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post Mar 4 2019, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2019, 06:03 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

good diversion plan...

ASM1 cannot. divert to ASM 2 & 3  rclxms.gif  at least can get pro-rated dividend in Sept & Oct
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post Mar 4 2019, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Mar 4 2019, 06:56 PM)
Not the right time to top up now, wait until end of the month or 1st of every month if possible
Who is your msater?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2019, 06:57 PM)
found the answer...
don't have latest one.. but I feel somehow near...
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This is very good. What I worry is too many Chinese in a single fund. Looks like ASM2 and ASM3 are relatively a safer bet.

I didn't know nonbumi cannot buy ASN. Maybe that was the reason I never explore any Amanah Saham after that, other than variable price + commission.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2019, 06:59 PM)
well as long get the units..good enough...
cannot wait till last week of the month... If zero units how  confused.gif  console.gif
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Yeah. When I have spare change, I'll buy. Spare change lying there also won't earn interest. But now need to return money to my friend first. Then 1 stack of credit card bills to pay (bro saitong should know better).
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post Mar 4 2019, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2019, 08:02 PM)
Well ASM less Bumi because always not available...
Suspended from donno when.. How to buy leh doh.gif ain't have time to spam captcha.. Better dump into ASB 3 @ Didik laugh.gif

Yeah. ASN1 is bumi only fund... Actually its the first fund under PNB.. Then only ASB came later....
Whenever u have $$$ & time...
Pay whatever dues first... Don't keep debt especially to friends... Might bring trouble later on 😈 endless possibilities...
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I thought less bumi because no quota.

hah? "suspended" so long already?

Friend debt can la. He was ok to extend it before i bought more ASM2 on fire sale day. Otherwise, would've settled 1 day after the fire sale.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2019, 08:10 PM)
Been like that from start....
No wonder its become "big headache" to PNB...
And near 100% subscribed....

Easy way.  "Suspended" so it won't become even bigger 😴
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The reason for suspension and fund size is not making much sense to me. You see, they've been increasing the fund size every now and then. 100% not an issue. Suspending will only make it bigger - people who sell and buy after the 1st calendar day stand to lose dividend, so they save 1 month dividend.

My guess is, if there's any reason for this to be true, PNB is buying in to redistribute as dividends (not sure if that is allowed, but I think I saw something like that in annual report stating they did not buy any). Otherwise, maybe only bumi can buy to balance back the %.

edit : anyway, that chart is about the number of unit holders. Still need to know the % of units they hold. People like unker 1 person hold few hundred k unit, unker's untie 1 person 100k unit. even more lopsided.

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post Mar 5 2019, 01:44 PM

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Khazanah lost money already woh. ASN don't know will follow or not leh.
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post Mar 5 2019, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 5 2019, 01:50 PM)
Surprised to read this in the news.

2018 was not really that bad. Maybe cover all the behind the doors dxxxy dealings under this and start 2019 new. Ha.

Afraid that other similar govt funds may copy cat that move and blame 2018.
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Fortunately EPF did not. Yeah, 2018 wasn't that bad in 1malaysia. Was US fluctuating.

Next month will know tongue.gif
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post Mar 5 2019, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 01:56 PM)
worried here too..

and heard even TH dividends not out yet.. Normally by February already announced the rate...

next would be ASM dividend.. I really hope No bad news.. fingercross.. 
PNB normally Benchmark against EPF.. not really vs Khazanah since it's government investment org...
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Worry not enough bullet when everyone sells on bad news?
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post Mar 5 2019, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 02:11 PM)
worried lower dividends..
and no enough time to escape  biggrin.gif
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if just want to escape, we can redirect our bullets to you.

If serious talk, yes, I did tell people I intro about this risk. Price won't go down, but if collapse, no buyers also.

Have to looky see their annual report to see what counters they invest in. As long as those are giving good dividends, then you should get good dividends

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post Mar 5 2019, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 02:22 PM)
but there's also not so good counter like TM.. lost so much of their market value..
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If don't lose market value, how to give you free 10x speed upgrade?

I think this will be a concern when we become variable price. Fixed Price just give dividend only.
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post Mar 5 2019, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 5 2019, 02:29 PM)
you can actually refer to their annual report to see actual "lost" under assets.
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ooooook thanks bro. that's more transparent.
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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Mar 5 2019, 02:46 PM)
hmmm.... so we kena pandai pandai , dont simply trust rumours or panic .

1)EPF asset size stood at RM814 billion. (US$200 billion), making it the fourth largest pension fund in Asia and seventh largest in the world.

2)Permodalan Nasional Bhd’s (PNB) fund size under management has ballooned to RM279 billion.
*ASM1 Fund size 13.0 billion units,
*ASM2 Fund size 20 billion ,
* ASM3 fund size 24 billion.

tabung haji currently managing over rm73 billion , now got problem and hand over to gov jaga ,
if asx got problem , i think gov will jaga oso .
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I heard it's more difficult to liok money from EPF.

The figures you listed for ASMx is approved size, not actual size. That day I looky see ASM3 is around half your figure only. ASM2 is the one maxing out. ASM1 still can tahan another 1.5 rounds of 6% dividends before maxing out its approved limit.

Tabung Haji is people's pilgrimage fund, ASN is just extra money where everyone tries to be pelabur bijak, less need to jaga.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 03:34 PM)
ASM1..
then why bloddy suspended the fund... I mean cannot buy, only sell  blink.gif   bruce.gif 
please don't tell me.. the fund suffer "massive losses"  shakehead.gif  puke.gif
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that's what I'm trying to understand. Someone heard it from someone heard it from someone and so on. Reliable?

Not massive loss kua. Otherwise not allowed to sell already. Of the top 10 companies, only a few lost some projects right? I think gamuda was one of them. Axiata dividend still coming.

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post Mar 5 2019, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 03:57 PM)
what story u heard?
lai lai share  biggrin.gif

believe or not later I see based on the logic of the story   cool2.gif
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What I meant was, where did the first person who said ASM 1 is suspended heard it from?

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 5 2019, 03:58 PM)
If you see correctly, MAJORITY of the share are making loses.

But the fundamental still strong.
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Actually I forget one thing - they trade in the stock market too. That's where a huge chunk of the dividend came from.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 04:15 PM)
well my wild guess..
the reserved already dried up for ASM... and they needed to cancel some units to fill up the gap..

if open & people buy ASM units.. they needed to use the $$ later to buy more share & pay dividends to unit holders in the end... which they have some trouble fulfilling it  devil.gif

logic theory tongue.gif
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I think with 90% held by non-bumi, little incentive to increase the authorized units. So just buy from sellers and redistribute as dividend (if they are allowed to do so). Otherwise maybe there really is no one selling.

When was the last time you managed to buy? Was it nov over a Sunday mega sale?

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post Mar 6 2019, 04:09 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2019, 06:04 PM)
last time, not Nov 2018 leh... around last week of January this year like that... just before 1 Feb Holiday  rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(??!! @ Mar 6 2019, 03:46 AM)
Can contribute even after 70 years  BUT no dividends given to members aged 70 years and above
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Yes dividend until 100.

http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10..._19.07.2017.pdf
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QUOTE(spiderwick @ Mar 6 2019, 02:13 PM)
saitong09 just to clarify, so the dividend payout is monthly right? coz i seen ppl mentioned it's on annual basis in other forum.
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calculation is monthly. payout yearly
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post Mar 6 2019, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2019, 03:25 PM)
from ASx become EPF discussion already..
must be such boring day with zero success on hunting the units laugh.gif

Morning I saw post mention have plenty of ASM3.. No one scoop the available units whistling.gif
or just shy to post & be silent about the success brows.gif drool.gif
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Yesterday almost no discussion because everyone bullet finish.

got little bit of bullet, not worth the trouble. I think have 150 like that, so didnt even try buy.
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post Mar 6 2019, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2019, 03:37 PM)
yup. can feel many no more bullets to attack even suddenly have fire sales  biggrin.gif  blink.gif

wait for 1 April.. then we have blast party dry.gif
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yeah. Old debt not settle, don't want too much new debt la. month end only have freshly minted bullet.

Rantau is Apr 13 woh. 2 rounds of fi/re sales?
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post Mar 6 2019, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 6 2019, 03:40 PM)
Is because TS easy going.

And you all also ok with anything lol.

Unlike some thread around here. Sikit sikit lari also report report. Hahaha.
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I think no need so serious. Have some fun while make 1money
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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Mar 6 2019, 05:08 PM)
Ya , but if open account with vp have to take 1 day only can register myasnb.

Plz ready bullet for 1 April , asm1 .
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I registered online hours after I open account and buy VP. For others information.

My friend open account and manage to buy fp, bank ask him register online on the spot.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2019, 06:08 PM)
very good the banks ask to register online on the spot.
not many banks officer would like to do such thing.. bloody lazy bum.. they say go home & do yourself.. ain't have time for your silly task  puke.gif

mind asking which bank & branch is that  hmm.gif
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Maybank Jalan Pudu. Banks don't get much commission doing ASN.

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Mar 8 2019, 10:30 AM)
ASN Sara (Mixed Asset Conservative) 1

Anyone buy this?
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not me. just not into price that goes up and down.

QUOTE(mekboyz @ Mar 8 2019, 10:30 AM)
Btw the prospectus totally cannot find on ASN website.. always 404 error
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Try http://www.asnb.com.my/asnbv2_2funds_EN.php#prospektusphs


QUOTE(mekboyz @ Mar 8 2019, 10:32 AM)
you mean buy from MBB is easier compared to direct ANSB website?

last time I buy from MBB my payment got rejected and later credit back to my account.
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more or less same. For me, only reason to buy from maybank2me is to try win some $500. You have to pay $1 for successful and erred transactions but no catchas.

If use ASN site, then have to type catchas.

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