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> Don't buy MR DIY Surge Protector powerstrip, The MOV is only protecting one socket.

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post Aug 13 2018, 08:01 PM

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ayam buruh nelayan dan juga petani

apa MOV MOV ni? ELI5 takda ka?
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM)
Yes, I know about those three lines protection.

In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge.

In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry):
user posted image
This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out.
I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket sweat.gif  and still pass SIRIM.
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:03 PM

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Uncle must have failed electronics in college. The MOV is placed in the COMMON ground and neutral point - which is exactly the same as what you mentioned in the later post.
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:05 PM

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post Aug 13 2018, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM)
Yes, I know about those three lines protection.

In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge.

In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry):
user posted image
This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out.
I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket sweat.gif  and still pass SIRIM.
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Except electricity doesn't work that way. It will always travel along the path of least resistance. What the MOV does is to give it an easy alternative so the MOV burns up instead of your load. So essentially electricity doesn't really care whether it is 'nearer' or 'further' UNLESS there is added impedance which I don't believe to be the case because your power switch is barely 1' long...

Try taking a multimeter and measure the resistance between your proposed location and the actual location. Probably u get less than 50ohms. When the surge comes in at 1,000 volt, it probably isn't going to care about the 50ohms haha.
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:07 PM)
Except electricity doesn't work that way. It will always travel along the path of least resistance. What the MOV does is to give it an easy alternative so the MOV burns up instead of your load. So essentially electricity doesn't really care whether it is 'nearer' or 'further' UNLESS there is added impedance which I don't believe to be the case because your power switch is barely 1' long...

Try taking a multimeter and measure the resistance between your proposed location and the actual location. Probably u get less than 50ohms. When the surge comes in at 1,000 volt, it probably isn't going to care about the 50ohms haha.
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hmm.gif
Now that is something new......
If that the case, why do those high end surge protector MOVs normally located before the socket or load?

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post Aug 13 2018, 08:20 PM

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Even the protection voltage also wrong.
Should be 275
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:24 PM

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Anyway, when 1000V comes along, do you think that small MOV will help?

Industrial surge protection cost thousands of dollars. And most of all, they have good grounding (which also cost thousands to achieve).
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:15 PM)
hmm.gif
Now that is something new......
If that the case, why do those high end surge protector MOVs normally located before the socket or load?
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Well the truth about surge protection is electrical surges are kinda unpredictable in terms of amplitude (peak to peak volt) or duration (surge time) so designing a perfect surge arrestor is close to impossible. Even industrial surge protector guys such as Emerson etc usually do not offer any sort of guarantee.

In fact some manufacturers put multiple MOVs across the same system in hopes that one of them 'catches' the strike. Theoretically installing a MOV at the 'entrance' is a good industry practice but there is no concrete proof that installing elsewhere along the PCC (Point of common coupling) affects the efficiency of the surge arrestor system.

If you have an expensive equipment, investing in a proper surge arrestor instead of Mr DIY is highly recommended biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM)
Yes, I know about those three lines protection.

In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge.

In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry):
user posted image
This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out.
I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket sweat.gif  and still pass SIRIM.
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pls dont tell me u r an electrical engineer
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 13 2018, 08:20 PM)
Even the protection voltage also wrong.
Should be 275
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we get single phase 220, 240v is rms value. peak is 220 X root(2).

275V hancur lor
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What do u expect? A few hundred ringgit quality when u just buy it for few bucks? Simple terms. U get what u pay for.
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QUOTE(waterjunk @ Aug 13 2018, 08:28 PM)
Well the truth about surge protection is electrical surges are kinda unpredictable in terms of amplitude (peak to peak volt) or duration (surge time) so designing a perfect surge arrestor is close to impossible. Even industrial surge protector guys such as Emerson etc usually do not offer any sort of guarantee.

In fact some manufacturers put multiple MOVs across the same system in hopes that one of them 'catches' the strike. Theoretically installing a MOV at the 'entrance' is a good industry practice but there is no concrete proof that installing elsewhere along the PCC (Point of common coupling) affects the efficiency of the surge arrestor system.

If you have an expensive equipment, investing in a proper surge arrestor instead of Mr DIY is highly recommended  biggrin.gif
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you can say its electrical energy in Joule. its one of the specs.
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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Aug 13 2018, 08:24 PM)
Anyway, when 1000V comes along, do you think that small MOV will help?

Industrial surge protection cost thousands of dollars. And most of all, they have good grounding (which also cost thousands to achieve).
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it can many-many volts.

it depends on how much electrical energy absorbed in Joule
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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Aug 13 2018, 08:03 PM)
Uncle must have failed electronics in college. The MOV is placed in the COMMON ground and neutral point - which is exactly the same as what you mentioned in the later post.
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it will work

but not a good design
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post Aug 13 2018, 08:37 PM

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lel these cheapo thing got surge protector? jew so gullible to believe them?
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 13 2018, 08:20 PM)
Even the protection voltage also wrong.
Should be 275
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betul la use 471
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Aug 13 2018, 08:37 PM)
lel these cheapo thing got surge protector? jew so gullible to believe them?
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if that MOV is not imitation, it can offer surge protection across Live n Neutral as per spec.

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