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apa MOV MOV ni? ELI5 takda ka?
Don't buy MR DIY Surge Protector powerstrip, The MOV is only protecting one socket.
Don't buy MR DIY Surge Protector powerstrip, The MOV is only protecting one socket.
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Aug 13 2018, 08:01 PM
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ayam buruh nelayan dan juga petani
apa MOV MOV ni? ELI5 takda ka? |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM) Yes, I know about those three lines protection. Look carefully. It's the same.In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge. In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry): ![]() This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out. I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:03 PM
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Uncle must have failed electronics in college. The MOV is placed in the COMMON ground and neutral point - which is exactly the same as what you mentioned in the later post.
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Aug 13 2018, 08:05 PM
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Dude, English please ELI5
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Aug 13 2018, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM) Yes, I know about those three lines protection. Except electricity doesn't work that way. It will always travel along the path of least resistance. What the MOV does is to give it an easy alternative so the MOV burns up instead of your load. So essentially electricity doesn't really care whether it is 'nearer' or 'further' UNLESS there is added impedance which I don't believe to be the case because your power switch is barely 1' long...In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge. In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry): ![]() This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out. I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket Try taking a multimeter and measure the resistance between your proposed location and the actual location. Probably u get less than 50ohms. When the surge comes in at 1,000 volt, it probably isn't going to care about the 50ohms haha. |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:08 PM
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lol. TS oh TS
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Aug 13 2018, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:07 PM) Except electricity doesn't work that way. It will always travel along the path of least resistance. What the MOV does is to give it an easy alternative so the MOV burns up instead of your load. So essentially electricity doesn't really care whether it is 'nearer' or 'further' UNLESS there is added impedance which I don't believe to be the case because your power switch is barely 1' long... Try taking a multimeter and measure the resistance between your proposed location and the actual location. Probably u get less than 50ohms. When the surge comes in at 1,000 volt, it probably isn't going to care about the 50ohms haha. Now that is something new...... If that the case, why do those high end surge protector MOVs normally located before the socket or load? |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:20 PM
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Even the protection voltage also wrong.
Should be 275 |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:24 PM
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Anyway, when 1000V comes along, do you think that small MOV will help?
Industrial surge protection cost thousands of dollars. And most of all, they have good grounding (which also cost thousands to achieve). |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:26 PM
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RM24 expect belkin RM90
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Aug 13 2018, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:15 PM) Now that is something new...... If that the case, why do those high end surge protector MOVs normally located before the socket or load? In fact some manufacturers put multiple MOVs across the same system in hopes that one of them 'catches' the strike. Theoretically installing a MOV at the 'entrance' is a good industry practice but there is no concrete proof that installing elsewhere along the PCC (Point of common coupling) affects the efficiency of the surge arrestor system. If you have an expensive equipment, investing in a proper surge arrestor instead of Mr DIY is highly recommended |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM) Yes, I know about those three lines protection. pls dont tell me u r an electrical engineerIn MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge. In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry): ![]() This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out. I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:33 PM
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Aug 13 2018, 08:33 PM
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What do u expect? A few hundred ringgit quality when u just buy it for few bucks? Simple terms. U get what u pay for.
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Aug 13 2018, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:28 PM) Well the truth about surge protection is electrical surges are kinda unpredictable in terms of amplitude (peak to peak volt) or duration (surge time) so designing a perfect surge arrestor is close to impossible. Even industrial surge protector guys such as Emerson etc usually do not offer any sort of guarantee. you can say its electrical energy in Joule. its one of the specs.In fact some manufacturers put multiple MOVs across the same system in hopes that one of them 'catches' the strike. Theoretically installing a MOV at the 'entrance' is a good industry practice but there is no concrete proof that installing elsewhere along the PCC (Point of common coupling) affects the efficiency of the surge arrestor system. If you have an expensive equipment, investing in a proper surge arrestor instead of Mr DIY is highly recommended |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Aug 13 2018, 08:24 PM) Anyway, when 1000V comes along, do you think that small MOV will help? it can many-many volts.Industrial surge protection cost thousands of dollars. And most of all, they have good grounding (which also cost thousands to achieve). it depends on how much electrical energy absorbed in Joule |
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Aug 13 2018, 08:36 PM
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Aug 13 2018, 08:37 PM
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lel these cheapo thing got surge protector? jew so gullible to believe them?
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Aug 13 2018, 08:38 PM
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Aug 13 2018, 08:39 PM
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