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Don't buy MR DIY Surge Protector powerstrip, The MOV is only protecting one socket.
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waterjunk
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Aug 13 2018, 07:46 PM
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The MOV is being installed across Line and Neutral which is correct. Since this is a single phase socket array, all the 3 (Line Neutral and Ground) are shorted together via the copper busbar. Therefore the potential differences between the sockets should be negligible.
More expensive surge arrestors will have MOV across line-line, line-neutral, neutral-ground and line-ground. Obviously this Mr DIY is just a extra precaution instead of full protection~ better than nothing i suppose haha
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waterjunk
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Aug 13 2018, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 07:56 PM) Yes, I know about those three lines protection. In MR DIY powerstrip, if there is power surge and all four switches are turned on, only Green socket will be protected from surge while the Blue, Orange and Red sockets will be hit by surge. In this case, the MOV should be installed as shown below in red line (Point of entry):  This way, all four sockets will be protected from surge coming from Live wire by redirecting surge to Neutral wire out. I have no idea why the MOV is installed that way protecting only one socket  and still pass SIRIM. Except electricity doesn't work that way. It will always travel along the path of least resistance. What the MOV does is to give it an easy alternative so the MOV burns up instead of your load. So essentially electricity doesn't really care whether it is 'nearer' or 'further' UNLESS there is added impedance which I don't believe to be the case because your power switch is barely 1' long... Try taking a multimeter and measure the resistance between your proposed location and the actual location. Probably u get less than 50ohms. When the surge comes in at 1,000 volt, it probably isn't going to care about the 50ohms haha.
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waterjunk
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Aug 13 2018, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:15 PM) Now that is something new...... If that the case, why do those high end surge protector MOVs normally located before the socket or load? Well the truth about surge protection is electrical surges are kinda unpredictable in terms of amplitude (peak to peak volt) or duration (surge time) so designing a perfect surge arrestor is close to impossible. Even industrial surge protector guys such as Emerson etc usually do not offer any sort of guarantee. In fact some manufacturers put multiple MOVs across the same system in hopes that one of them 'catches' the strike. Theoretically installing a MOV at the 'entrance' is a good industry practice but there is no concrete proof that installing elsewhere along the PCC (Point of common coupling) affects the efficiency of the surge arrestor system. If you have an expensive equipment, investing in a proper surge arrestor instead of Mr DIY is highly recommended
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waterjunk
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Aug 13 2018, 08:43 PM
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Mr DIY surge arrestor also can spark discussion LOL
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waterjunk
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Aug 13 2018, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:43 PM)  I just read what those manufacturers product training brochure mentioned about MOV placement......it recommends the MOV to be installed at 'entrance' of power input. Wouldn't installing MOV at 'entrance' mean that location is path of least resistance once the varistor start to conduct after encountering a surge?  I am not. But seriously, I am not planning to use it for 1000v or lightning strike protection, just day to day small surge from high powered motors/heaters (Neighbours car cleaning/washing business)  Using back your diagram,  If the impedance between the 2 points are negligible, then these 2 points are at the same electrical potential. I guess manufacturers don't know this value that's why they recommend putting at the 'entrance'? And Mr DIY probably installed it at whichever cheapest location
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waterjunk
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Aug 13 2018, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 13 2018, 08:59 PM) Hmm, make sense. So, sifu  ....Is it fine if I move current MOV location to entrance just to be safe? Or I just leave it as it is? Since I don't even know the impedance between those two points and MR DIY probably installed it randomly. I not sifu la lol. If you paranoid then make a trip to Jln Pasar, buy another MOV with same part number and stick it to the entrance also can. What makes u consider surge arrestors at the first place? If your lights dim while your neighbours wash their car it's better to check grounding instead
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