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 StashAway MY, New instrument for Malaysian?

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honsiong
post Dec 27 2018, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(B500 @ Dec 27 2018, 07:18 PM)
Hey guys, just curious. What are your risk index? I am currently at 13.5% but thinking if I should dial it up to 20%, considering that dividends from US bonds are subject to 30% withholding tax..
Feedback welcome. Thanks.
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Scroll up, they claim back withholding taxes for you.

Risk index should base on ur time horizon I guess, I go 36% coz I just started working and have decades to go.
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post Dec 27 2018, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(B500 @ Dec 27 2018, 07:31 PM)
True, they claim back a portion, but its super slow and delayed. Thanks for your feedback. I also have another question, upon adjusting the risk index, how soon does it take effect?
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From my experience dialing up from 18 to 36... in 1-2 days.

They go by a daily loop of converting currencies, selling, buying.
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post Dec 28 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Dec 28 2018, 10:22 AM)
Now can contact Stashaway through Whatsapp.
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Have to admit, that whatsapp button is annoying af.
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post Dec 29 2018, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 29 2018, 12:46 PM)
still cannot recoup the loss.
still in negative territory.
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Yea I have been seeing red most of the time from 2017Q3.

Just stick to consistent weekly deposits.
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post Dec 29 2018, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 29 2018, 05:44 PM)
any idea can weekly deposit for MBB?

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1. Open a CIMB account
2. Transfer all money from MBB to CIMB
3. Setup standing instruction on CIMB clicks
4. Flip a bird to MBB
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post Dec 30 2018, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Dec 30 2018, 04:05 AM)
honsiong

Here is what I understand about the amount of tax refund from your screenshot. So, kindly correct my misunderstanding, if there is any.
Dividend Withholding Tax = 30% of the Dividend

Refund Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax = 46% of Dividend Withholding Tax
Refund Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax = 46% x 30% of the dividend = 13.8% of the dividend

Thus,

Unfunded Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax
= (100% - 46%) from Dividend Withholding Tax x 30% of the dividend = 54% x 30% of the dividend
= 16.2% of the dividend

In other words, StashAway and their broker Saxo are unable to assist in claiming back the remaining Dividend Withholding Tax (= 16.2% of the dividend), from the US tax authorities, since we Malaysians are not US tax resident.

So, we have to accept that 16.2% of the dividend is lost, and we have to reduce our dividend yield of our investment in StashAway accordingly.
Thank you for your clarification.  thumbup.gif
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Eh the specifics I think better ask their customer support. But the amount returned macam not that life changing also, so maybe you are right.


QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Dec 30 2018, 11:55 AM)
hi pals wanna enquire, for the wildholding tax refund, they will do it spontaneously?

or we need to request somewhere on the platform?
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Spontaneously.
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post Dec 30 2018, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Dec 30 2018, 04:05 AM)
honsiong

Here is what I understand about the amount of tax refund from your screenshot. So, kindly correct my misunderstanding, if there is any.
Dividend Withholding Tax = 30% of the Dividend

Refund Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax = 46% of Dividend Withholding Tax
Refund Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax = 46% x 30% of the dividend = 13.8% of the dividend

Thus,

Unrefunded Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax
= (100% - 46%) from Dividend Withholding Tax x 30% of the dividend = 54% x 30% of the dividend
= 16.2% of the dividend

In other words, StashAway and their broker Saxo are unable to assist in claiming back the remaining Dividend Withholding Tax (= 16.2% of the dividend), from the US tax authorities, since we Malaysians are not US tax resident.

So, we have to accept that 16.2% of the dividend is lost, and we have to reduce our dividend yield of our investment in StashAway accordingly.
Thank you for your clarification.  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 30 2018, 12:47 PM)
I re read and re read. I still don't understand the tax part.

so conclusion, are we very obvious at the losing part due to the tax?

or the claimant amount negligible?

16% seems a lot.

and the dividend etf with withholding tax... what's the point of dividend etf? isn't it useless??
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Just compiled all dividend payouts in FY 2017.

For each bonds:
1. x = sum of payouts in 2017
2. dividend_before_tax = x * 10 / 7 // coz 30% deducted
3. reimburse_% = reimbursed_amount / dividend_before_tax

user posted image

I may have make mistakes here, so the gov bonds macam refund all the withholding taxes, except CWB.

This post has been edited by honsiong: Dec 30 2018, 02:48 PM
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post Dec 30 2018, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Dec 30 2018, 04:46 PM)
Ok, honsiong, thanks for compiling the information, for the sake of comparison.  thumbup.gif

Your previous post said that StashAway credits refund amount from dividend withholding tax into your account in October, for the investment performed in the preceding year.
For each gov bond, was the crediting of the refund amount done in a single transaction, or multiple transactions?
Maybe, for your case, StashAway refunded 46% of Dividend Withholding Tax in the first transaction, and then credited the remaining 54% in the second transactions. Both crediting transactions were performed in October this year.
Your screenshot of your Google sheet shows that StashAway managed to refund almost all Dividend Withholding Tax (= 30% of the Dividend) automatically, and that is good. smile.gif
Maybe, you just remind StashAway to refund the remaining Dividend Withholding Tax for CWB (30% - 7.09% = 20.91%), as it is rightfully your money. With that final refund, you are all good.
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The 46% is not constant and varies from investor to investor. This blogger's email only write 34% as opposed to my 46%. I suspect it has a lot to do with CWB's nature?

The crediting is done once for each bond on the same day.

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post Dec 31 2018, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 31 2018, 09:17 PM)
Yes long run better to choose 36% as it give more return
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Not advisable for those who can’t be sure of their risk appetite.

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post Jan 1 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(yeowhock @ Jan 1 2019, 10:23 AM)
just a reminder, becareful with fees and charges, dca too often may not be a good idea, dca can eat up your profit sometimes
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They don’t charge on deposit.
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post Jan 1 2019, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 1 2019, 06:33 PM)
Today already 1-1-2019, why the DEC 2018 statement is not there yet?
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Got delay few days, ur banks also dont generate statement PDF that fast mah.
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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Jan 2 2019, 02:27 PM)
Why time the market if you believed in Stash Away or ETF investment as your choice?

JL Collins says: "Time in the market is better than time the market", "Best day to invest was yesterday, second best day is today"

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Timing the market is not good, but it's fun to do I guess. The best "timing the market" thing we do with StashAway is just DCA on every Monday.
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jan 2 2019, 03:51 PM)
really hope this SA stay strong and always there,  haha

since right now SA is my only one investment channel, other i not dare to touch since market not good and volatile.

BTW on SA, if i create multiple portfolio, let say portfolio A, and portfolio B
there is no ways for me to decide for let say i only want monly deposit 800 to A, but want to montly deposit 1000 to B?

the deposit will be auto split to half for both portfolio?
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Correct, it doesn't matter how much you actually deposit.

If you want to force the deposit to go into a portfolio, set it in one-off deposit, that will be prioritised.

If you have no one-off deposit configured, it will invest into portfolios proportionate to your monthly deposit settings.
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post Jan 2 2019, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 2 2019, 08:43 PM)
Not sure what the purpose of 1 time off investment vs monthly investment
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Let's say you got A with monthly $300, B with monthly $200, no one-off deposit is set for both:

- You deposit $1000 => $600 go into A, $400 go into B

Let's say you got A with monthly $300, one-off $400, and B with monthly $200, no one-off:

- You deposit $200, A gets $200, B gets nothing
- You deposit $500, A gets $460, B gets $40... because A gets one-off 400 + monthly 60% from the rest

After a one-off deposit gets filled up, it will reset to $0. You can use it as a tool to direct your year end bonus into a goal on your choosing.

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post Jan 3 2019, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jan 3 2019, 05:56 PM)
how the average calculation works?  :confused:
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The asset value only updates once daily... so just daily snapshot
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post Jan 4 2019, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jan 4 2019, 03:49 PM)
hey asking a noobie question here

By saying buying ETF is safer than buying stock
since ETF wont outperform underlying stock
buy might underperform

If there is a crisis of stock market crash/ disaster
the impact would be much lower than normal stock also?
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Define normal stock.

It’s not buying ETF is safer, ETF simply tracks an index and it turns out most active traders underperform vs indexes.

There are dangerous ETF like short shares, leverage etc.

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post Jan 4 2019, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jan 4 2019, 04:01 PM)
normal stock like buying apple or facebook etc.

newbie to investment, hope u guys dont mind  smile.gif
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Index ETFs are much much safer. 1 company go down will impact your portfolio much much less when you indirectly own 500s of them.

In a way, you are not betting on just a company, you are investing in the economy at large.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 4 2019, 09:22 PM)
-0.5 MYR
+0.8 USD

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post Jan 6 2019, 12:52 AM

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Except CWB, All treasury bonds you will have your taxes returned, I posted this a few pages ago with my own FY2017 data.

Dividends are not taxed bcoz corporate level taxed ady.

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Jan 6 2019, 01:07 AM)
I see that risk of 30% and above has no fixed income (bonds) in it.

Wait so the withholding tax doesnt impact dividends then? As in already taxed in corp level?
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IIRC yeap, except CWB. Check with customer support.

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