also life coverage. Is it possible to just cancel the medical plan and continue with the life insurance.
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hi Butcherator, yes you can remove the medical card from the plan itself (and maintain the other benefits).

QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 12 2019, 11:06 PM)
What is the pro n con of having ilp-medical plan vs term-medical assuming same medical benefits?
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hi MGM, below is just my opinion/sharing based on what i know about ILP and term medical

ILP
Pro:
1. has the flexibility to add/remove benefits along the way

Con:
1. might seems more expensive in the beginning compared to term plans but in a long run its actually more or less the same (subjective to coverage term that you need and also your existing self-investment possible return rate)


Term
Pro:
1. low premium in the beginning

Con:
1. high premium when ages
2. does not have the flexibility to add benefits that are available in ILP.
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post Oct 18 2019, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(tboonc @ Oct 13 2019, 11:31 PM)
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hi tboonc, yea its possible to get the listed benefits with RM300/month.

QUOTE(nygery @ Oct 14 2019, 03:58 PM)
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hi nygery, the premium is kinda high with the benefits proposed. definitely wont exceed 5k/year with the benefit above. or is it because of your occupation risk?

QUOTE(silver311 @ Oct 17 2019, 11:39 AM)
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hi silver311, are you open to any companies other than Great Eastern and AIA? smile.gif

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post Oct 18 2019, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(sempcc @ Oct 18 2019, 04:47 PM)
Hi,
I have come across this PRUmy child plus insurance from this link -- https://www.prudential.com.my/en/our-produc...umy-child-plus/
I would like to understand what does it mean by this Pregnancy Complications with GDM. -- <a href='https://pictr.com/images/2019/10/18/5Vuaz5.md.png' target='_blank'>https://pictr.com/images/2019/10/18/5Vuaz5.md.png </a>

Does this mean that one must have one of the complications AND GDM in order to be reimbursed with additional rm1k (under Plan 2)?
yes you are right.

So if just having GDM only, one would not be compensated at all?
yeap, thats correct.

And if one already have GDM before having such policy, would she still be allowed to buy this policy?
subject to application underwriting. need to submit the required checkup documents for pregnancy checkup.

Hope someone knowledgeable on this can assist on answering the above. Thanks.
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Hi sempcc,

that benefit will only payout if there is pregnancy complication (additional cash payout if the pregnancy complication is with GDM). if there is no pregnancy complication, then it's not entitle to claim at all.

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post Oct 21 2019, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(cqf @ Oct 21 2019, 09:51 AM)
I called up AIA and was told A-P MedBooster is still available and I can walk in and buy. My agent told me it's no longer being offered which is strange.

She's pushing APH and wants me to buy that under a new basic policy.

AIA told me I can switch to APH without cancelling my basic policy but AIA have to offer me this deal directly. I checked my Account on the AIA portal and it appears I have that offer.
Yeah agree. Plan200 minimum.
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Hi cqf, if you have the opportunity to take the new medical card without needing of getting new plan, its good to proceed with it. 😉
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post Oct 29 2019, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Oct 28 2019, 12:53 PM)
Is there an insurance policy here in Malaysia that can cover your medical cost and also cover your critical illness even after you do Reconstruction surgery to your bone outside Malaysia? Say Genioplasty and Jaw Surgery?

I asked two agents, one from AIA and one from Prudential, they wont cover. But im not sure if other insurance company can cover
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Hi Leo, for this case, it is more suitable for an underwriter to answer you. what agents can do is take your medical record history and bring this up to underwriter and ask.
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post Oct 30 2019, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(mnt_lim @ Oct 30 2019, 03:19 PM)
hi sifus, i got an existing ILP from Great Eastern with loadings brought years ago. wish to upgrades the AL & LL and do some reviews, and possibly, remove the loading. Is it doable?

do i need to give up the existing policy and get another new 1 in order to remove the loading? or loading is not removable at all?
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QUOTE(mnt_lim @ Oct 30 2019, 08:25 PM)
Thanks for enlighten. Does that means I need to pay for 2 policy until the new 1 passed the waiting period.?

My loading is actually due to overweight bmi years ago when I get the policy, my agent said GE didn't set eny exclusion or ask me to go for medical check up, they just decide to loading my policy, so based on her advice, I accept the policy with loading. She mentioned once that I could actually try to appeal to remove the loading once I reduce weight n have a healthy bmi, so that's what I plan to do now cause I manage to loose quite some weight and stay in normal bmi. And I never claimed anything for the pass 7years.

Just worried if I cancel the old plan and anything happens, it won't be claimable. Although the old plan has a small annual limit n lifetime limit.
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Hi mnt_lim. So long you are confident with your current BMI, you can appeal to take away the loading. Of course certain medical check up might be needed! Hope to hear from your good news!
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post Nov 2 2019, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(xp080613 @ Oct 31 2019, 07:49 PM)
Would need advice for insurance below. Which one is better for a healthy 24 years old man who just started working? Are these two plans considered good compared to current insurance package?

Package A:
Premium: 147 per month
Life: 100k
TPD/OAD: 100k
Personal accident: 100k
Critical illness waiver: Yes
TPD waiver: Yes
Medical card
Annual limit: 2.15M
Lifetime limit: Unlimited

Package B:
Premium: 149 per month
Life: 60k
TPD/OAD: 60k
Personal accident: 60k
Critical illness waiver: Yes
TPD waiver: Yes
Medical card
Annual limit: 2.15M
Lifetime limit: Unlimited
Critical illness (end stage): 60k
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Hi xp080613, this 2 plans are good by looking at the benefits. Whether it suits you or not is another question because you are the one discussing with your agent. We won't know much details about you especially not knowing what are your concerns and what you really want to benefit from an insurance plan. Btw this looks like medical ilp plan from HLA, am i right?

QUOTE(ahleemaju @ Nov 1 2019, 10:17 PM)
hi, i'd been introduce term life insurance that have no medical question.

should i declare my condition/detail for this type of insurance as well ?
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QUOTE(ahleemaju @ Nov 1 2019, 11:20 PM)
i'd told agent my condition, but he didnot told me to declare anything.
this's the product

https://www.greateasternlife.com/my/en/pers...eat-love4u.html

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...4u-brochure.pdf
from what i read, it didn't mention any medical requirment at all, but i feel like it'll have certain catch or hidden term that i should be aware of.
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Hi ahleemaju, in common cases, you need to declare your health condition. For this plan itself no need since it doesnt have any medical underwriting.

QUOTE(Zavia/GenX @ Nov 2 2019, 05:05 PM)
Looking at room and board rates...

What does 150/200/250/300/350/400 etc get us at a hospital? Is there like a rate published at hospitals so we get an idea what 250 is geting us for example?

I feel its very opaque yet important when searching for medical insurance.
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Hi Zavia, If you go to hospitals itself, you will see them (normally ad the registration/admission counter) displaying their R&B rates. For some you might find this info in hospital websites as well.

QUOTE(afkwan @ Nov 2 2019, 05:08 PM)
yo agents

my pass experience must tell agent smoke or not

yesterday a friend toll me his agent quote him AXA Wealth Protect smoke or non smoker same price. I'm worry he get wrong info. Anyone can help confirm ah? TQVM
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Hi afkwan, premium of smoker or non smoker might/might not be the same. So long the sales illustration from the insurance company states the correct smoker/non smoker status, then its okay already.

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