This is so whacked.

Maybe. But for sure they are getting new BT-3F Amphibious Tracked APC to replace cold war era BTR-50.



This post has been edited by azriel: Apr 23 2019, 12:45 PM

I was today years old when I discovered that the word 'Helicopter' did not consist of the words "Heli" and "copter" but instead was from the greek words "Helico (spiralling)" and "pter (wing)".

Thus the word 'Helicopter' actually literally means "Spiralling wing".

azriel Frozen_sun

someone found more....

must be CNN indonesia geng...

Its the same CNN Indonesia article from Post #2322 in page 117 that atreyuangel posted. Unfortunately other local media recycle the news from CNN Indonesia and took reference from it.

This post has been edited by azriel: Apr 23 2019, 05:49 PM

Somebody help me out here.

I heard from a source that TLDM has a total of around 50 Exocet missiles in its armory. Assuming they are all in good condition, besides those installed on the Lekiu (total 16 missiles on 2 ships) and Kasturi (also 16 missiles on 2 ships), why are the rest these missiles are just kept lying in storage around instead of being installed on the Kedah-class?

Even if there isn't enough missiles to go around after arming those 4 ships with 32 missiles (reserve stocks or whatnot), why do they insist on keeping the two ancient 35-year old Kasturi-class corvettes fully armed with Exocets instead of the more numerous, modern and capable Kedah-class? What tactical advantage can get gained from this policy?

By the way, IIRC the Kedah-class' radar and electronics, even in its current OPV form is even more advanced and modern than the fully armed Lekiu-class frigates!

It boggles the mind.

are all our exocet surface launch or some also SM39s? LTZ

I cant expose the readiness of our assets. Because I also dont know 🤣🤣🤣

This post has been edited by LTZ: Apr 24 2019, 10:26 AM

ahaha


ok ok fine

I think I saw somewhere about how the TLDM Scorpene subs are armed with torpedoes and sub-launched exocets. So there should be some.

yeah i vaguely remember they did test exocets. thats why i ask

SM39 exocets should be awesome

even better if TLDM also get NSM operational

China donates warships to Sri Lanka and the Philippines


A PLA-Navy Type 053H3 Frigate

China will donate warships to Sri Lanka and the Philippines in the latest effort to boost its military influence in the Indo-Pacific region.

The gift of a frigate to Sri Lanka was announced last week by Senior Colonel Xu Jianwei, military attaché at the Chinese embassy in Colombo, while Philippine naval spokesman Commander Jonathan Zata confirmed the donation of four new patrol boats from Beijing on Sunday.

The People’s Liberation Army will also provide “various training” to the Sri Lankan military and build an auditorium complex at the Sri Lanka Military Academy, Xu told an event last Monday, the Colombo Gazette reported.

On Sunday Zata said China would also give the Philippines 200 rocket propelled grenade launchers and ammunition, the Philippine Daily Inquirer reported.

Despite the unresolved South China Sea dispute with Manila, China has offered military aid worth US$14 million in small arms and fast boats to the Philippines, and donated thousands of rifles and ammunition to the Philippine police and military for counter terrorist purposes.

sos

So TLDM hav sub launch and ship launch Exocet SM39 , MM40 .
Do TUDM hav air launch Exocet AM39?

Also mm38 but dunno still in active service or not. Pic KD Gempita - KDSI Open Day 2016


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KD Jebat with 4 mm40 launcher. KDSI open day 2016


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TUDM should have some, since IIRC they were part of the Merdeka Day parade a few years back. TLDM themselves probably don't have air-launched Exocets, since they used Sea Skua for the Navy's Super Lynx.

https://www.janes.com/article/88033/indones...r-marines-corps

This post has been edited by azriel: Apr 24 2019, 07:01 PM

Possible answers to your many questions:

1) why are the rest these missiles are just kept lying in storage?

Because missiles kept in storage last longer than missiles on a boat out at sea, even if they are kept in their canisters.

2) why do they insist on keeping the two ancient 35-year old Kasturi-class corvettes fully armed with Exocets instead of the more numerous, modern and capable Kedah-class?

Possibly because the Kedahs lack the operator console and minor modifications/systems needed to operate the Exocets, and there's no operational reason to have another pair of Exocet-capable boats at this time

3) What tactical advantage can get gained from this policy?

Possibly there is only a need to train 4 ships crews for antiship combat operations on the Lekius and Kasturis, whereas adding Exocets to 2 Kedahs would mean having to train additional 2 ships crews for antiship combat ops. There is no current operational need for that.

Also this would take away 2 ships and their crews from carrying out their usual patrol duties in order to conduct training. Again, where is the operational need for that*?


*yes, it can be argued that there are certain needs justifying more combat ships. But this simply shows that to add let's say 2 frigates for combat ops requires a significant investment not just in equipment, but also in war stocks, recruitment and training. Yes the hardware is expensive but so is the human resource component, we focus a lot on the former but should also bear in mind the latter.

so although it would be nice to have another 2 frigates, 4, even 6 or more; bear in mind the costs can be very significant.

Further questions on your answers:

- The point of these weapons is they should be ready to use for the units who use them. Wear and tear from peacetime patrols should be part of the equation and be taken into account. The analogy would be like soldiers only issued with knives in peacetime, as rifles would last longer in storage.

- According to the Kedah-class FFBNW design, all associated computers and electronic devices needed to control and launch the SeaRAM and Exocets are all readily installed on board the Kedah-class. All that is needed is the missiles' physical and electronical installation and they would be ready to use within 24 hours.

- "There is no current operational need for that". I find this statement somewhat naive, same as the sentiment of those who say "we are now at peace, who are we going to go to war with?" to justify reducing the defence budget.

For me, a country's armed forces should train and be operationally ready as if the country is going to war tomorrow at all times. So the training and the readiness of the armed forces should already be a settled matter and all that is left during wartime is to strategically and tactically order the forces to where they are needed for combat.

Peacetime maritime patrolling duties should be given to the APMM, but they themselves are ridiculously under-funded and are forced to perform the TLDM's patrolling duties with ancient cast-off TLDM patrol vessels better fitted for the scrapyard. If even the TLDM, with its better funding and more modern vessels is admitting that they are overstretched in covering Malaysia's maritime territories, how can the APMM take over this duty with their scant resources? But I guess that's another matter altogether.

Anyway, if the justification to keep the superior Kedah-class under-armed in favor of the older, less capable ships is one of cost-saving or such, perhaps in the case of any outbreak of war the enemy would agree to only fight us using their own 30-year old ships, to even the odds against Kasturi, Laksamana and Lekiu-class? Or perhaps they would instead send their best ships and latest weapons? Which scenario do you think more likely will happen?

Meanwhile the TLDM is literally using their latest, most expensive and most capable & modern surface vessels (sans missiles, of course) to intercept pilak boats, chasing off pirates and facing off against coast guard cutters. What a joke.

/endrant