hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi

There is my uncle there...on the left

Indonesian Army Kostrad 1st Cavalry Battalion Leopard 2A4 & Leopard 2RI MBT live firing. Credit to Yonkav 1 Kostrad.

why he stand so far... how old is he?
new pangkonstrad very sexy

hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi

why he stand so far... how old is he?
new pangkonstrad very sexy

There is ground based MICA VL too

NASAM need American support

sos bro???really want to know who wrote this. or its you who wrote it?

logistic is the nightmare of country such as Malaysia and Indonesia since separate by ocean. it need a lot of resources to cover and some place in budget need to be sacrifice to keep it up. can the politician accept that???

a lot of things need to be study before adapting any SAM for Malaysia. preferably GAPU should be in charge for all this asset and be place under each service. but its hard to get all those work together.

best for Malaysia is SAMP/T(aster) or NASAMS(I read somewhere it can use ESSM) since both have naval variant that can be used by navy so cost saving

hm.....hard to say bro. IMO the best option for navy was ESSM and not VL MICA. the reason MICA was choose because its fire and forget and easier to use compare to ESSM. but ESSM Block II seems better with improve guidance. what your pick on this?

NASAM need American support?so??is there any issue with US?so far US support can be consider good as they consider money as rule. as long as we have money,they will do.

indeed ground base radar/defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range...  you want to protect your sky....u need air force....

In fantasyland if we could pick anything we want of ESSM, MICA, Aster of course we can think like that, but politics is politics.

Anyway now the thing is done, moving forward we have to continue with what we have decided, no?

Cons is that US may restrict sales so you're always tied to them politically, also Indons already operate NASAM

Pros is that US has already sold us C7 Amraams for Airforce, and with their massive stocks, whenever you think war is coming you can topup from them, whereas Europeans don't keep stocks on hand

(However Cons again is that you can't do this if US doesn't want you to fight of course)

The reality is that when you deal with any superpower, they will want something. Unless you're buying from the Europeans who have few political interests they consider worth arguing over with us.

indeed ground base air defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range...  you want to protect your sky... u need air force

so far they will not restrict unless there is war and they(the superpowers) are losing.

to me, US made is good as they tested the weapon and equipment regularly and the ESSM block II will be test against missile soon.

hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi

Refer the story of Argentina in 1982
They tried to fight UK with the political assessment that neither US nor France would help them
They were very sadly mistaken and paid the price

Canada and US just having a relatively minor dispute, in the big picture, they are still tied together since Canada is an indispensable partner of the NORAD pact

We have some problems with EU but again, nothing very major. So long as we pay them cash and not palm oil they will happily take it.

We are caught however in the middle of the US, Russia and China superpower clash. Whoever we buy from amongst these 3 will want something from us - US and China over SEA issues, Russia over Mh17

Sure ESSM probably is better. But there are financial and political costs to picking it as MR-SAM. End of the day the decision has been made, better to look forward now.

ASEAN Ground Based Air Defence

Sistem Pertahanan Udara atau Ground Based Air Defence satu elemen pertahanan bagi Tentera Udara bagi melindungi aset, pangkalan dan lokasi strategik.

Ia terdiri dari sistem radar, sistem komunikasi, meriam anti udara serta sistem misil. Kini dengan berkembangan teknologi sistem-sistem ini mampu bergerak secara mobiliti ke kawasan tertentu. Ia menjurus kepada penggunaan sistem C4ISTAR yang bermaksud "Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Information/Intelligence, Surveillance, Targeting Acquisition and Reconnaissance."

Di Asia Tenggara, beberapa Tentera Udara memiliki beberapa sistem pertahanan udara antaranya:

Indonesia
NASAMS 2 Mid Range SAM
Chiron MANPADS
QW-3 MANPADS
Skyshield AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)

Myanmar
Tor M-1 Mid Range SAM
Kub Mid Range SAM
Buk M-1 Mid Range SAM

Singapura
Eurosam SAMP/T (Aster 30) Mobile Mid Range SAM
SPYDER (Python-5/Derby) Mobile Shorad SAM
Mistral MANPADS
Igla MANPADS
RBS 70 MANPADS
GDF-001/002 AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)

Thailand
KS-1C Mobile Mid Range SAM
ADATS Shorad SAM
RBS 70 MANPADS
QW-2 MANPADS
Rheinmetall Mauser Mk.30 mod.F AAG
Bofors 40mm L/70 AAG
Type 74 37mm AAG

Vietnam
S-300 Long Range SAM
S-125 Penchora 2TM Mid Range SAM
S-75M Volga Mid Range SAM
Kub Mid Range SAM
Strela Mobile Shorad SAM
SPYDER (Python-5/Derby) Mobile Shorad SAM
SA-7 MANPADS
Igla MANPADS
ZSU Mobile AAG

Malaysia mempunyai sistem rangkaian pertahanan udara yang baik menerusi Program Sistem Pertahanan Udara Nasional (NADS). Ia melibat pembangunan sistem-sistem radar ketahap tertinggi untuk memastikan tahap kesiagaan dalam keadaan terbaik.

Kejadian MH370 merencat tahap keupayaan sistem ini apabila ia gagal berkerjasama dengan sistem awam dari Jabatan Penerbangan Awam (kini Suruhajaya Penerbangan Awam Malaysia). Kini proses kolaborasi sedang dilakukan dengan pembinaan satu fasiliti gabungan di KLIA.

Namun begitu, aset Pertahanan Udara GBAD amat mengecewakan dengan Grup Pertahanan Udara GAPU Rejimen Artileri serta Pasukan Pertahanan Udara PPU TLDM dan TUDM tidak mencapai jarak yang sesuai berbanding dengan sistem radar dan elektronik berteknologi dan keupayaan tinggi.

Sistem Starstreak yang digunakan ketiga-tiga cabang ATM hanya mampu mencapai sasaran 7km berbanding sistem pertahanan Mid Range SAM yang mampu mencapai sasaran lebih 25km.

Beberapa sistem GBAD pernah ditawarkan kepada Malaysia antara Buk M-2, NASAMS (misil Iris T/Sidewinder & AMRAAM), Eurosam SAMP/T (Mica/Aster), Advance Hawk (misil Sidewinder & AMRAAM), KS-1, FK-3 & HQ-16.

Sejak 2000, tiada satu pun sistem GBAD Mid Range SAM berjaya memasuki perkhidmatan GAPU mahupun PPU. Kos sekurangnya RM5 - 6 Billion perlu disediakan sekurangnya 12 unit Bateri dilihat satu kos yang tinggi. Namun ia amat diperlukan agar tidak mengunakan aset tempur seperti Jet Pejuang secara berterusan. Melalui program CAP55 TUDM berharap mendapatkan 1 Rejimen penuh GBAD disamping 9 unit radar baharu

hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi

Alamak.... not sure bro. He was a nuri pilot when he started his career. Then moved as sultan pahang's pilot. When he was a colonel, he led the project team for army agusta 109. Now he is the gong kedak airbase commander.

sorry if my points was not made clear. but what i was trying to said earlier is,no matter the circumstance there is nothing to worry from buying from US or EU. we have issue but it does not hinder the relationship to the point of embargo or sanction.

my brooding over ESSM and MICA was because when say about SAM, most people goes to S400 or S300 or even patriot system which is expensive and overkill for us. its good to say this things as people read and educate them. plus most never think the good of commonality in reduce cost and logistic.

about Argentina war, i dont know how they got the conclusion US and France wont butt in but US have a lot to gain from Argentina lose rather than won in IMO.