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darkterror15
post May 30 2019, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(romalis51 @ May 30 2019, 11:02 AM)
Old car normal la use mineral. Modern car not recommended. But I had bad experience using this shenzo oil for my Myvi. Used it for like 2 years. Worst decision ever. Engine felt sluggish. Then when I did overhaul, mech. found lots of carbon and ask me what kind of EO you use. Told them shenzo they laugh their ass off.  sad.gif
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hmm.gif hmm.gif actually even is fully syn, the oil has few grade, which grade of EO u used ? nissan original use 0w20, but shenzo the lowest is 5w30, the higher the number at the back, the thicker the oil. so if your car is not really too old, dont use high number EO because your engine will feel heavy. Thicker oil is also needed for high horsepower car or turbo charge car because their engine gets very hot and thin oil will just burn out.

old car use thicker old because their parts start to get loose and thicker oil can prevent evaporation or leak of the oil.

my bro said got 1 bmw owner bring 2 tong 5w40 shenzo oil to service but the next service change to mobil w50 because the shenzo w40 got burned.. lol probably their engine temperature is too high and burn the oil. The hotter the oil, the thinner it is so they are fine with w50.

now for your myvi, probably anything higher than w30 is not so good for your engine. if the oil is too thick the lubrication wont be good.
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post May 30 2019, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 30 2019, 10:05 AM)
lol the base oil imported from japanese and repackage here in malaysia la. but for the same money actually u can get mobil 1 from germany i think ? mobil 1 is a tart more expensive than shenzo..

actually as long as you keep an eye on the mileage and change EO frequently your engine should last long. my dad's cefiro is only using mineral old for 20 years and he always change it 5k or 3 months and 2 oil change only change once oil filter, now mileage 500k + still with the original engine. he also ask me change to mineral oil but then i done some digging on youtube and some ppl tested after the same mileage mineral oil become sticky. so yea just gonna stick with this brand until it fails me i guess?
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Kek. They just labelled the name Japan oil. Blended locally and packaged here. Name just labelled Japan. Base oil all mostly imported , even for locally blended oil. BUt NOT from JAPAN.

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 29 2019, 09:12 AM)
if the price is cheap and u get the same long lasting power, then hey why not right just stick with the same brand. but tan chong's nissan oil 0w20 is definitely a no no  shakehead.gif i dont know the rest of the SC like honda or toyota or mazda etc but nissan SC always ask me to top up booster and so on. If you EO is good u dont need those stuff in the first place.
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I believe the booster u mention is car additiives ; for example engine oil additive. Not exactly dont need b ut depends on your car and driving style. Take a case, a stage 3 audi even with a premium imported eo, it cant withstand the heat the engine generated. Need to pour in additives such as eo oil additive etc.
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post May 30 2019, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ May 30 2019, 11:57 AM)
I believe the booster u mention is car additiives ; for example engine oil additive. Not exactly dont need b ut depends on your car and driving style. Take a case, a stage 3 audi even with a premium imported eo, it cant withstand the heat the engine generated. Need to pour in additives such as eo oil additive etc.
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a 1.5 104 hp almera certainly dont need booster what, even the engine flush is to con you more money. i stopped going to SC and service with my bro after warranty ends laugh.gif
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post May 30 2019, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ May 30 2019, 11:53 AM)
Kek. They just labelled the name Japan oil. Blended locally and packaged here. Name just labelled Japan. Base oil all mostly imported , even for locally blended oil. BUt NOT from JAPAN.
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Probably is true but have no evidence to support that also, they been secretive for a long time. maybe racing enthusiastic know their brand only since they race in sepang carrying the brand. But hey, tested on track is better than tested on lab right ? laugh.gif
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post May 30 2019, 01:50 PM

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just buying from pump station eg petronas/shell/caltex. surely it is genuine and original.
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 30 2019, 01:35 PM)
a 1.5 104 hp almera certainly dont need booster what, even the engine flush is to con you more money. i stopped going to SC and service with my bro after warranty ends  laugh.gif
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Thats y i say not all need but NOT like wat u said, DONT NEED at all. Normal EO certainly cant stand upgraded cars and some even turbocharged
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 30 2019, 01:39 PM)
Probably is true but have no evidence to support that also, they been secretive for a long time. maybe racing enthusiastic know their brand only since they race in sepang carrying the brand. But hey, tested on track is better than tested on lab right ?  laugh.gif
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LOL. Im working in eo line. I know exactly how this local blend company works. Same like Kaito engine oil, blended locally but labelled as fully imported. LOL. BS.
In fact, i know most of the base oil supplier and also additive package supplier (In case u duno, eo consist of 90% base oil and 10% additive). All major additive supplier is from western counterparts, 4 big company to be exact, Japan excluded. Ofc also can get additive package from CHina, but this cant get through API.

As for tested on track. My company does manufacture local blend oil as well as distribute other major international brands. We also have our own sponsored team using our local blend oil in MSF since few years ago. So.. biggrin.gif

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post May 30 2019, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ May 30 2019, 03:09 PM)
LOL. Im working in eo line. I know exactly how this local blend company works. Same like Kaito engine oil, blended locally but labelled as fully imported. LOL. BS.
In fact, i know most of the base oil supplier and also additive package supplier (In case u duno, eo consist of 90% base oil and 10% additive). All major additive supplier is from western counterparts, 4 big company to be exact, Japan excluded. Ofc also can get additive package from CHina, but this cant get through API.

As for tested on track. My company does manufacture local blend oil as well as distribute other major international brands. We also have our own sponsored team using our local blend oil in MSF since few years ago. So.. biggrin.gif
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hmm.gif hmm.gif at least i know the addictive is not from china if you say china wont get API. Shenzo is certified API SN for their oil and they need to apply the API every year. So their base oil is not from japan ? hmm.gif Any good recommendation for EO ? I left another 3 liter of shenzo then i need to purchase again already. The EO so far so good, but if can get cheaper oil with same performance then why not right?

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 30 2019, 04:52 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif at least i know the addictive is not from china if you say china wont get API. Shenzo is certified API SN for their oil and they need to apply the API every year. So their base oil is not from japan ?  hmm.gif Any good recommendation for EO ? I left another 3 liter of shenzo then i need to purchase again already. The EO so far so good, but if can get cheaper oil with same performance then why not right?
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Base oil confirm not from Japan. For API certified formulation, mostly used Petronas and Exxon base oils. Additive company mostly all from american counterparts. Maybe formulation recipe from Japan? IDK. This shenzo confirmed locallly manufacture and play with japan themed. Mostly japan oils using steel bottle instead of plastic too. For example , legit Japan oil is Autobac.
Since they are certified by API, i dont find anything bad with it as long as each batch is produced according to the formulation they send to API. Just that they lie on the marketing part to trap ppl like u.
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 30 2019, 04:52 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif at least i know the addictive is not from china if you say china wont get API. Shenzo is certified API SN for their oil and they need to apply the API every year. So their base oil is not from japan ?  hmm.gif Any good recommendation for EO ? I left another 3 liter of shenzo then i need to purchase again already. The EO so far so good, but if can get cheaper oil with same performance then why not right?
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I can't find Shenzo on the list of API licensed/certified brand/product.

However, a local brand that some laughed at, by the name of Mizu, surprisingly is on the list!
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QUOTE(scorgio @ May 30 2019, 09:02 PM)
I can't find Shenzo on the list of API licensed/certified brand/product.

However, a local brand that some laughed at, by the name of Mizu, surprisingly is on the list!
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What so great about API? I'm more on ACEA certified & dont care much about API..


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post May 31 2019, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ May 30 2019, 09:02 PM)
I can't find Shenzo on the list of API licensed/certified brand/product.

However, a local brand that some laughed at, by the name of Mizu, surprisingly is on the list!
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the license expire every year and according to the guy replying me, they are in the process of applying a new one.
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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ May 30 2019, 05:13 PM)
Base oil confirm not from Japan. For API certified formulation, mostly used Petronas and Exxon base oils. Additive company mostly all from american counterparts. Maybe formulation recipe from Japan? IDK. This shenzo confirmed locallly manufacture and play with japan themed. Mostly japan oils using steel bottle instead of plastic too. For example , legit Japan oil is Autobac.
Since they are certified by API, i dont find anything bad with it as long as each batch is produced according to the formulation they send to API. Just that they lie on the marketing part to trap ppl like u.
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so you got better oil recommendation ? in shenzo web is all saying from japan so i drop them an email ask them can prove or not XD. is it confidential ? can they use that reason to reject my request ? since you are working in EO industry you sure have some insider news too right? which is better which is not ? you can even be whistle blower for those scam if you want brows.gif
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QUOTE(andakietoro @ May 30 2019, 01:50 PM)
just buying from pump station eg petronas/shell/caltex. surely it is genuine and original.
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and tesco & giant offer EO, ussuallly less than rm100 got 5W-40 fully synthetic. mostly shell helix
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 31 2019, 12:15 AM)
the license expire every year and according to the guy replying me, they are in the process of applying a new one.
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QUOTE(scorgio @ May 30 2019, 09:02 PM)
I can't find Shenzo on the list of API licensed/certified brand/product.

However, a local brand that some laughed at, by the name of Mizu, surprisingly is on the list!
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mizu was sold extensively on lazada.
hopefully its ok. or else many people got trapped
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 31 2019, 10:24 AM)
mizu was sold extensively on lazada.
hopefully its ok. or else many people got trapped
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Should be fine.
The company who owns the brand, also owns the OSK brand of filters & automotive fluids.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 31 2019, 11:21 AM)
and tesco & giant offer EO, ussuallly less than rm100 got 5W-40 fully synthetic. mostly shell helix
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yup much more reliable and no fake EO issue.
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be careful guys!

KK Auto Moto in Lazada and Shopee sell fake oil. Many buyer have their gearbox kong after used the gearbox oil from them.

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