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post Jun 12 2007, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(garry_npm @ Jun 12 2007, 08:59 AM)
SleeplessEyes, thanks for your expert explanation on this. Really appreciate this. Yeah, I would definitely prefer to be able to figure out what is the root cause and the culprit and fix that, rather than finding an easy way out and tweak other stuff. Well, bypass looks good, but I hope I don't have to do that smile.gif

I'll send my car to a different workshop and see what they got to say about this. This time will focus on hose, plastic joints (where are they, I don't see any?) and whatever other connections.

All of you have been very helpful - thanks!!


Added on June 12, 2007, 9:11 amJimmy, I do notice that when it jams, the temperature rises, and then the fan kicks in, and subsequently the temperature goes down slightly.

However it looks like the fan doesn't turn long enough. It probably turns less than a minute. Then it shuts off. Then the temperature goes up again.

You see, if this keeps happening, eventually it goes beyond the 1/2 mark and 2/3 mark. I just feel that the fan is not turning long enough or probably not fast enough. The car just unable to cope with the "stress" tongue.gif
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thats the good reason why i always use my aircond to unload the stress. Is the car setup of when the fan should turn. is not faulty.
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post Jun 13 2007, 01:34 PM

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Sent to 2nd mechanic and he checked - actually nothing wrong with radiator, coolant, cap, hose, termostate, etc.

Now thinking maybe the indicator/temperature gauge itself is faulty. Actually, when the indicator goes 1/2, then up to 2/3, fan kicks in, goes down... all these "movements"... am I suppose to expect the indicator goes up and down "smoothly and very gradually", or is it possible for it to "jump" a few mm (drastically)?

The car's indicator is being checked by the same mechanic again today.

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post Jun 13 2007, 02:35 PM

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garry...u might also wanna check ur battery grounding.....sumtime the grounding intend to loose..smile.gif
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post Jun 13 2007, 10:18 PM

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Ecko, how does battery grounding and it being loose affect the indicator? Blur... smile.gif

Btw, it seems I can't change the individual temperature indicator/needle. Need to change entire panel (including speedometer, mileage gauge, etc). Sigh.. How much should that cost?

Thanks.

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post Jun 13 2007, 11:09 PM

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i found some rust in my kancil 660 radiator inside the radiator cap area, will can cause any problem?
i think my kancil never done flushing radiator before, if i do flushing will it cause leaking to the radiator??
if in case need to replace a new radiator, how much will cost?
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post Jun 13 2007, 11:33 PM

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mine one also like that, but i take my car to a radiator shop and tell him to clean my radiator, he opened it, showed me that only 3 lubang of my radiator is working. It is full with rust, i see he use some flat metal like metal ruler or something to poke the hole and all the rust come out already. then wash it kau kau. Done. the temp back to normal, no need to bypass a fan. then he ask me if i wan to remove a valve that opened at 80 celcius, cos he say sometimes that thing maby jammed and he say that thing is useless, he say that thing is usefull when u are driving in a cold weather. now no more heating problem, but i have difficulties to start my car on morning. now i regret already why agreed when he asked me isit wan to remove the valve.. but the great spot is my car now dont have any heating problem. now only 1/4. only when i drive it fast fast 130 kph then it will go 2/4.
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post Jun 14 2007, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Assholer @ Jun 13 2007, 11:09 PM)
i found some rust in my kancil 660 radiator  inside the radiator cap area, will can cause any problem?
i think my kancil never done flushing radiator before, if i do flushing will it cause leaking to the radiator??
if in case need to replace a new radiator, how much will cost?
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Flushing is just taking out the radiator and give it a good washing. Shouldn't cause leaking unless the cleaner drop it/break it/poke a hole to it tongue.gif I think flushing it should clear all the rust and you should use coolant because it does contain some anti-rust ingredient.

I was quoted about RM270 for a new radiator. Not sure if that's a fair price. I'll assume this is original Kancil radiator.

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Added on June 14, 2007, 10:00 am
QUOTE(developer @ Jun 13 2007, 11:33 PM)
mine one also like that, but i take my car to a radiator shop and tell him to clean my radiator, he opened it, showed me that only 3 lubang of my radiator is working. It is full with rust, i see he use some flat metal like metal ruler or something to poke the hole and all the rust come out already. then wash it kau kau. Done. the temp back to normal, no need to bypass a fan. then he ask me if i wan to remove a valve that opened at 80 celcius, cos he say sometimes that thing maby jammed and he say that thing is useless, he say that thing is usefull when u are driving in a cold weather. now no more heating problem, but i have difficulties to start my car on morning. now i regret already why agreed when he asked me isit wan to remove the valve.. but the great spot is my car now dont have any heating problem. now only 1/4. only when i drive it fast fast 130 kph then it will go 2/4.
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Wahlao.. blocked so many holes ar? For me out of so many holes, only 7 holes were blocked. Yeah, they will need to poke it or scratch it to remove the rust.

Think the valve you mentioned here is the termostat?

This post has been edited by garry_npm: Jun 14 2007, 10:00 AM
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post Jun 14 2007, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(garry_npm @ Jun 13 2007, 10:18 PM)
Ecko, how does battery grounding and it being loose affect the indicator? Blur... smile.gif

Btw, it seems I can't change the individual temperature indicator/needle. Need to change entire panel (including speedometer, mileage gauge, etc). Sigh.. How much should that cost?

Thanks.
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i sounds not connected rite??sound funny rite??hehe...lazy to explain la..heehe
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mayb there is an air-lock in the radiator...if there's air-lock in the radiator den the water cooling system is not really doing its job...coz heat can't b transfer thru AIR...

bout rusts in radiator..checkout... http://www.lubroil.com/C1.htm
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Quote from the URL above: "After a few days drive, scale and rust will appear on top of the cooling reservoir."

I'm puzzled how rust can float? rclxub.gif
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post Jun 14 2007, 02:33 PM

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i dunno, maby it is the thermostat. i think its kinda a valve......... nvm my problem now solved, only i got gasket problem with my engine. TS go flush it first bah, no need to get a new one. a new one RM 200+ Is APM Malaysia de radiator..

This post has been edited by developer: Jun 14 2007, 02:34 PM
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post Jun 15 2007, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(garry_npm @ Jun 13 2007, 10:18 PM)
Ecko, how does battery grounding and it being loose affect the indicator? Blur... smile.gif

Btw, it seems I can't change the individual temperature indicator/needle. Need to change entire panel (including speedometer, mileage gauge, etc). Sigh.. How much should that cost?

Thanks.
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Poor ground will not affect just 1 temperature meter. It will make the entire electrical system perform poorly, theorically. That includes your headlamps, radio, etc. Your headlamps will be dimmer and your radio will have poorer sounds.

I just dont see any relations, Ecko, in just affecting 1 meter.


Added on June 15, 2007, 12:54 pm
QUOTE(ecko @ Jun 14 2007, 10:26 AM)
i sounds not connected rite??sound funny rite??hehe...lazy to explain la..heehe
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My advice, is if you cannot suggest a good solution, then dont bother typing. shakehead.gif
Just sit back and observe.

it will only make you look more stupid if you write more silly suggestions.

Yes I know you're gonna say next "This is a public forum and I have all rights to talk and type whatever I wish and whatever I want",
but as I mentioned earlier,
it will only make you look more stupid if you write more silly suggestions

P.s- This is my advice for you. If you take it as a insult, I cant help you on this one.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Jun 15 2007, 01:00 PM
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post Jun 16 2007, 12:05 AM

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ok la...im the one who stupid....im the one who doesnt know anything...ok lor.....other wise im not automotive student rite????
my advise to u....dun easily called people stupid la...not nice....looks so rude that way....

im suggesting that way...because im already experiencing it...seriously...
actuallly it kinda hard to explain...why dun u come n c me...then we discuss more about it???im keen to learn from pro like u SleeplessEyes...

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damn.. driving 850 kancil for the whole day... reaching 250km perday

result:

Temp Max.. water boilded when open the bonet.. have to pour water to cool it down sad.gif
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QUOTE(developer @ Jun 14 2007, 02:33 PM)
i dunno, maby it is the thermostat. i think its kinda a valve......... nvm my problem now solved, only i got gasket  problem with my engine. TS go flush it first bah, no need to get a new one. a new one RM 200+ Is APM Malaysia de radiator..
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how did you solved the gasket problem? your mechanic charge you how much? my mother surveyed some of the places here (in puchong), they said gasket problem, everything they charged RM200 plus! have to leave car for 3 days, i think it includes cleaning the radiator...

continuing survey..


Added on June 21, 2007, 10:00 pmBought a new radiator today, APM RM205.. btw, the thermostat missing!!! add another RM38 for it..

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post Jun 23 2007, 03:07 AM

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Hi all,

I've driven my car for a few days now and the problem of the temperature going up and down has gone biggrin.gif

I think I missed out an important info on my original problem (see below). When I mentioned the temperature moves up/down, I didn't mean it went up gradually/gracefully/slowly. The temperature gauge needle actually went up/down quite fast/drastically/jumpy about few mm. I wish I had recorded that and put it in YouTube for you guys to see. biggrin.gif

Anyway, NO BYPASS, no fixing/changing of radiator and fan. Somehow, there were 2 problems:
1. The temperature gauge moving too fast, which is not suppose to happen (according to mechanic). Change a device called "Thermo Switch" - RM18.00. After that, the gauge behaved properly - movement is now gradually, although temperature still go up.
2. To fix this temperature going up, he changed something called "Fan Switch" - RM45.00.

Now everything kaotim. Labor charged me RM45.00 (actually took a few days to diagnose the problem and test driving).


QUOTE(garry_npm @ Jun 11 2007, 02:30 PM)
Hi all,

When driving non-stop (usually on highway), the Kancil's temperature is about 1/3 or 1/4.

However, when it stops or slows down at traffic lights or at heavy traffic roads, the temperature goes up to half.

If stuck in prolong traffic jams, goes up to almost 2/3, before the "red line" area).

Checked with the workshop - No leaking or loss of coolant. He can't even get the temperature up to half (the car is stationary, I guess need to move the car).

So, just asked the workshop to flush/wash the radiator (told me that 9 holes are blocked), and changed the coolant. Not sure if the 9 blocked holes are the culprit. Changing to a new radiator will cost me about RM270. Is that a fair price? Didn't change.

I noticed that Kancil has only 1 fan. This fan will switch on and off depending on the engine temperature and the some maybe 1 or 2 minutes interval (not sure about this).

I *think* the temperature goes up whenever the fan stops - I guess I can hear the fan is kicking in again during jams and the temperature goes down. And when the fan stops, the temperature goes up again. Is it advisable to switch the fan on non-stop?

Some other threads mentioned termostat - is it possible to tweak Kancil's to lower down the temperature so that the fan kicks in more often at lower temperature?
Thanks for your advices,
Garry
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