hi kentcp,

After reading the recommendation from most of you here, I went to Dr. How for consultation last week. He quoted me RM6k for metal Damon 3, without extraction (excluding x-ray, mold, pic). This is slightly more expensive than the price you listed here. Do you think I still can nego with him?

Another question is, although he said my case does not need extraction, I wonder if he will tell me that I need to extract some of my teeth half-way through the process. I really hope that my problem can be solve without any extraction and as soon as possible. I cannot make up my mind whether to go for it or not. My problem is 2 of my upper and 1 lower gigi taring is not align because not enough space. It's actually not very obvious even when I smile. I'm not sure if it worth the price, time and pain. Any advice?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks a lot for the advice. Hope he will be willing to reduce the price. By the way, you suggested me to quote your name, do you mind telling me your name? I guess I cannot quote your forum username right?

Besides, I saw some other equipments mentioned here, like bite stopper, screws, retainer. Are the cost of those included in the RM5.6k or will be charged separately?

This post has been edited by karynkhoo: Jun 9 2009, 11:20 AM

[quote=kentcp,Jun 9 2009, 03:54 PM]
My name is Kenny. Even you quote Kent, Dr. also know already.

Well, there will no additional charge for bite stoper, "rubber band". But screws (mini implant) is addition cost (if you require, depend on your condition). Retainer, i'm not sure.

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Added on June 9, 2009, 3:57 pm[quote=mrchildren,Jun 8 2009, 09:34 PM]
And the day after, I had a friend who came to visit me from Borneo, and i had to bring her around town for decent food. We ended up having spareribs yee mee, braised koey teow with asparagus as side dish.. My friend was totally stunned to see how well i managed my food on the 3rd day of braces..hehe So i went to the gym again today and guess what? I gained back my 1kg! Haha I'm doing quite good i think Kentcp, i'm sure you can maintain your weight too..

Wow.. good to hear that you able to gain back your 1KG.. may be i should review my daily meal..

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Thanks, Kenny.

By the way, I've another concern. From what I understand, self-ligating system doesn't require teeth extraction in most cases because it has the capability to expand/widen the arch. Hence, I wonder if this will change the structure of your face? Will it make your face wider/fatter?

Hi Nikki,

Good to hear that because i'm worried it will make my face even fatter. My face is already round enough. Did you extract any teeth? Your braces is taken off already? Done by Dr. How also?

where did you do yours? RM5600 is considered quite cheap. how's orthodontic quoted me RM6000, excluding xray, mold and photos. i've made appointment with how's orthodontic tonight. if i can find a cheaper place before that, i might change my mind

hope to get your reply soon.

thanks.

I failed to bargain... Dr. How said RM5.6k for your case was introductory price and it was 2 yrs ago. Now it is RM6k already. 1 cent also cannot reduce. Anyway, I still decided to go for it. I got my upper set of teeth done last night. Now I'm officially in this Bracesians club already.

Btw, Kenny, Dr. How told me that you were interviewed by reporter and your case will be in newspaper soon. Mind to share with us what is it all about?

I also asked Dr. How about Daemon 3 and Daemon MX. I notice that he used these 2 terms interchangeably. Are they the same actually? At first he said he'll do Daemon MX for me. After a while, he said it's Daemon 3. Although the braces is already in my mouth, but I'm not sure whether it's 3 or MX. Sigh...

Besides, Dr. glued the braces at lower part of my teeth. This makes the braces visible even when i'm not smiling. Is this normal? Does anyone know the reason for this?

I was also told that it might be very painful and I might need painkiller. However, after 15 hours of having the braces on, I don't really feel painful. I only feel slightly pain when I try to bite. Is this normal?

p/s: who are the guy who pretend as girl you all are talking about? Just out of curiosity...

This post has been edited by karynkhoo: Jun 23 2009, 04:19 PM

Dr. How said that you are going to take off your braces soon. Congratulations! So when will that be? Can post some photos after it's done? As kind of encouragement and motivation for the rest of us here.

Now I'm beginning to feel the discomfort and inconvenience of having the braces on. Cannot chew at all and the end of the archwire is causing ulcer. I tried to apply the dental wax but it took me 15 mins this morning to stick it on. Now is only upper jaw, I cannot imagine how will it be like when my lower jaw is installed with braces as well. I wonder how so many ppl can manage to go through this type of misery...

My mom said I pay so much for misery...

Nikki and Ken,

Thanks for the sharing and encouragement! I've been eating porridge for 4 meals now... Not sure how long I can stand this. Hopefully the pain won't last for too long.

Now I'm practising how to smile without showing teeth. I feel ashame to let ppl c my braces. I should have done this much earlier, when I was still in school. Now I'm working and old already. This is even worse as compared to school time. If I've kids in the future and their teeth are not nice, for sure I'll send them for braces as young as possible.

By the way, I have asked about the difference between Damon 3 and Damon MX in my earlier post. I found the answer in a website. Damon 3 and Damon 3MX are 2 different products. Mine should be Damon 3MX. Here's the link to the website:

Damon 3
Damon 3MX

If I understand Dr. How correctly, he mentioned that Damon 3 is not a good product because the brackets tend to break easily. Damon 3MX is better and more solid.

Ken,
Can't c ur photo clearly on page 1 ler. Any clearer b4 and after photos?

Nikki,
How's the progress of your braces? I've read some of your earlier post. You have ur braces on for around 8 months already right? How's it so far? Any obvious movement? Any photos to post?

Thanks!

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Added on June 24, 2009, 4:32 pmYou need to extract 4 teeth ar? Sound scary ler... Dr. How said extracting teeth can make face smaller, which sound attractive to me. Anyway, Dr. said I don't need extraction. If I insist to extract, I need at least 2 years to complete. If I don't extract, I should be able to complete in 18 months. I'm wondering if extracting wisdom teeth can help in making my face smaller Will ask Dr. during my next visit.

Another thing tat I'm curious in is... self-ligating. I only know the wire can move itself... but how? How does it know whether to move left or right? Out or in? Down or up? I'll try to ask Dr. about this in my next visit also. Hope he won't find me very fan....

This post has been edited by karynkhoo: Jun 24 2009, 04:32 PM

wow! your teeth move so fast! amazing!
hope my teeth can move so fast too...

i'll go home and snap some photo of my teeth also tonight, then upload

OMG! Kenny, ur case really looks complicated. Now I understand why reporter interviews you. And the Aug 2008 photo looks really scary... Especially the screws... Your teeth looks perfect now! Dr. How did magic on your teeth. Really worth the cost and the pain! Congratulations!

Btw, here are my photos:





This post has been edited by karynkhoo: Jun 25 2009, 02:00 AM

Kenny ar...

I wonder, during Aug 2008, the rubber zig zag like that, how u talk/eat ar? You can hardly open mouth rite? Looks so scary...

From what I understand, deep bite is when you bite, your upper front teeth cover your lower front teeth more than they should be.

Maybe other ppl here can explain this better than me.

Would like to ask for every1's experience here. Every time after installing braces or appointment, will feel pain right? The pain occurs only when try to bite something? Each time will pain for how long ar? I feel pain for 1 week already. Is this normal? I can bite soft food like... kuey teow soup... Does this mean tat I can only bite soft food for the rest of 18-24 months? Can I eat like normal (rice, meat) in this period of time?

Experience sharing from you guys here are really appreciated.

Thank you.

i've eaten lots of soft food like ice-cream, cakes, tong shui, durian... in the past 1 week. Guess my diet plan is going to fail

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Added on June 29, 2009, 2:25 pm

Btw, if i force myself to eat hard food, or eat a lot of thing, will it slow down the progress, or will make it faster? anyone has idea about this?

This post has been edited by karynkhoo: Jun 29 2009, 02:27 PM

Can you post the web address of the article in Guang Ming newspaper here? I couldn't manage to locate it online.

Thank you.

Hi all,

Does anyone know whether dental wax is safe for consumption or not? I think I accidentally swallowed my dental wax just now. Besides, anyone knows how much a box of dental wax costs? I got 1 FOC from Dr. How. I think that box is only enough for me to use for 1 month. Will Dr. How give another box during my next appointment? Or I need to buy myself?

I think I'm going to use quite a lot of dental wax. A few days ago, I tried not to use. But then my tongue itchy, went to feel the cutting edge of the wire, ended up the wire pierced into my tongue. My tongue stuck there, I force myself to pull out my tongue causing it to bleed quite a lot. Kind of scary experience. I'll make sure I use dental wax on every cutting edge of the wire from that day onwards.

sigh... anyway to search for the article online? can let me know the subject/title of the article? maybe I can try to search online.

actually tongue stuck at wire is not that painful la... don't worry

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Added on July 2, 2009, 11:24 ami wonder whether bracket detachments have got anything to do with the doctor's skill. may I know where did u do your braces?


This post has been edited by karynkhoo: Jul 2 2009, 11:24 AM

i think tat should b normal. i only felt the pain on the next way, when i try to bite. now, i've had my braces on upper jaw for 1 week and 4 days. the pain almost gone already. i even ate pork and beef yesterday. planning to challenge pizza today

huh?! will bleed 1 ar? does any of u know the cause for bleeding? so far, after having braces on for 2 weeks, i haven't seen any sign of bleeding yet. touch wood! hopefully won't bleed...

It's my 4th week now. I'm using damon 3mx. I don't have to extract any tooth as well. I think my case is almost same as you. I do feel pain since beginning, yet no movement. I guess this should be normal...

Tomorrow will be my next appointment to install my lower jaw. Nervous...