i was going out with my friends trying to get a job at a shopping complex near putrajaya as it is my semester break..and just looking around in a sports store (not naming any name but hey..maybe you know who? ) and check the jersey there..and i am surprised!!the nike jersey that they are selling is fake!!(arsenal jersey and few others just forgot what club)i was shock as i 'pernah' buy jersey there...never check the originality as i am confidence but now..im thinking of banning them.

if you want to check their originality for nike jersey check the red tag inside the jersey at the bottom..there should be a red tag with a red nike logo...on the left of the red tag it has a silver lining...some of the fake jersey have it also but the nike logo is very very shit...you can just on the spot know that it is fake...and the silver lining for fake jersey is sewn not like the original..the original look like dotted silver line while the fake one, the line is quite longer and doesnt look like dotted.

i hope that for those who like to buy original jersey do check it first before you buy...i dont like it when my fellow footbal fanatics got cheated..especially their money worth 200++....and if there is anyone in the forum know how to differentiate other fake jersey from ADIDAS, PUMA and etc...do state it here..so we can help each other from this money grabberrsssssssssss..thank you and BEWAREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Just name the shop lah... maybe in leet?

ask nike or adidas officer go ther check la.

I think if not mistaken..must AL=IKSHAN...

eric,why u stret forward put da name..i oso doubt dat shop.
coz sumtimes their products too cheap to believe leh.
but,hek,we need proof.

till now i stil figured what TS saying....can put some pic to describe..cuz sorry bro...never have experience buying original jersey (yet)...

im just afraid that im wrong but the logo serious man..looks ugly..and the silver line?looks like my local MU jersey that i bought for rm30...very different from my original jersey.

Too bad the TS mentioned the shopping complex in Putrajaya...and I know AL-Ikhsan is the only retail sport store at there.... Emmm....u need some proof yeah???hard but worthy if U can find...

aduh.....he describe every single detail with accuracy.... if not..how could I know it's Al-Ikhsan store... use ur imagination....which part u don't understand??everything??

This post has been edited by eric84cool: May 15 2007, 02:44 AM

this place can help you..with pictures too!

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/382143/+80

well now i refer to the thread u direct me to...thks bro

takde hal punyer try read page by page..it may help you in the future if you want to buy original

Great information. Thank you!

im also not confident with al-ikhsan

You must be kidding... Al Ikhsan selling fake?

Can you show me the proof? I have been shopping there for many many years and I have never seen any fakes there? What do you mean about fake jersey there?

I visit the al-ikhsan branch quite often there at Alamanda Putrajaya. I have not seen any fakes there. Trust me, I know how to differentiate fake jerseys because of my vast experience. Only football jersey collectors know what I mean...

Yup, he is the great kit man of LYN here... I don't think Al Ikhsan is selling fake as well. Show us some pics of it... Anyway, TS haven't name the shop himself though...

Thanks man.... In fact I've posted some more new jersey pics in the New Kits thread...


Are you referring to the Arsenal home jersey as shown below?:



I've seen this jersey before at the store, I went to the store last week. As far I am concern, it's original.

Do you mean black nike tag with red nike swoosh?:



Another way to tell it's fake is, flip the back tag and see the serial numbers of the black tag. It should be there and should diffentiate it.

Easy. Fake jerseys usually sell in XL sizes only. But now there are M sizes but they have wrong sizing (38/40 inches is the right size but somehow it displays 44/46 which is XL size). Poor embroidery also shows the feature of a fake jersey.

Please view my signature below and visit a guide I prepared to see my bad experience on buying a fake United jersey. If you think I don't know my stuff, please visit my link to see my football jersey collection, the link is displayed at my signature below as well....

I would dare to put my knowledge on the line to say that Al-Ikhsan never sells fake items.

as far as i know, Al-Ikhsan hav very good reputations for selling original jerseys n other sport goods.

i think TS should provide more details here.

thanx dude for your effort to guide us how to differentiate between fake n ori jerseys nextime have a better idea on buying jerseys...

By the way, last 3 weeks ago I went to Langkawi for a vacation. There is an al-ikhsan store there and they sell 2 United home jerseys. Both are Large size jerseys (FYI, there are no fake jerseys with Large sizes). I quietly took some pics of the jersey:



The shirt is located behind an Arsenal away shirt.. damn.. hehe:


The size of the shirt is L. This shirt is from a new 2007 batch production design where they no longer use 'Nike Sphere Dry' but 'NikeFit Dry' design on the sizing label:


As you can see, the price sticker logo (which you guys can clearly see is from al-ikhsan) shows that it's RM239. Normally it's RM259 (al-ikhsan tends to sell items that are going to be obsolete cheaper because there will be a new 2007/2008 home kit):


There are inner labels and the small black nike security tag inside the jersey:


As well as the new sizing details, 2007 batch jerseys will now use NikeFit instead of Nike Sphere Dry:


Similar to the United tags when still using Nike Sphere Dry, only United jerseys have tags with 'manutd.com', instead of 'www.nikefootball.com':


Other images of the tags:



Honestly, I don't think that Al-Ikhsan sells fake jerseys. There is only one sports store at Alamanda Putrajaya and so far I think the store that is mentioned here is al-ikhsan.

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: May 15 2007, 10:33 AM

try watch the arsenal jersey that sells for rm90..i couldnt manage to take a picture but it sure have the red nike tag and the silver lining..the thing is that the red nike logo doesnt look like a nike logo and it really look distorted...while the silver lining doesnt look like dotted as the picture below but looks like a long line...if i manage to go there again i will try to get some picture.

Are you referring to the drop down Arsenal kit which is intended to be sold to supporters? Tell me that there's no FLY EMIRATES logo on the shirt?

Nike produces 3 types of jerseys:

1. Player version.
It is coded with number 7 at the front of the code number at the tags, hence known as Code 7 jerseys. These jerseys are intended to be worn by players during matches and are not sold in shops here. You can find them in ebay, subsidesports.co.uk or some stalls in UK. They have slightly different materials and have different designs (such has more bigger holes at the sides of the jerseys due to ventilation purposes).

2. Replica versions
It is the ones sold mostly and easily found in sports stores. Code numbers begins with 1. These are the jerseys that we can find at al-ikhsan (costs RM259).

3. Supporters version
It is a drop down version. Nike made these jerseys intended for fans who are with tight budget but is similar to the replica jerseys. They have no sponsors but have nice designs. They are made in Thailand (but still original). There are Man Utd, Inter, barca, arsenal and even Malaysia has one. The Malaysia one is Rm139 or something, looks exactly the same but if you notice, the FAM badge is printed on the replica but on this one it is embroided (same goes with the keris).

I doubt that there is a replica jersey sold for RM90, except it is a very old season jersey still sold. Is this the latest jersey used by Arsenal?

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: May 15 2007, 12:10 PM

As a fellow collector, I dare say too, that Al-Ikhsan has never sold any fakes to the best of my knowledge. And I'd agree with schmeichel7 as well, there is a knock-down replica versions from Nike for all their big teams sans sponsors selling for RM129-RM139. Other than that, they may sell some old kits for RM99 but don't think that they are fakes as well as they do come in all sizes.

Maybe some actual pics (ala schmeichel7) would be very helpful to determine such...

Wah , buying from shop also have the chance to buy fake one,the world nowadays....

report them to nike

You guys can report to Nike Sales Malaysia, their HQ is at The Curve, Damansara. I've been to their HQ once (due to my purchase of fake Man United jersey at ebay) and I've been told by Nike themselves that they endorsed al-ikhsan as their main supplier, besides than Nike Boutique stores in Malaysia. Those 2 will receive the Nike jerseys first from Nike Hong Kong, since Nike's jersey distribution hub is in Hong Kong.

whoa..this thread has relli scared me as i just bought my original jersey recently...checked the details of the jersey and thank god its original according to ur comparisons..thanks for sharing guys..i will definitely keep an ye on the details the next time i buy a jersey..

It's ok man.. I just don't believe with the statement that Al-Ikhsan sells fake jerseys. The guy who I believe is the tauke of al-Ikhsan once was aired in TV3 (the show known as 'Remaja' if I'm not mistaken) and I remember him insisting to buy on originals, the reason why he open his store. I have no ties with this guy or no importance at al-Ikhsan but I know the store pretty well... Even my wife knows how crazy I am with shopping to sports stores and my favourite is al-Ikhsan. She knows how detailed I am and she is amazed at my skills to identify if a jersey is ori or fake just by my naked eyes.

Even my fellow mate, AW13 (Aaron) himself who is a very very experienced jersey collector and has a even massive collection compared to me, knows how this store sells only originals. But I would love to see some evidence that proves if there exists any fake jerseys or items sold at al-ikhsan. Pics will help, as you can see I can take pictures at the store...

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: May 15 2007, 08:57 PM

Thanks for the endorsement schmeichel7, appreciate it. Yup, pics would definitely help, and pls understand that we're not biased or anything, just that we would not like a particular name to be dragged through the mud unnecessarily. however, sometimes we must also understand that Al-Ikhsan is still a business, so knock-down prices, etc will be common esp when they have too much stock of a particular item (shoes, jerseys, etc).

Both schmeichel7 and I would be glad to help out as and when required, a PM or a post in the Football Lounge will suffice in grabbing our attention lah...maybe with a heading that has 'Jersey' in it....

i have seen some fake shoes from them as well..... but that's was long time ago.... as i work part time in nike shops last time...
i notice some of their(AL-ikhsan) nikes are fake but some are originals..... but didnt went to their shop recently....

mine u... it was very long time ago... maybe 5-6 years back...

This post has been edited by plkvoon: May 25 2007, 03:42 PM

it was reported in a local paper that the shop mentioned sold fake shoes. I doubt they sold fake jerseys though ..

if there is evidence saying al-ikhsan is selling fake jersey, pls provide them.. i'm sick of hearing ppl saying "too cheap to be true"..

u think nike will simply allow competition like that to happen?
moreover fake?

i think the shop still provided the genuine stuff ....mebbe people keep on thinking that made in Vietnam or Indonesia goodies are fake.

al-ikhsan sell fake jersey ? are u sure

thats y.. i usually bought sports stuffs from them, really shocks me if they sell fake stuffs

if al-ikhsan selling fake jersey, how da hell can they afford to setup sooooooo many branches in whole m'sia & oso an official webbie for it? my fren & i always buy stuff from al-ikhsan. i have confidence in them. if reaaaaaaally no confidence in local shops, go ahead to the respective clubs' official webbie and order from there. confirm 100% ori lor.

al-ikhsan control the jersey market in malaysia that's why official Premier League shop was denied to open an outlet in Malaysia since al-ikhsan wants to monopoly the market. I've heard al-ikhsan is actually had relation with Adidas Malaysia.

Do take note on what schmeichel7 is posting,

From what we see in his post, he does know his stuff on Football jersey, to the detail that he includes in his posts.

These days, anything can be "copied" and sold at a price as if its the real thing. I wonder what's next will they try to "copy" .... a McLaren F1 car selling at Rm50,000 ? You'll never know.

Anyhow, this is a good thread with a good topic. Even myself sometimes doubt when i see a price of a football gear (not only jersey) at half the price.

Ive also seen bad goods in 1 Al-ikhsan but forgot where.
most probably is in sg wang, not the one mentioned by ts.
ive seen some low quality shoes.
ur post striked my memory.
it was a yr ago.
but i dare say that after looking at the shoe, i immediately walk out of the whole area.
Couldnt trust even other shops in that area.

but other al ikhsan store such as pyriamid looks all good

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Added on September 2, 2007, 10:59 pmsorry i no proof,
dont need to believe wat i say.
but dont shoot me, coz this is from my memory.

This post has been edited by EmperorMeng: Sep 2 2007, 10:59 PM

TQ mod for quoting on my postings. Nice to know that you appreciate them.

Off topic, can we have a special dedicated topic room for discussions on football gear related. Things such as football jersey collections, discussion on ori or not an item, new kits for end or new of season etc. Been thinking of having one, I would gladly help anyone concern on the authenticity of certain items but it would be easier for me if there is a dedicated sub topic or something.

Back to the claims of al-ikhsan selling fakes, can anyone please show some evidence before we make claims... I would like to see them first before I would agree with people's claims. It's not as if I'm a big fan of al-ikhsan but it would be fairer to them or us if there is evidence. As you all know when I make claims if a jersey is ori or not, I include photos or images as proof. This makes people believe in what you say.

I've just return back from Bandung Indonesia. What a trip and what an experience I had there. Will share some info and stories when I was there, including my surprise of seeing MAN UTD Cafe in Bandung! Seems that they've closed the one in Singapore and moved there.

yes..i do agree with you bro..just want to help our football community as we dont like to be cheated while pouring our good hard earn money into something fake.

i just check at garage sale for jersey and find that there is someone selling a fake jersey according to the picture that have been put..just look at the black nike swoosh tag..IMO it is fake..what do you think schemeichel bro?

ive got also something in my head to ask you bro..we all know how to differentiate nike jersey..how about adidas and other company?is there any identification of original jersey?

This post has been edited by damnself: Sep 3 2007, 01:48 AM

this is true! KL branch also the same....

someday back i was heading to THIS SHOP (A.-....N) KL branch with my friend together planning to get the MU 06/07 away jersey. when both of us reach there.....i saw there was an barcelona third kit for 06/07 season was there. than i pick up...i was curious why the NIKE logo did so badly on the shirt. and the price of the shirt is sooo ....ing cheap, cheap until hardly imagine. i ask my freind to have a look......he told me it was rejected. but i realize something nike never did any reject stock to this kind of shop even during stock clearence....unless they sell left over shirt or short and etc......
during the year end sales. but seldom for football jersey

than when we got our MU jersey on the cashier table. before we paid we ask them to check and make sure it was ori before we could actully open our wallet to paid for the shirt.

the fake barca jersey was sooo real.... the meterial is origiinal nike dry-fit product...for all the jersey lover you would know the ori meterial and the fake meterial is so much difference. so do i. but when you look at the nike logo on the shirt is memang cacat and jahit in the gold string with out of line. the take is jsut like not in a propoer position and doen't look like the ori nike take.....
after that day we went back a week after and look for the japan jersey previously preorder.....the barca kit was packed....and put aside together with all the adidas shoe. we ask the shopkeeper what happend to this stock. he said reject stock.
once he said reject stock....should we all choose to believe or not to believe?

but i must clearly state here... i m not putting down on those replica jersey lover...my self also wearing fake jersey during footie session. but i support my football club, i got atleast few collection for my fav club ori jersey.

This post has been edited by gohtken: Sep 3 2007, 04:28 AM

barca third kit? which one, the light green fluorescent one or the orange one? the orange was their away last season.

how do you know it's fake? did u check the inner tags inside the kit? do they have the style code printed in the inner tags and does it match with the tags? where was it made? Made in Indonesia or Morocco? Indonesian ones have a poor nike swoosh logo embroidery. is the club crest embroidery very poor?

One way to easily get proof that the item is original or not... is to see if the tags have the sticker barcode as shown below:





Colours represent the sizes. For example, XXL and XXXL is white, medium is blue, small is yellow, red is large and XL is green. If this barcode sticker is available, the item is highly likely original (plus with the presence of the inner tags).

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Sep 3 2007, 09:14 AM

my 2 cents

at least they still reclassified those as reject stock, and didn't sell them as brand new.

but from my experience, i have never ever bought a fake jersey/kit from Al-Ikhsan BB Plaza at all.

ive found one fake man utd jersey sold in al-ikhsan dataran pahlawan melaka
but dun know it is fake or drop down version..
it's sold at RM 239...
no time to snap a pic... been busy..

Do you look for the Nike tag?

mind to clarify more bout the kit ?
I've been to Al Ikhsan Dataran Pahlawan and nothing's wrong to me...

First, you said you have found fake. Then your second sentence said you are not sure whether it is fake. Aiyoh.

the tag is the same...with the color tag and number...but the shirt tag(what u call it???) doesnt have the black swoosh tag (with code)
there is only one shirt available..u can see it by just seeing its color...it is a lil bit faded..

i cant recognize issit drop down or fake...
coz i dun know how's drop down would be...dun know nike release drop down version for man utd..

wat jimmy said is true...i'm with him that day...i'm little bit shock.....the price if i'm not mistaken is 240 something....less 10 ringgit than the ori one.....we both check the shirt and found that the nike tag is just like the original but diefferent in colour....the tag color for code '1' so we make further investigation...we checked the inner tag and found there is no nike tag with silver lining and also no tag that shown the code number.....

too bad that day got too many their staff surrounding us...cant take a pic

hahhahah.....the next week we go and found that jersey is still available.....lucky that no one have bought that jersey....i thought i want to take that jersey and put it at the back but like jimmy said we were surrounded by their staff...hahah...we dont want to cause trouble...heheh...so we went out....

What jersey is that? The home kit or away kit? At the price tag, got or not the barcode sticker like I shown above (last year's posting)?

You said because don't have black nike security tag. FYI, new season kits from now on has no black security tag inside it anymore. It's replace with the silver tag in front of the jersey on the bottom right of it.

Be more specific mate... home kit of what season (the latest one or last 2 seasons, the one with the white v collars)?

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Added on August 10, 2008, 2:01 pmWhat do you mean nike tag is just like original but different colour?

Tag color for code '1'? What is that?

Colour codes are in 3 digits for nike jerseys. 010 means black, 100 means white, the new away kit is 105.



This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Aug 10 2008, 02:01 PM

nice thread..I would really like to know of how to differ between fake and original for adidas,umbro,puma,etc..

i dont know what its called but, i`ve provide attachment for references. the color are not the same like the rest of the jersey.....that tag is orange in color and the rest is green.....is it that jersey is a drop down version that u talked about?...


Attached thumbnail(s)

Huh? Orange tag and the rest is green? Never ever seen that mate.

let me make this clear...ok...at the price tag...got barcode sticker...but no black security tag...

FYI it is last season kits (the one man utd won the champions league )and no silver tag in front of the jersey on the bottom right of it...
it is the same as below picture...is is clear enough ???

ermmm....i think i need to snap some picture but hopefully that jersey is still there....

last season kit, home one, the black nike security label + silver thread inside the shirt, not in front of the jersey though..

This post has been edited by aBs-: Aug 10 2008, 05:41 PM

hi guys...i wonder...i was checking in ebay and i see those fake products only sized M and XL and obviously looking fake...but i see all the bidder oso same name 1 for most of the products..bidder1 bidder2, and bidder 3 ....is it to make the price to hike and to make ppl believe lol

Maybe you should point out who is selling the fake jerseys in garage sales as far as i know we are not allow to sell fake jersey over here

but do make sure you have any proof before making any accusation

Bidder names in ebay are now set as anonymous, hence you will see only names like bidder1, bidder2, bidder3 and so on.

Fake is fake lah. Most people nowadays in ebay can tell if it's fake or not.

And yes, there are cases where me and my mates know some irresponsible Jersey Collectors who bought some stuff from shops like SR Sports in PKNS, Shah Alam which are brand new with tags (BNWT) and sold cheap here (RM99) but sold in ebay as expensive high prices. That's ok, it's business but the seller has a partner in crime and will ask his friend to up the bid.. so the end price becomes higher. Dirty tactics and unethical.. it exist. We know who they are but then.. what can we say?

Well to know jersey real or fake may join our group chat at facebook.

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We will share you the info & make sure the brand will look this matter seriously..

Cheer,
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This post has been edited by garung: Aug 15 2008, 08:29 PM

Wow, so many fakes around.

Can anyone verify whether the jersey in the link below is authentic?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...rksid=p3907.m29

erm...hard to say bro...but seeing the low bidding price and all his other item is size M and XL, i suggest you dun take the risk. Even if the jersey is authentic, how to confirm that signature is really Giggs'?

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Aug 17 2008, 10:49 PM

the hell with fakes stuffs..

Think again when you are buying on the net:

* How if the seller showing you the 100% original jersey pictures on the net, but sending you the fake one after you paid for it?

You can't do anything about it. Don't you?

This post has been edited by EEE: Aug 18 2008, 12:46 PM

fake stuff,real stuff,you still get the same shirt but with diff quality.so its kinda rip off if you buy real stuff unless ya filthy rich.cause for a shirt that cost rm200^ is just a price you pay for the marketing ploy and thats that!

re EEE, i assume you are referring to ebay purchases. FYI, ebay has a dispute resolution in place, where you can raise a dispute in that event. It applies not just for jerseys, but for all other goods as well. Its unfair to generalise trading on internet as "unsafe" just because of possibility of fraud (i am not saying there is none, in fact i acknowledge there are fraud on the internet). But it would not be fair to legitimate sellers plying their trade there. Caveat Emptor (doctrine of Buyer Beware) applies even for offline transaction, where ppl can put up legitimate stocks up front and sell you fakes (ala DVD stalls all over the palce). Which is why it is important to do all you humanly can to check before purchase. And in event of fraud, to report the same for dispute resolution so that others would not fall prey to the same person.

In Ebay, do check seller's feedback (this is one very useful feauture of ebay) before committing to a trade, and also be a respnsible buyer by leaving accurate feedback for others

re orangetribal, you can consciously choose to buy fakes, thats your choice. I think it is unfair for you to judge other's choice when you yourself do not like others to judge yours. Whether it is a rip-off is also subjective. If buyers feel price is unfair, they can choose not to buy the kits, and send a message across to the clubs / manufacturers.

But purchasing fakes does not benefit anyone except the fakers. Buying original kits, will directly benefit the club you support. Yes, they get richer bla bla, but aint that what you would want of your club? For it to grow and prosper and be able to afford good players and improve the squad?

But anyway, like i said, if you consciously made your choice, that fine (your choice is fine, that is. It is still an illegal trade-mark infringing act by the fakers). It is a different story if one gets conned into buying fakes which is being passed off as real goods. Thats what we do not condone.

My mentality is like this. Lets say i made up my mind to buy Lamborghini. then seller shows me two Lambo, 1 is the authentic one, but the other one uses lousy metal painted like Lambo only, inside is enjin Kancil. Of coz cheaper la. Let say i buy the lousy Lambo, show people that i love Lambo by driving it around, but deep inside, i know its sh*t material....

same with buying ori or fake. Is it to show people which club i support, or is it because i truly support my club? always hear the same reason, "ppl wont know its ori or fake". I dont care what others think, as long as i know i get the real thing, i'm happy

Then again, it depends on ur personal choice la....

@EEE, that's why i wont usually buy from ebay members that put pics of the item that is taken from website ie. kitbag.com,megastore.com. if the item is shown lets say on the seller's bed or almari, then higher chance the same item shown is what you will get. So if you get fake, the item shown is also fake. And like wat chcher said, try everything possible to get more info from the seller or those who had deal with seller before. Anyway, try ur best not to ter-bid fake item la, coz if u wanna dispute, its a huge pain in the ass i tell you.

my final advice, dun bid if u are not 100% it is authentic (if u are looking for genuine one la )

hmmm since i stayed at putrajaya now.. i should be careful also.. anyway TS thanks for the recent info..

One word of advice is that maybe sometimes too much information may not be too good, as this is a public forum after all, and all information in a public domain will and can be used for proper or improper motives. Do take note...

guys,

got question here? How about man utd 09/10 boys jersey? Are they all original.. as far as i know.. boys jersey dont have replica..not sure if im right or not... pls comment

bukan ke jersey now ikut grade,
like people say,al-ikhsan sell bad shoes,maybe its grade C?
idk..
but i never buy from local store..online is safe.

get your terms right.
replicas are also genuine authentic products.
so what do u mean by your question?

Ytd i saw al-ikhsan selling for RM149.... but the material is clearly different compare to the one is selling at rm 259.....

not sure to say it was fake or what....maybe jerseyman can clarify this for those ppl that want to buy in al-ikhsan...

Guys pls refer to the Jersey thread for more info;

LYN Football Jersey Thread

This post has been edited by aw13: Dec 8 2009, 11:37 AM