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> Don't buy MR DIY Surge Protector powerstrip, The MOV is only protecting one socket.

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post Aug 13 2018, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM)
Yes, I know about those three lines protection.

In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge.

In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry):
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This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out.
I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket sweat.gif  and still pass SIRIM.
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There is nothing wrong with the varistor placing. It did connect to live common and neutral common.

If you said it just protect the green, than the varistor should connect to the copper plate after the green switch.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM)
Yes, I know about those three lines protection.

In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge.

In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry):
user posted image
This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out.
I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket sweat.gif  and still pass SIRIM.
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It’s the same, they are all connected at the same line.
I doubt the parasitic inductance has any effect on it.

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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:28 PM)
Well the truth about surge protection is electrical surges are kinda unpredictable in terms of amplitude (peak to peak volt) or duration (surge time) so designing a perfect surge arrestor is close to impossible. Even industrial surge protector guys such as Emerson etc usually do not offer any sort of guarantee.

In fact some manufacturers put multiple MOVs across the same system in hopes that one of them 'catches' the strike. Theoretically installing a MOV at the 'entrance' is a good industry practice but there is no concrete proof that installing elsewhere along the PCC (Point of common coupling) affects the efficiency of the surge arrestor system.

If you have an expensive equipment, investing in a proper surge arrestor instead of Mr DIY is highly recommended  biggrin.gif
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sad.gif I just read what those manufacturers product training brochure mentioned about MOV placement......it recommends the MOV to be installed at 'entrance' of power input.

Wouldn't installing MOV at 'entrance' mean that location is path of least resistance once the varistor start to conduct after encountering a surge?

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:30 PM)
pls dont tell me u r an electrical engineer
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I am not. laugh.gif


But seriously, I am not planning to use it for 1000v or lightning strike protection, just day to day small surge from high powered motors/heaters (Neighbours car cleaning/washing business) sweat.gif
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Mr DIY surge arrestor also can spark discussion LOL

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:38 PM)
betul la use 471
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u wrote 275... the 275 is part number or volt?
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:43 PM)
u wrote 275... the 275 is part number or volt?
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where did i write? hmm.gif

in anycase if got one behind the part number, usually is multiplier la.
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(mazannor81 @ Aug 13 2018, 07:59 PM)
wanna beter protection, better buy Cal Lab
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:43 PM)
Mr DIY surge arrestor also can spark discussion LOL
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:43 PM)
u wrote 275... the 275 is part number or volt?
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OK

i saw the data sheet. it can be used.

the question here is can 275V damage ur load? if can, then hv to go 275V

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:45 PM)
where did i write? hmm.gif

in anycase if got one behind the part number, usually is multiplier la.
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u did wrote 275 lol

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:43 PM)
sad.gif  I just read what those manufacturers product training brochure mentioned about MOV placement......it recommends the MOV to be installed at 'entrance' of power input.

Wouldn't installing MOV at 'entrance' mean that location is path of least resistance once the varistor start to conduct after encountering a surge?

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I am not. laugh.gif
But seriously, I am not planning to use it for 1000v or lightning strike protection, just day to day small surge from high powered motors/heaters (Neighbours car cleaning/washing business) sweat.gif
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Using back your diagram,

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If the impedance between the 2 points are negligible, then these 2 points are at the same electrical potential. I guess manufacturers don't know this value that's why they recommend putting at the 'entrance'? And Mr DIY probably installed it at whichever cheapest location
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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:46 PM)
OK

i saw the data sheet. it can be used.

the question here is can 275V damage ur load? if can, then hv to go 275V

sorry

u did wrote 275 lol
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u got eye sight problem?

come i screen cap for you who wrote 275

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post Aug 13 2018, 08:57 PM

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Must read fine print. How many sockets are protected.
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:52 PM)
If the impedance between the 2 points are negligible, then these 2 points are at the same electrical potential. I guess manufacturers don't know this value that's why they recommend putting at the 'entrance'? And Mr DIY probably installed it at whichever cheapest location
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Hmm, make sense. hmm.gif

So, sifu notworthy.gif ....Is it fine if I move current MOV location to entrance just to be safe? Or I just leave it as it is?
Since I don't even know the impedance between those two points and MR DIY probably installed it randomly.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 13 2018, 08:54 PM)
u got eye sight problem?

come i screen cap for you who wrote 275

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ok sorry

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Aug 13 2018, 09:00 PM)
ok sorry

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sweat.gif alrite its all good.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:59 PM)
Hmm, make sense. hmm.gif

So, sifu notworthy.gif  ....Is it fine if I move current MOV location to entrance just to be safe? Or I just leave it as it is?
Since I don't even know the impedance between those two points and MR DIY probably installed it randomly.
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I not sifu la lol. If you paranoid then make a trip to Jln Pasar, buy another MOV with same part number and stick it to the entrance also can.

What makes u consider surge arrestors at the first place? If your lights dim while your neighbours wash their car it's better to check grounding instead icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 09:04 PM)
I not sifu la lol. If you paranoid then make a trip to Jln Pasar, buy another MOV with same part number and stick it to the entrance also can.

What makes u consider surge arrestors at the first place? If your lights dim while your neighbours wash their car it's better to check grounding instead  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Aside from dimming, the light also become brighter suddenly for few seconds.

I can feel my table fan rotation suddenly speeds up a lot before returning to normal speed after my neighbours shut down their equipments.
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