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DDG_Ross
post Aug 10 2018, 06:05 PM

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Search on for USS Essex Marine reported overboard in Sulu Sea

A Marine embarked aboard the USS Essex is believed to have gone overboard Friday morning, according to a statement by the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit.

Navy, Marine Corps and Philippine ships and aircraft were searching for the servicemember, who was reported overboard at 9:40 a.m. At the time, the Essex was “conducting routine operations in the Sulu Sea,” according to the statement.

Search-and-rescue efforts began immediately after the incident was reported, according to the statement. Officials did not release the Marine’s name, but said his or her family has been notified.

"It is an all-hands effort to find our missing marine," said Navy Capt. Gerald Olin, commander of Amphibious Squadron One and the on-scene commander of the search-and-rescue efforts. "All of our sailors, marines and available assets aboard the USS Essex have been and will continue to be involved in this incredibly important search and rescue operation."

Crew members conducted several searches inside the vessel, while aircraft embarked on the Essex have been used “round-the-clock” to search the Sulu Sea and Surigao Strait from above, according to the statement.

The Navy also sent P-8 Poseidon surveillance aircraft to expand the search area with the help of Philippine Coast Guard vessels. Altogether, the search-and-rescue efforts stretch about 3,000 nautical miles, according to the statement.

Col. Chandler Nelms, commander of the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit, said servicemembers “remain committed to searching for and finding our Marine.”

“As we continue our search operation, we ask that you keep our Marine and the Marine’s family in your thoughts and prayers,” he said in the statement.

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/search...lu-sea-1.541919
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post Aug 10 2018, 06:16 PM

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NPA rebels overrun Samar police station

Around 100 members of the New People’s Army raided the Lapinig Municipal Police Station in Northern Samar on Friday (Aug. 10) at 1:44 a.m.

According to a spot report received by Camp Crame, the terrorist group was armed with high-powered firearms such as UZI, K3 submachine guns, M16, M14 and M203.

The exchange of fire lasted for 15 minutes before the police station was overrun by the rebels.

Two policemen identified as PO2 Jerry Quilecol and PO1 Edizon Aguere were wounded in action.

Another two are missing in action. They are PINSP Noli Montibon and PO2 Mark Mejedo.

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/npa-rebels-overru...-013500976.html
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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Aug 9 2018, 11:10 AM)
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.

Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.

Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
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nah... better to just retire all those ol' Fulcrums and proceed with new MRCA.. Gripen pun Gripen la... asalkan ada..

but it would be nice to see Smokey Bandits in the air again... bye.gif
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post Aug 10 2018, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Aug 9 2018, 11:10 AM)
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.

Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.

Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
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igt ATSC dah tak ada da bila MIG bungkus...boleh ke nak idupkan balik upgrade mig tu? dorg simpan mig kat mana? celah pokok mana dorg simpan mig tu? huhuhuhu
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post Aug 10 2018, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 10 2018, 06:54 PM)
nah... better to just retire all those ol' Fulcrums and proceed with new MRCA.. Gripen pun Gripen la... asalkan ada..

but it would be nice to see Smokey Bandits in the air again...  bye.gif
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agreed..tapi beli banyak skit la..36 ke 44 ke...ari tu offer klu beli banyak dapat MPA free kan??ke dpt erieye free?
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post Aug 10 2018, 07:07 PM

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I was not aware the it is already quite advance in testing stage...they could literally build the MPF now if they want.



Once again ST is going up against industry giants. To me, getting this far - win or lose - is already a big plus to the prestige of ST. It attests to the quality and capability of SAF's network centric platforms.

When inducted into the SAF, the MPF will be the true replacements for the AMX-13 tanks; perhaps with a 120mm gun for commonality.

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Aug 10 2018, 07:06 PM)
agreed..tapi beli banyak skit la..36 ke 44 ke...ari tu offer klu beli banyak dapat MPA free kan??ke dpt erieye free?
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At least $80m sebiji mana mampu beli banyak
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post Aug 10 2018, 07:48 PM

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vote for yer trump's space force logo now!
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post Aug 10 2018, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Aug 10 2018, 04:37 PM)
hard to say bro. used to jungle tracking with fit athlete student before and they not that good. they tire easily although with no bags on shoulder compare to me a big guy with round stomach carry a bag which i have better endurance in long run. who know,maybe he a heavy smoker or drinking.
tudm have all the assets they need???i dont know about that bro. RMAF only have hornet and MKM as fast jet and look how far it expected. with hornet at labuan AFB and MKM at gong kedak,how can that be enough. even when mig is useable, it serve as intercepter but when it get shelves MKM is the replacement. even with all MKM and hornet at semenanjung it is not enough to cover it let alone whole Malaysia. hawk and aeramachi just more into trainer and low intensity strike with less speed.
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athletes trains fitness according to their particular sport, if you ask a long distance runner to carry high load, he/she might not be able to make it too... my peer runs marathons at sub 2:40 but she cant open ship hatch so she was kick out of the navy.. lol... but even if you dont have the strength, looking unfit doesnt instill confidence, young still ok, old very hard to lose already

if they have 70% of f-18 and mkm up and running that should suffice for minimum deterrent.. look at around the region.. MIG is a near gone case, better scrap it... russian planes dont have good frame life.. ... range is there for mkm to cover penin msia, but reaction time is too slow... problem is south penin with the closure of sg besi

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Aug 10 2018, 05:12 PM)
kamon la bang. entebbe, syria are by IDF secial forces, Golan heights is patrolled by the elite Golani while Sinai was against ill-equipped combatants. while against hezbollah in south lebanon, IDF went in with large numbers of reservist, which was met with fierce resistance against a smaller number of hezbollah fighters..
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special forces yes but still conscripts... golani is a combined arms mixed brigade unit, nothing more special than the other regional units... Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria during time of conflict were all better armed than most nation in asean

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 10 2018, 08:54 PM)
nah... better to just retire all those ol' Fulcrums and proceed with new MRCA.. Gripen pun Gripen la... asalkan ada..

but it would be nice to see Smokey Bandits in the air again...  bye.gif
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agreed

QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 10 2018, 09:07 PM)

Once again ST is going up against industry giants. To me, getting this far - win or lose - is already a big plus to the prestige of ST. It attests to the quality and capability of SAF's network centric platforms.

When inducted into the SAF, the MPF will be the true replacements for the AMX-13 tanks; perhaps with a 120mm gun for commonality.
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nah, the amx has already been replaced with leopard... NGAFV is to replace m113 and to a certain extent older bionix, 200 leopards is enough 120mm, new vehicle is to complement tanks with IFVs to form armour units or for mechanized infantry units
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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Aug 9 2018, 11:10 AM)
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.

Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.

Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
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lol, aku dah nampek benda ni miles away

Mig tu pendapat aku sendiri enough la, jual balik ke russia lagi baik pasal dari jual ke india atau sedekah kat University
tp kalo MIG29NM proceed

kayo rayo laaaaaa
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 10 2018, 07:07 PM)
I was not aware the it is already quite advance in testing stage...they could literally build the MPF now if they want.



Once again ST is going up against industry giants. To me, getting this far - win or lose - is already a big plus to the prestige of ST. It attests to the quality and capability of SAF's network centric platforms.

When inducted into the SAF, the MPF will be the true replacements for the AMX-13 tanks; perhaps with a 120mm gun for commonality.
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Interesting that it seems everybody from SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF, Otokar Tulpar Light Tank and Pindad/FNSS Medium tank are using the same Cockerill 3105 Turret.

This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 10 2018, 09:43 PM
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post Aug 10 2018, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 10 2018, 08:53 PM)
athletes trains fitness according to their particular sport, if you ask a long distance runner to carry high load, he/she might not be able to make it too... my peer runs marathons at sub 2:40 but she cant open ship hatch so she was kick out of the navy.. lol... but even if you dont have the strength, looking unfit doesnt instill confidence, young still ok, old very hard to lose already

if they have 70% of f-18 and mkm up and running that should suffice for minimum deterrent.. look at around the region.. MIG is a near gone case, better scrap it... russian planes dont have good frame life.. ... range is there for mkm to cover penin msia, but reaction time is too slow... problem is south penin with the closure of sg besi

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that is why i said, its hard to say. the better term is "fit for duty". as long as they within those classification,its alright.

i think hornet and MKM already within range 70% readiness before. the reason the readiness drop only because the 10th year maintenance start late and no planning ahead. reaction time is what can be expected with that amount. with X no. in maintenance, other in training and operation and X no. on base for QRA,just how much left??a lot of thing need to be improve and RMAF need to join more AF exercise with other country to see what they lack and learn.

i read before that MIG have been abandon by its manufacturer to pursuit 5th gen aircraft,that is why its become hard to use it(no support). RMAF know this and they already tired with Russian made so that is why last 4 candidate was all western made. hopefully no other politician in new govt suggest to use MIG just too save money.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 10 2018, 09:31 PM)
Interesting that it seems everybody from SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF, Otokar Tulpar Light Tank and Pindad/FNSS Medium tank are using the same Cockerill 3105 Turret.
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As a fire support vehicle, it is great for urban operations with high and low angles of fire.

Hmmm...I do not know why you keep calling these vehicles medium tanks as if all these vehicles are tanks. These are 30 ton class armored vehicles with 105mm cannons no matter what design configuration they come in. They are not tanks. Is the J26 ton apanese Type 16 a tank with a 105mm cannon? Boxer and Puma IFVs are better armored and heavier than all 3 without 105mm cannons.

Is it for domestic consumption.. you "designed" tank? And what is a light tank? A IFV with 30mm/40mm cannon? I get it. It sounds good. Np. You have a 30 ton plus "tank".

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 10 2018, 10:21 PM)
As a fire support vehicle, it is great for urban operations with high and low angles of fire.

Hmmm...I do not know why you keep calling these vehicles medium tanks as if all these vehicles are tanks. These are 30 ton class armored vehicles with 105mm cannons no matter what design configuration they come in. They are not tanks. Is the J26 ton apanese Type 16 a tank with a 105mm cannon? Boxer and Puma IFVs are better armored and heavier than all 3 without 105mm cannons.

Is it for domestic consumption.. you "designed" tank? And what is a light tank? A IFV with 30mm/40mm cannon? I get it. It sounds good. Np. You have a 30 ton plus "tank".
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You think that Pindad/FNSS is the only company calling its tracked vehicle with 105mm a Medium Tank?

Tell that to BAE and Hanwha.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/eurosatory_...he_cv90105.html

https://defence-blog.com/army/hanwha-defens...le-chassis.html



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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 10 2018, 11:02 PM)
You think that Pindad/FNSS is the only company calling its tracked vehicle with 105mm a Medium Tank?

Tell that to BAE and Hanwha.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/eurosatory_...he_cv90105.html

https://defence-blog.com/army/hanwha-defens...le-chassis.html
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So why is the tulpar a light tank and not a medium tank? I asked as to what constitute a medium or light tank. And why some 30 ton class armored vehicles aremt? You hit the nail on its head when you referenced sales/marketing pitches.

In no way does it detract from the main fact that these are essentially 30 ton class armored vehicles. You just put a large cannon on top. You can also call a jeep with a 105mm recoiless rifle a compact light tank.

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 10 2018, 11:14 PM)
So why is the tulpar a light tank and not a medium tank? I asked as to what constitute a medium  or light tank. And why some 30 ton class armored vehicles aremt? You hit the nail on its head when you referenced sales/marketing pitches.

In no way does it detract from the main fact that these are essentially 30 ton class armored vehicles. You just put a large cannon on top. You can also call a jeep with a 105mm recoiless rifle a compact light tank.
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Even the US Army is calling the MPF a light/medium tank. Heck even if they want to call it Super Tank let them be.

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The army hopes a new MPF platform can quickly deploy with relatively low logistics demand but enough protection and firepower – likely a light- to medium-tank – to ensure the infantry's freedom of action.

In October 2016 GDLS unveiled a medium-weight tracked vehicle demonstrator, called the Griffin, which meshes elements of the turret and the 120 mm cannon from an M1A1/M1A2 Abrams main battle tank with the company's Ajax Scout Specialist Vehicle. However, the source told Jane’s that GDLS’ bid for MPF has evolved beyond the Griffin.

https://www.janes.com/article/78330/us-army...-firepower-tank


The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank weight is 35 tons. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, the matters is that someone is buying this tracked vehicle and that is the Indonesian Army with first batch order of 100 units. The Philippine is also a potential export customer. You don't want your vehicle to be just a technology demonstrator.

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 10 2018, 09:31 PM)
Interesting that it seems everybody from SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF, Otokar Tulpar Light Tank and Pindad/FNSS Medium tank are using the same Cockerill 3105 Turret.
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easier to buy off the self than to develop own version


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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 11 2018, 12:06 AM)
easier to buy off the self than to develop own version
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Well there is the Leonardo Hitfact II Turret like on this Rheinmetall Marder Medium Tank:

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Aug 10 2018, 11:32 PM)
that is why i said, its hard to say. the better term is "fit for duty". as long as they within those classification,its alright.

i think hornet and MKM already within range 70% readiness before. the reason the readiness drop only because the 10th year maintenance start late and no planning ahead. reaction time is what can be expected with that amount. with X no. in maintenance, other in training and operation and X no. on base for QRA,just how much left??a lot of thing need to be improve and RMAF need to join more AF exercise with other country to see what they lack and learn.

i read before that MIG have been abandon by its manufacturer to pursuit 5th gen aircraft,that is why its become hard to use it(no support). RMAF know this and they already tired with Russian made so that is why last 4 candidate was all western made. hopefully no other politician in new govt suggest to use MIG just too save money.
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yes, can be fit for duty but it does not instill confidence or image... especially during overseas programs

nah, skip those good will exercises... some shiok sendiri one... pitch black was probably planned a while ago... but now with only 4 mkms avail, they should not even attend... peenoise scum cause trouble who's gonna bomb them

its not just MIG, its all russian planes... maybe land vehicles too... just that parts for land vehicles are easier to self fabricate/buy clones from prc... planes are harder... su-27/30 same shit with spare parts... dont forget MIG-29 is still being flown by their naval air unit...

western yes, but eu also got prob... murican plane cannot bomb singkie, so how? gripen? korean? jap?

QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 11 2018, 01:41 AM)
Even the US Army is calling the MPF a light/medium tank. Heck even if they want to call it Super Tank let them be.
The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank weight is 35 tons. It doesn't matter what you want to call it,  the matters is that someone is buying this tracked vehicle and that is the Indonesian Army with first batch order of 100 units. The Philippine is also a potential export customer. You don't want your vehicle to be just a technology demonstrator.
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i think 30tons and above with no ability to carry units is ok to call light/med tank...
but if it is able to carry units, might as well call it ifv...
below 30ton with light weaponry but can carry unit probably apc,
if cannot carry then technical... lelz

that doesnt mean by calling it ifv it is inferior in terms of armor, namer is called an apc or lightly armed ifv...

QUOTE(Peiyantiu @ Aug 11 2018, 02:02 AM)
These light/medium "tanks" can tahan 40mm cannon hit from let say CV90 ??
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not so straight forward these days... tahan hit which part? what kind of shell? with or without modular armor package?

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These light/medium "tanks" can tahan 40mm cannon hit from let say CV90 ??
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I don't think so. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is Stanag Level 5 can only tahan against 25mm cannon at 500 m. The Tulpar Light Tank is Stanag Level 2 but can be upgraded to Level 5.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4569

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