I can safely say majority of the football fans here in malaysia r EPL followers....rarely i c ppl for example follow italian league or spanish league n not EPL. Mebbe it's the language barrier. But generally EPL games tend 2 b more physical n a test of the endurance.

sorry to say.... epl.... promoting too much... but cannot go to world cup... whats wrong??????

guess in the first person in this topic that do not like epl...not to say do not like, but not reli into epl, usually every weekend, i only watch liverpool in action, other than that, very very seldom...maybe coz i think it's being promoted too much...and rightly so, coz everyone understands english and hardly there are people who understand spanish or italian...for myself, i prefer a more technical type of football game...skills...stepovers...through passes...which is also the reason why i love the la liga...but come to the end...everyone has his own preference...

Just because EPL is one of the popular league that watched by a lot of people, that doesn't mean that England will surely do well in international tournaments (World Cup, Euro & etc).

In league games, the players playing with their clubs mates week in week out while for England, how many games do they actually play together before a competitive game?

The popularity of EPL somehow raised the expectation of the media/supporters towards the national team.

Back to topic, I think some people might dislike EPL by comparing the performance of England in international games where they think the players are overated/etc?

I don't think it's a case of not liking EPL. It's more of preference of another league over the EPL. I have nothing against the EPL and i do watch some matches. I like the high tempo game that is played but the quality of some teams outside the top 4 leave alot to be desired. So i still prefer watching La Liga because their teams are better technically.

Language barrier is one of the reasons why most Malaysians watch EPL.

I dont know anyone that i know dislike EPL so it hard to say why there are that kind of people. But for me i don't see over promote or unable to win world cup or anything should be the reason to dislike EPL.

i know alot of people dislike england during world cup but i had yet to meet someone who dislike epl. its probably some weird reason for someone to hate epl

Well, maybe those who don't like EPL feels that there's less "pure" football skills compare to other leagues.

big LOL there. i tot most people only think that Serie A is boring ?

I have yet to meet anyone who dislikes the EPL... It's probably the only league that most Malaysians are interested in, seeing how commercialised it is and the big money involved in the clubs...

sometimes i watched La Liga ...only to see Barca games

sometimes i watched Serie A ...only wanna see AC Milan and AS Roma match.



For EPL ...only Man U aaaa ..none other than that

The way I see it, fans nowadays are looking to be entertained, just like the American's and their suggestion to increase the size of the goal, to see more goals in a match. The EPL is arguably the fastest league around and players don't get that much time on the ball. The Arsenal team of 2004/2005 took an average of 12 seconds to bring up the ball from their half and have a shot on goal, when on the counter attach. I dare say not many teams can match this. From the days of old, teams that have adopted the pass and move approach have garnered much success (i.e. Liverpool of the 70's/80's & Man Utd of the 90's to current). Players are encouraged not to spend too much time on the ball and to keep it moving. In training sessions, coaches would dish out punishment to anyone that kept the ball for more than 5 seconds. This meant that the game was played at a higher tempo.

You seldom see fans today appreciate the technical side of the game, all they want is to see a good pace to the game, and players with good individual flair and ability. This is why when teams adopt a more technical approach, they are deemed to be boring, just because they don't play at a high tempo. This is the reason I feel many EPL fans do not appreciate the Serie A. A huge majority of fans today only recognise players that score a truck load of goals or can do a million stepovers in under 10 seconds. They fail to recognise players with strong fundamentals that make the game look easy with their anticipation and reading of the game. They'd much prefer player that dive into tackles with such force, sending the ball into row Z. I repeat, most fans today (especially younger ones) look to be entertained, and a game played at a high tempo is arguable, more entertaining.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 25 2007, 11:06 AM

In terms of technical ability the EPL certainly is behind Serie A and La Liga. But when it comes to speed of play, and bone crunching tackles - EPL tops. End of the day depends on what your own preferances actually - silky skills or thrills of tackle flying in.

for me Bundesliga is boring compare to Serie A.

Malaysian League is most boring compare to Bundesliga, Serie A and EPL...

Boring for some maybe but there are still ppl who follow and watch local league.

3 English team in Champions league Semi Final but none can win the CUP.

Serie A rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EPL (play like cow) Seria A (play with brain).

Read the 1st post by the TS again:



And this is the type of post which will spark potential flamewar

Yeah well judging by how insightful his post was, I think it's best not to honour it with a response.

Actually I much prefer Serie A than EPL, unfortunately the number of live telecasts of Serie A as well as time (mostly late nite) are not as good as EPL.

We cant really compare between the leagues now because the number of live telecasts as well as time is different for each league. If say La liga and EPL timezones were reversed, perhaps we'll get more la liga fans than epl?

well in truth, the EPL is much more exciting as most teams tend NOT to sit back and defend leads, and will really have a go for it. although it has long become a cliche, but the Serie A is really a tactical battle at most times, so for a fan to sit through 90 mins of such battles....susah a bit lah....

i have watched La Liga as well, more skilful and more unpredictable, but more of a mix of both EPL and Serie A. also, it's quite hard to go through matches when you are a neutral simply because no emotions will be displayed at all, thus i find it hard to watch games between, let's say, Real Madrid v Getafe as I don't follow these 2 teams closely. having said that, some of the big matches (like RM v Barca) are real treats to watch as form books normally go out the window, as well as tactical nous. football at its best i would say for such derbies, esp the Milan derby, el classico and of course, any London derbies...

italian , spanish and other league commentators quite sucks... especially italian league it boring n lame... i think that is a major factor why EPL is famous despite of promotion...

anyway, some people dont like EPL because England team not that good lah not same like EPL...last time they won world cup is 1966?? n now no more...

actually most of the Serie A matches play on times like 9pm or 10pm weekly. so the problem is simply bcoz no telecast for it due to the language barrier.


well not really. teams in Serie A no longer 'sit back n defence' most of the time now.

for 2 years in a row now, Serie A scored more goals than EPL n La Liga. of coz such stats do not prove anything, but surely Serie A is not like what many believe.

This post has been edited by Chrisky: May 25 2007, 03:47 PM

is that true then? maybe i'm still old school lah. but i have watched Milan games for the past few seasons, and still think that it's a major tactical battle as far as Milan is concerned barring the derbies which were out of this world! maybe it's for Milan lah, can't compared with the Romas and the Inters simply because I don't watch them!

In truth, I used to watch a fair share of Serie A matches back in the day. I have no favourite team but I did use to follow Inter back in the day of Mattheus, Brehme and Klinnmans. It was back when Napoli was still in the reckoning with Maradona and Careca in their fold.

i done a quick calculation, n what i got is EPL concluded with 931 goals, Serie A hav 930 with 10 games to go, n La Liga got 845 with 30 games remaining.

Serie A is still pretty much abt tactical of coz, as they usually wouldn't rush the ball upfront like EPL. its juz that teams now don't usually hold on with a 1 goal lead n sit back to block out the goal.

This post has been edited by Chrisky: May 25 2007, 04:19 PM

wow! not bad man you, mr statistics!

yup maybe you're right that nowadays they don't sit back and maybe try to make a game out of it. will watch out for that this week (since no more EPL)!

i agreed...tooo much about EPL..why MU still loose to AC Milan?..FMO Argentinian league
much2 better..

EPL is more fun to watch, more entertaining because more physical, fast paced, all attacking minded style with long balls. Nowadays many foreign manager comes so u tend to see lack of the english style of football. That's why Sir Alex is still considered the old school type manager. Tell me.. where can you see a team win 9-0 (United vs Ipswich Town at Old Trafford 1994-1995 Season), 8-1 (Forest vs United away at City Ground 1998-1999 Season) and even against AS Roma last season? Attacking minded bebeh... More fun to watch.

Don't think that EPL is played like cow as one genius suggested here. If so, then why do I see intelligent passing between most teams in EPL nowadays. Anyway the style in EPL now varies la, even Serie A also deploys attacking minded style already. No longer score, sit back and grind for a narrow win.

Most like to watch EPL because of many reasons la:

1. Atmostphere.. Only in EPL where all stadiums have fans seating near to the ground. Even no fences are there because of Hillsborough Tragedy and the Taylor Report. But it's so nice, where you can hear the fans singing..

2. Style of play.. Enough said.. attacking minded, physical

3. History of clubs.. Unique such as United's and Liverpool's

4. Language

5. Exposure.. Since the 80s la. Last time I remember.. Road To Wembley ditaja oleh Dunhill.. Gaya, mutu.. keunggulan..

6. Marketing strategy and others la.. merchandising such as jerseys (which helps made me a fanatic football jersey collector.. hehe)

But I don't think that other leagues are bad. All leagues have their own uniqueness and quality. La Liga has so many skillfull players because the latin players tend to settle there easily due to language and culture reasons... Like in the Astro advert la, the discipline of the Bundesliga, the skills of La Liga, the tactical minds of Serie A...

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Added on May 25, 2007, 6:24 pmIf Vidic and Ferdinand was fully fit at the match in San Siro, I think the scoreline might be different..

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: May 25 2007, 06:24 PM

[quote=schmeichel7,May 25 2007, 06:23 PM]
EPL is more fun to watch, more entertaining because more physical, fast paced, all attacking minded style with long balls. Nowadays many foreign manager comes so u tend to see lack of the english style of football. That's why Sir Alex is still considered the old school type manager. Tell me.. where can you see a team win 9-0 (United vs Ipswich Town at Old Trafford 1994-1995 Season), 8-1 (Forest vs United away at City Ground 1998-1999 Season) and even against AS Roma last season? Attacking minded bebeh... More fun to watch.

Don't think that EPL is played like cow as one genius suggested here. If so, then why do I see intelligent passing between most teams in EPL nowadays. Anyway the style in EPL now varies la, even Serie A also deploys attacking minded style already. No longer score, sit back and grind for a narrow win.

Most like to watch EPL because of many reasons la:

1. Atmostphere.. Only in EPL where all stadiums have fans seating near to the ground. Even no fences are there because of Hillsborough Tragedy and the Taylor Report. But it's so nice, where you can hear the fans singing..

2. Style of play.. Enough said.. attacking minded, physical

3. History of clubs.. Unique such as United's and Liverpool's

4. Language

5. Exposure.. Since the 80s la. Last time I remember.. Road To Wembley ditaja oleh Dunhill.. Gaya, mutu.. keunggulan..

6. Marketing strategy and others la.. merchandising such as jerseys (which helps made me a fanatic football jersey collector.. hehe)

But I don't think that other leagues are bad. All leagues have their own uniqueness and quality. La Liga has so many skillfull players because the latin players tend to settle there easily due to language and culture reasons... Like in the Astro advert la, the discipline of the Bundesliga, the skills of La Liga, the tactical minds of Serie A...

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Added on May 25, 2007, 6:24 pm

this mean tooo wide promotions of EPL...Spanish & english has same style of play..why spanish league not as glamour than EPL?

coz spanish league doesnt suit Malaysia time
EPL got better atmosphere, the cheer and better commentator as well
but i support a spanish club, that's y i dun have the feelin to watch EPL lolxx

yup..thats one of the reason..time not suitable..

for me it is because it is more to tactical, and not to the beauty of football

Forgot to add one more point, the time zone factor. Yes, La Liga is played mostly when it's night here (around 1am or 3am). But EPL very clever, they tend to set matches at early afternoon or evening for asian viewing. They know how strong the market is here..

So true man. People in Asia are considered lucky to have live EPL telecast, perhaps 2-3 games a day. The Premierleague has been extremely successful marketing the EPL in the Asian region. But here in the UK, Skysports only showed sometimes 1 game perweekend. Even the locals are always complaining. Matches kicked-off at 3pm UK time (10-11 Malaysian time) are quite rare to be seen live on the telly, unless the pubs have satellite dishes to receive coverage from other parts of the world, mainly from the Middle East.

Hehehe.. I even heard a story where a match 10 years ago (Everton vs Newcastle when Les Ferdinand was their number 9) was being criticized by the Church because it was played on sunday in the morning.. Hehehe.. Maybe because of marketing factor?

Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal knew about the big market in Asia. They took the opportunity to travel here to expand their market... For the good or bad, that's the fact

for me. i like the commentator in EPL talking and analysis the match so well..compare to serie A..its commentator very boring..fall asleep few times..haha

MUAHAHAHA U JUST SPEAK MY MIND,BROTHER

CHEERS FOR AZZURI

That is truely insulting to EPL fans.

Nothing is about bored or cow or brainless. Both league or even comparing to other country league also playing different style or tactically. Some people prefer those football with million of individual skill to dribble but some people like those ball passing player to player, beautiful playing around. It is all depends on the PEOPLE who watching the football.

yesss dude..commentator role is important too..malaysian commentator can make me sleepy..

i love to watch la liga as well if it is at saturday nite...like 10pm...

but 3am in the morning...is killing me...

how bout bundesliga..hehehe...

i like epl bcos of the pace , i like serie a bcos i can learn a lot ( they play slower & easier to follow). i like la liga bcos it is unpredictable

true... both serie A n la liga in supersports boring bcoz of the commentator r boring and also the epl hv better quality live telecast. u can here all the fans singing n cheering clearly compared to live telecast in supersports... but still... every league hv their own type of play.. i like to watch all the league in europe...

la liga has a lot a skill and beautiful playing(because a lot of brazillian and argentina player in la liga),epl only kick and run styles huuhhh so boring

Because it's over hyped and it isn't the best league in the world, just the most commercially lucrative one.

for me, beside playing style. epl have the best looking presentation (camera view), the only league to use "real football stadium", most consistant jersey design, some "interesting managers"

well even ppl rated spanish league is the best but yet spain didnt perform at world cup stage.

true, epl have 2 commentator whilst the others 1.
and their commentings are like a drone.

look at arsenal! henry in particular
i like la liga before when zidane, figo was still playing, mesmerizing football those days.
now? ronaldinho kicking at peoples balls

imo...yes...spain did not perform at the world cup stage...in this case, serie A will be the best league since italy has just won the world cup...and england is no where near the best league as the national team has not perform to satisfactory level for ages...different ppl has their own preference...la liga is very technical...u can hardly see ppl kick the ball then run chasing the ball...its just that i think most people would prefer football with high level of flair and technicality...epl is too vastly promoted...with lotsa $$$ involved...everybody is saying there are lotsa superb players in epl,partly due to the fact the ppl always see them playin live on tv week in and week out...no doubt there are lotsa great player in epl...but other league do have lotsa great players as well...players like de la pena...jesus navas...luis garcia...david silva...raul albiol...marcos senna etc...are not getting as much hype as of those in epl...

The quality of a league has little relevance to the quality of it's international side. Why? Have you seen the number of foreign players these days? If the quality of the league reflected the quality of the international side, France would not have gotten to the World Cup Finals.

I love EPL cuz they play straight-forward football...sure u can say tat's boring or anythin but den again how many teams can go against MU ( full squad ) chelsea liverpool and Arsenal?

Ppl might say they play hit and run football but tat's da beauty of EPL games..They play pacey and breath-takin football..football is about entertainning the fans and Eng fans and most of the World loves EPL due to the fact that EPL play fast and direct football...

there's no way one can say which is the better league out there..but i reckon the Brazilian League is the best as Brazil won the most in terms of World Cup rite?

and to the one who say EPL teams play like cows i muz say he's either brainless or simply being stupid..dun try to provoke EPL supporters here as it aint funny...

Ok let me be honest. In terms of the way they play,yes i agree it's up to different people's preferences and i have nothing against people who says epl is not as interesting as some other leagues.

What made the difference is like what most people said here,the language and commentators. 1st,most people only understands english. Secondly,EPL commentators make the game more lively. I've seen some other league games commentated by their own people and some of it really sounds boring.

The problem is i JUST DON'T understand what has over promoting a league got to do with some people. They don't like epl coz it's overpromoted??What??Give me a break! That's the most pathetic and ridiculous reason i've ever heard.

I've heard some people saying here that england can't even make it far in the WC. For goodness' sake, please take a good look at epl. There are so many foreigners playing in epl. So what has epl's quality got to do with England's WC achievements?

This post has been edited by eksk86: Jun 7 2007, 02:55 AM

i believe when they say over-promoting, what they're trying to say is there are other nice leagues out there to be watched.

this unfortunately come from people who don't understand that how far a team goes does not depend on how many star players you have, and also they probably thing EPL teams have only English players.

3 teams in the last 4 of the CL... greatest league in the world...

however... Italy are World Champions & Milan are European Champions...

Spot on, the quality of commentators is crucial. You can say the same of other sports such as the F1, tennis, badminton... actually just about any other sport in the world. Have you tried watching a European game on local TV? It's really painful and I would not recommend it to my worst enemy. The South American leagues have pretty good commentators. Well I can't understand what's being said but they get really excited and it rubs of. I can still hear one of them going "Goallllll... go.. go...go...go...go... goaaallllll!!!!".

I believe it's like this. Against Brazil, David Beckham's pictures were on every major paper and they were talking about how he conquered Brazil, but who has MOM again? That's right, Steven Gerrard, but I bet a good portion of people thought it was Beckham, am I wrong? You can see how publicity can sometimes distort the truth and I believe this is what the category of people are you referring to mean.

A good portion fans only watch the EPL and of that portion, there is a sizeable amount that only watch their teams. How then are they supposed to determine which league is best when they've never seen a La Liga or Serie A match?

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Added on June 7, 2007, 12:43 pmYou're beginning to sound like a broken record mate.

Firstly, Italy being crowned world champions does not reflect the quality of the league. As many of us have mentioned earlier, teams consist of many foreigners these days. Your best player is Brazilian and so is your best rightback, your somewhat chubby forward and no.1 keeper. Need I mention Leonardo and Rivaldo? Last I checked, Seedorf was Dutch.

Secondly, you said it yourself, 3 English teams made the semi's, that not enough? In the past 3 seasons, English teams have made the finals. Look at the bigger picture mate and not just focus on one season. While I will not begin a debate on which league is better, the EPL is certainly on the ascendancy.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 7 2007, 12:44 PM

Don be silly mates..

what about MILAN leading 3-0..@ the 1st half ..then lost the CL final to KOPS?
are they brainless? or ... ??

Think properly before you comment..
It's just different leagues suit different taste of peoples..

You telling me Malaysians are born to like the EPL? Cause it sure is hard to find a non-EPL fan around here. It's just the media brainwashing you guys.

i got no comment on which league is better,but im sure u didnt read his comment at all,he said



and what for u quote and reply with a misleading post?

Well thats too bad.

Most of us here support the club they FIRST see and like alot.
And since the media highlights EPL clubs more then anything , it is natural that if a person see the club he likes first , he would most likely stick to that club regardless of what he sees after.

Glory hunters are uniquely excluded as they dont deserve to be called football fans.

Why some ppl hate EPL ? IMO , they just cant stand that some EPL clubs get more hype then their club from other league , hence the dislike.
(incoming flame expected)

Brother, did u read those posts earlier?
and i never said Malaysians are born to like EPL..
Their comments are truly unaccepted and bear no connotations.

Why don't you ask those people why is the epl getting more hype then clubs from other leagues instead?? The fact is epl,if i'm not wrong, has the most spectators among other leagues. Language is an important reason as well(has been pointed out countless times). This is how they make money. By promoting the most watched league in the world. Even Tourism Malaysia and Air Asia became sponsors for Man Utd. Reason?

If whatever you stated above is the reason why ppl hate epl, then you shd hate the media instead. It's business my friend. This is very normal. EPL is just like a gold mine for them.

This post has been edited by eksk86: Jun 8 2007, 01:20 PM

It's arguable which is the better league but the EPL is certainly the most popular. We don't always have to support the best league, just like we don't all support the best teams. If you want to lend support to the best league, look to South America. I just watched a game between Boca Juniors and (can't remember who) and the atmosphere was electric, so was the game. In recent years, Europe's best have come up against Brazilian opposition in the finals of the FIFA World Club Cup, and have been found wanting. Liverpool were beaten by Sao Paulo in 2005 while Barcelona was beaten by Internacional in 2006. That's twice in 2 years Europe's best teams were beaten by South America's best.

People support the EPL because it's the most popular, not because it's the best.

for me the reason is EPL is too tactical...then focus more on the tactical not on the beauty of football..we as the supporters would like to see skills,nice movement and creative game play...but in EPL all those things is very hard to see...that's my opinion..

is it? but most of player who "established" abroad, cannot adapt to the Premiership..
let say, Sheva (Serie A), Ballack (Bundesliga), and Carew (i wondder why Villa didn't make him play - his damn good at Lyon)..
simple to say - EPL gives better challenges, harder and faster

and one more thing - EPL live matches aired from 7pm - 1am and sometimes 3am if mid-week matches..

La-Liga and others - kind of hard because its too damn late..got to work etc..

I'm not a pro-EPL..but just an opinion from football lover who watch every football game he could even our own Malaysian League

This post has been edited by kepet: Jun 8 2007, 03:16 PM

But you aren't looking at the number of players that have adapted. Just because they can't adapt to the EPL doesn't mean it's a better league, it just means it's a different league.

yeah..but mostly young players..like arjen, cristiano, tevez, martins, maccarthy and lots of gunners youngsters hehe
and notice what, most brazillian cannot play in EPL - seriously because of the language and also they afraid gonna patah kaki if joga bonito too much.
EPL's tackle are the most dangerous i've seen compared to others

i've respect la liga,serie A, and bundesliga in terms of refereeing.
the referee are really protecting the player including goal-keeper..even small amount of pulling the shirt they will blow the whistle
even the player cannot involve in ref decision..
that's why you can see why in EPL, player always surround the ref, makes him difficult to make decision and keeper got injured on the head or anywhere..no protection from the ref at all
that's EPL

This post has been edited by kepet: Jun 8 2007, 03:40 PM

That's one thing I like about the EPL, bone crunching tackles! This is a game for men, not fairies! I've always liked the physical element of the EPL. So what if the players are less graceful, this isn't freaking ballet.

now we're talking..
there are certain things which are good and bad about one league
it's just up to us to justify..
you're a Kopfan are'nt u?
well, sori for the lost (Champs League)
i've felt the same last season

No worries mate, I'm a pretty patient bloke when it comes to my club. I've been waiting 17 years for a league titles, what's waiting another couple of years for the Champions League?

pure tasteless ppl...i mean those dun prefer

Yup, well said. If only all EPL fans would acknowledge that fact.

Er hello ....

Have you even heard people threatening to injure other players just because he do skill in EPL ?

Well , i've heard countless of this in Brazil where the football is suppose to be exciting

what i mean is they can't dribble as much as they like..
no space to dribble, EPL tackles fast..not that i say there is none..
i.e: Okocha, Cristiano, Thierry "the king" Henry etc..
they dribb sometimes..and some of it was most beautiful ever..

i know what u mean by the incident in Brazil, its been a riot because the player Ole! each other..the fans also fighting among themselves..

sori for not specific the idea..hopefully i dont get wronged again

Please stay on topic guys/gals. This is not about what is the best league. If you don't have anything to say why you like or dislike EPL, stay away from the topic or you might have to open a new thread for a new different topic. And please no more spamming - by posting one line statements such as EPL sucks, EPL boring etc.

No doubt about that. No thanks to the media exposure, extensive coverage, etc.

And with that come sponsors, and more coverage....vicious cycle that.

But really appreciate the fact that one pay-tv channel in Malaysia took the initiative and got rights to Serie A, La Liga and Bundesliga as well, really helped those leagues to grow albeit not in tandem with the EPL. at least more and more fans are exposed to different leagues, and not just limited to one.

Hopefully Astro will take up the initiative. I'm sure there are many Malaysians out there who haven't been properly exposed to the La Liga and Serie A. Parents who are EPL fans have their kids watch EPL games turning them into EPL fans and the cycle goes on.

Well its a good cycle actually as EPL teams tend to give ppl the adrenaline rush for each games they play..EPL is more direct and applies a no-nonsense approach while La Liga is more to individual skills and Seria A for its tactical prowess..Epl gives fans a direct understanding of football and easier approach if one is to start football..La Liga is abit hard as they emphasizes skills and flairs and its kinda hard for a beginner..whereas Seria A will give headaches to newbies as they play around the ball too often and to an extend slow..

Newbies will find it 'unattractive' as they prefer a more direct and 'beautiful' approach of football..So EPL will be newbies' target of attraction at 1st...

i guess the atmosphere in the english premier league is better compared to other leagues in europe..the english fan is more passionate...
week in week out epl stadiums are full house...they support their team till death..
i prefer the EPL compared to other leagues coz i know more teams and players in the EPL than in the other leagues...prob coz of astro telecast..

yupp i think the media plays a really important part in making a certain league popular...well im glad tat they showed EPL anyways..

You got an acceptable theory. But either way once people start to watch the EPL, it's highly unlikely they'll switch leagues.

epl stadiums are full house bcoz their stadium is small than serie A and la liga stadium,that why epl stadium so crowded

EPL not support their team till death,they kill other fan to support their team,EPL and England fan (holigan) always make a problem to the police and sometime kill their oppenant fan

u got source for that not? some stadium in serie A only got like 19K capacity,while EPL lowest is 20K+ (portsmouth if not mistaken),and most stadium is 30K above, derby county also got 35k, not to mention sunderland,newcastle,liverpool,chelsea,everton and more which is 40K+ ,emirate stadium and most scary of all,theatre of dreams which is 72k fully occupied ....

Small ??

hahahahahahaha.

Find me a stadium in Serie A and La Liga which gets 90% capacity for every match.

heck , in turin , 600 ppl turn up for a cup game against lower opponents , but 60 000 ppl turn up for ManUtd cup game against a semi-proffesional non-league team like exeter

English supporters are some of the most passionate in the world. That cannot be in doubt.

But i want to add that the Spanish aren't that bad either. The problem is the coverage we get of La Liga doesn't capture the atmosphere as well as the coverage from Sky Sports. I know this because i've seen highlights by Sky Sports of games that i have watched on Astro...and i was astounded by the difference. You can really hear and feel the atmosphere.

The Bernabeu is always packed full to its 80k capacity the past few months. Though i admit that in some of the earlier Spanish Cup games we dont get full houses but we still do generally fill more than half which is better than nothing.

Pretty much the same for Old Trafford. Packed to the 76k capacity that it has for every game, so that baseless accusations that the stadium are not packed is well, baseless. The only team I reckon that has a big stadium that has a problem to fill it is, Man City and their City of Manchester stadium. And so does Chelski. This ain't a personal attack I must remind though. It doesn't help that the tickets for the Chelski games is so damn expensive. With City I reckon it might be the kind of footy that they play.

uiiihhh so scary

http://www.stadiumguide.com/noucamp.htm

http://www.stadiumguide.com/bernabeu.htm

http://www.stadiumguide.com/oldtrafford.htm

see the link,Camp Nou and Bernebeu averege attandance is higher than Old Trafford
your most scary Theatre of Dream can hold 72,000 but CampNou only can hold 100,000 while Bernebeu only 80,000 the most not scary is Old Trafford only in same level with Mestalla and Vicente Calderon

56,000 Montjuic(Espanyol)
55,000 Manuel Ruiz de Lopera(Betis)
45,000 Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán(Seville)
40,000 San Mames(Bilbao)
35,000 La Romareda(Zaragoza)
34,600 Riazor(Deportivo)
32,000 Anoeta(Sociedad)
32,000 Balaidos(Vigo)

then you... find me a stadium in EPL which get over 70,000 every macth














This post has been edited by faris21: Jun 10 2007, 03:23 PM

Are you ignorant?? Or just plain blind??? Old Trafford gets 70k+ everytime a game is played there and it has been mentioned here over and over and over again. And pretty dumb ain't it comparing the capacity to the Bernabeu and Nou Camp when everyone knows that the Bernabeu and Nou Camp is bigger than OT. And saying that Nou Camp's and Bernabeu's average attendance is higher than OT is not really rocket science aint it ?? You dont even need a link for that

The argument that a stadium is full because it is small is dumb in IMO. City of Manchester stadium is rarely full and it is one of the biggest stadium in the country. So does Stamford Bridge but that is mostly due to the ticketing price which is the highest in England. A stadium is full is because of the following, not because of how big it is. Build OT up to 100k and it will still be full week in, week out.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jun 10 2007, 05:35 PM

air_mood is right. Capacity does not equal the amount of support a club has. Juventus recently decided to make their stadium smaller in fact just because there were too many empty seats. Barca has a 100k capacity stadium but it's hardly ever full...

please count by percentage of capacity filled .....

Camp nou everytime filled to 100k ??

And , Old Trafford is not the most intimidating , i know that. Anfield can be more intimidating.

However , all this still lose to Turkish stadium. Have you ever seen and hear their chants ?

if manu's stadium can put 120K fans inside,u think they got problem filling it up? many manu,liverpool fans cant even get ticket to go in the stadium coz of limited seats...and manu is every game 76K (according to air_mood) while liverpool,chelski,everton is 40K attendance almost every weekend ....u r putting highest record of attendance, this makes u look stupid

This post has been edited by akRia: Jun 10 2007, 11:30 PM