https://www.lowyat.net/2018/170440/rider-st...n-to-its-knees/

literally cut half of their pay?
gila mia corporate decision

How does cutting the payment to half benefit the riders?

I actually pity the food delivery riders. Delivering food riding under the hot sun. It is definately not an easy job. Grab should not cut the incentive.

Statement from Grab Malaysia – GrabFood Riders

We recently revised our incentive scheme for our GrabFood riders, which in truth, would have benefited them more


How does revising from RM10 to RM5 can benefit anyone more? Logic longkang?

Firstly Grab can set whatever comm they want to give to riders for grabfood. U want u do la.

U dont accept or dont like the comm dont do la.

Rmb, they never force u to do. They hv no right to complain.

U can boycott but there will thousands more who will do the job .

Really ah? Got thousands more to do ah? Then why can kena until more than 2 hours wait? Means they can just sack the current riders and get new ones ah?

typical la. increase price of sugar, garam, petrol all for your health concern

potong celery/incentive/allowance/bonus also for your good so that u dun spend too much on unnecessary things

corporate greed

U sure there are thousand more that will do the job?

Ohhh macam ni rupanya.. Syukur Grab seorang bos yang mengambil berat ttg ridernya

Yes. New ppl will join. For 1 day will be down. It doesnt matter. Next day, new ppl join. Up and running again.

They dont sack. The riders are not under their payroll.

Not sure why ppl think doing Grab/grabfood as a full time job is viable. Its not.

Its just a job to make some money to cover daily expenses. Not to totally replace ur full time job.

So i find it weird they complain no epf, socso etc etc. First of all, GRAB did not hire u! You are the one came crawling to grab for with ur own intention of making a little side income.

If u tak suka, just delete the damn app frm ur phone. As simple as that.

No right to complain? Ptui!
People like you is why the society is so screwed up!

Oh okok. Kalau tak suka, keluar la

I just said GRAb never hired u all. Is there a offer letter u signed stating there will be a basic salary?

What nonsense u talking. If my boss suddenly cut my salary 50%, he will be taken to labour court la.

Of course.

Of course. Just delete the app from ur phone la. Grab never pointed a gun at ur head to force u to accept jobs.

lo.u tak u keluar mentality.everyday before last GE ,chanting BN is bad.najib is thief,racist..and now,u r no better than them

Bravo!
Support modern day slavery!
Cum I gif u a like!

Just speaking the truth. No point u do a job that u feel is not paying u the right money.

If u dont like grabfood, go la do honestbee or some other food delivery.

Nope. U sendiri took ur own bike on ur own freewill downloaded grabapp to do grabfood.

On ur own freewill accepted job requests and on ur own freewill rode to the restaurant and collected the food.

Wheres the slavery? Wake up dude

Sembang lebat la kau ni.

Will u take that kind of job?

If ur management cut your salary 50%, will u get angry?

I think for sure u will quit 24 hours

I wonder how does grab food rm5 fee compare to others like food panda

As i said. Totally different. One is have offer letter stated the terms. If i dont like, i dont sign the offer letter. If he cut 50% salary after i signed the letter, just take to labour court. Sure win. Easy case.

On the other hand, u try and report Grab to labour court now. See what happens. They laugh at u.

2 totally different cases.

walao sibeh good earn RM10/job if do 10 jobs per day already get RM100 probably just need few hours.
liddat can earn even more than me liao.

drive grab also cant get so much no?

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Sep 28 2018, 07:47 AM

The rm10 needs to come frm somewhere.

Now the delivery is RM5.

If RM10, less ppl will order

i know, but the point is rm10/job for rider is very good earning.
but iinm it has always been RM5/job no meh? i asked the rider like 1-2 months ago he say get rm5/job

Can but unfortunately the cost is much higher for a car compare to motorcycle, car fuel burns more even in traffic jam, motor still ok, the cons is it's a lot dangerous.

Who's going to pay for the transportation cost? Why do you assume that orders will be constantly coming in every hour?

motor petrol cost how much lah dey??

It's still a cost, isn't it? What about maintenance? They don't operate from a single point like McD or KFC deliveries either.

This post has been edited by neoexcaliber: Sep 28 2018, 07:55 AM

motor petrol cost as much as car petrol

true story

Lol.
Nobody force them to take grabfood job.

Agree

u drive to work no need maintenance? what is it difference with being grabfood driver?
motor maintenance how much la dey? RM10K/month?

anyway lazy to argue already.
imo rm5/job is still good enough, grabfood didnt forced them to be rider (same for grab driver) if they were getting rm10/job earlier are probably "incentive" from company and now they decided to stop it.
strike all u want, if grab charge higher price on customers they wont order, translates to no job for rider.

but but but if raining no need work can lepak wo

motor brand BMW ka?

u failed to understand my post. i haz saddings

I actually got a delivery guy once who came with one of those BMW bikes

i understand

can snap photo on the bike

Agree.

Wait i kena that guy again

Grab has no employment contract with riders and vice versa. When they cut the incentives, existing riders have the right to walk away without any compensation.

It is not the same as working for a company bound by employment contract. If one day, the boss cut the salary down by 50% without notice, the employee can fight back in labour court.

Same case as Uber in US currently where the gomen is trying to prove that Uber drivers are employees of Uber Inc despite not have any contract. Still pending in court. If employees win, Uber is fucked.

Anthony and Gobind should go full force on Grab

Grab logic.. run by a bunch of vampires.

oh waiii i just recalled rm5/job was foodpanda not grab.

they must have employed ahmad maslan as their marketing director or some ex-BN minister

how is there "thousands more who will do the job" when there is no money to be made?
it's like saying there are thousands more waiting in line to be street cleaner for RM500
grab doesn't limit how many grab rider on the road, so how come some ppl need to wait 5 hours when "thousands more" are out there?

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Sep 28 2018, 08:15 AM

Exactly

Costs the same. But 1L of petrol brings u further compared to a car. So it is cheaper because u get to go further.


This post has been edited by kevin23: Sep 28 2018, 08:17 AM

Tok kok la!
You make as if every kid dream of this job!
Free will? Hope you & your family won't be so down on your luck too!

Take it or leave it, that's all

U will be surprised la. There is still money to be made at rm5. But they just want more money.

Alot ppl nowadays looking for side income.

It doesn’t. They still want to save face.

They like uber d. Monopoly now and lan si liao.

True. But then grab also want their 25 percent as commission right? So basically they still get their share. I don’t think the incentive structure ever touched on grabs commission. In an era or higher volume, you would think grab might lower its commission for the benefit of everyone else. They basically have no cost and risk there.

If rider/delivery service is your passion(or the only job you're willing to do), go do mcd/pizza/dominos delivery lah. Got basic+allowance+ot. Rider of the month can get extra. Or go join lazada express LEX. The more stuff you can sumbat in your car the more you earn. Those complained just want easy money. I don't see foodpanda/honestbee riders kepoh about their RM5/trip pay. But yes Grab also in the wrong coz not enough transparency.

ppl always say grab car and grabfood is the same..it isn't..there is a difference
grab car is basically ride sharing service, u use your car(no additional accessories needed)..u go from point A to B...in that journey, u pickup a person so that it can cover your petrol
grabfood, your bike but behind u there is a special case to put the food in, u wear grab jacket
ain't nobody gonna ride that box behind around from point A to B if he is not working for grabfood
and it's not like u can remove that box after u reach point B and go back to your normal job
so grabfood isn't really a food delivery sharing service

Your vehicle is not the primary provider of your income. You use it to get to work. It's not the same for Grab drivers or food delivery. A cost is a cost and most people take cost and benefits into account before working and you're ignoring the part where orders are not constant. They make good money within multiple small windows so the daily average might not even be up to entry-level income at RM 5 per trip.

It's an ecosystem. Grab needs customers and riders and vice versa.

As some have said, there's no employment contract between Grab and the riders so it is within Grab's rights to cut in half if they want. It is also the riders' right to stop taking the job from Grab (for some reason called strike in the media for this case). If Grab thinks what they're doing is right and will benefit their company, then they should stick to their gun. Let's see if there are 'many thousands' that will take over the former riders place. I personally foresee though that Grab will either return back to RM10 or change it again to placate the riders.

Nope. Not all riders have that box behind. The same goes for grabcar. Not every car has advertisements wrapped on their car.

fyi in essence grabcar is not a ride sharing service.

driver don't choose the destination, heck now theres even a forced auto job acceptance.

if grabhitch is still around then yes thats a shared ride service.

of course there is but how much is the main question?
u work for a company, company ask u go somewhere...they compensate for u for driving your car
grab doesn't..all is on u
and company pay by the KM u travelled, grab doesn't

if your employer suddenly cut your salary 50% i see all of you will rage or not?

Well it’s GRAB’s right to cut and Rider’s right to mogok. Who wins?

And then meet clients like my colleagues

Die2 will ask them to come up all the way to office to deliver food

if there is no box behind, where are they storing your food?
and the advertisement u mention is call the grab ambassador program...EXTRA pay each month

Said d. Grab is not ur employer!

Lets jst see how long they can boycott. No need makan meh. Especially fulltime ones.

I have ordered grabfood many times. I see they put the food in the front basket on their bike.

grab pay them right?
i have no contract with coffeshop but im still their customer because i pay them.
how about that?

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: Sep 28 2018, 08:32 AM

somemore if u work for KFC/MCD/pizza hut delivery, u don't need to ride your own bike
there is available bike for u to ride on...maintenance all company cover

exactly!
transport maintenance i a big hidden cost that many people do not factor in.

Maybe both lose also can happen.

u don`t forget that rider need pay petrol themself plus maintenance, sometimes they don`t have order. Hard earn, try do it, last time i also do this job as part time then i know how suffer to do that job.

Eh? Customer is not employer.

murah je
minyak hitam rm30
tayar 1 pair 200+
rantai or belt about 50-100
road tax rm2
insuran less than 300 per year

yup, maintenance is hidden cost plus you have to use own transport, then every two week need change oil cylinder then some of motorcycle need change filter. That why they boycott grab.

It's a competitive market.
Grab also did not earn much i think.
RM5 to rider, i think Grab themselves only make rm0.50 to rm1 to maintain the app and company?

They won't. Foodpanda is paying same rate Rm5 if not wrong. Grab rm10 is to entice the riders to their side.

If RM10..the only thing grab will do is charge the customer. You paid?

I think they can opt using own bike with extra trip allowance(duit minyak) but whatever happen accident/bike rosak/tayar pecah etc, mcd won't cover.

u try and see, minyak hitam rm 30 that can stand for two week riding only, even i do part time, i can hit up to 2000 on meter, last time i do ubereat, i need change minyak hitam every two week

but you are not the employer of the coffeshop. ada paham?

Failed argument. Try harder..

grab earn a lot, they earn from restaurant and also rider.

point is no contract.

u dont forget someone has to pay in order for rider to get rm10.
customer paying rm5 so balance comes from company.

if customer kena charge rm10/order u willing to pay?
if not then dont talk so loud.

boycott go ahead. go jump to other company im sure also getting same incentive.

no company is stupid enough to keep paying higher than other companies, except startup companies to lure riders.

grab : motor mau maintenance punya meh?..pump petrol ja mah

I kind of glad that most of the riders mogok.

More job for me = more money.

RM5 or RM10, money is still money, who is going to pay for my necessities if not myself.

Plus if the riders actually read the weekly payment blog, they would know that they are not going to get RM5 only. But then again, membaca bukan budaya kita.

Even in the training, the trainer already said that the payment will change every week. Whah else do you expect?

Welcome to Malaysia. In fact, if you compare the salary to those on other countries, almost all of us are living in poverty.

most will just ride company bike since company pay it all anyway
own bike just park there for going to work purposes only

What Grab did is legally correct but ethically wrong. So people who is okay with what Grab did might have problem with their ethics

okay, i know customer don`t want pay for it, but i still prefer like last time uber eat pay to rider, depends on pickup fees, miles send to customer. Like that they still earn on it. Plus u want get pay for rm 5 for 23km trip.

Well, as said, we will see what is Grab decision on this. Whether I paid or willing to pay RM10 or not is beside the point.

That was my point and I was replying to someone who thinks otherwise and thinks customer = employer. What's the point of your reply?

Foodpanda pay rm 5 per trip but they still earn from money for standby per hours. They need check in for start work and check out after work

proof that bike rempit has more guts that grab drivers.. talk kok ching chong only..