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post Apr 23 2018, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 23 2018, 10:35 PM)
Ic, we'll just have to wait and see then. Hopefully not too long anymore since this tire was already out for the last 1-2 year already. If this thing comes along and the price is similar to the V12E2 or the previous FK453 then that should make the market very interesting as there'll be more choices for those who want top performance tires at economical prices. I still have another 2+ years to go before I need to change mine so for me I still got time. smile.gif Otherwise I'll just settle back to the V12E2 or maybe by then already got V12E3?  biggrin.gif
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I too am eagerly awaiting for the FK510, but seems like time is not on my side since i'm in need to change before mid year.

Seeing how FK453 was priced, i realise it is slightly more expensive than v12evo2. So likely that FK510 will be priced at a slight premium (optimistic) to FK453, or will be really close to what PS4 is selling now. It will be at least another year for the supply to stabalise and the price to moderate, so FK510 won't be the econo-performance choice i guess...v12evo2 will still reign in this space.

The only saving grace for the FK510 would probably be fuel economy and refinement. From my findings from a US site when randomly browsing (too bad lost the link), the FK510 is a touch lighter. And from the EU labelling, depending on size, generally most of FK510 has 1dB advantage against v12e2. Another things is that the FK510 has additional rim protection on all sizes, not sure about the v12evo2 on this though. (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Falken-AZENIS-FK510-Press-Release.htm)

I guess it would be a good alternative to ps4 for those who just don't want to be associated with brand snobbery or wanting to be a little different than the normal choice for performance. Hope the FK510 can be priced right, anything less than 10% lesser compared to ps4 will relegate it to a really niche choice to those that are falken brand loyalist or those that prefer the tread pattern of FK510 (like me).
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post Apr 23 2018, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 23 2018, 11:30 PM)
I too am eagerly awaiting for the FK510, but seems like time is not on my side since i'm in need to change before mid year.

Seeing how FK453 was priced, i realise it is slightly more expensive than v12evo2. So likely that FK510 will be priced at a slight premium (optimistic) to FK453, or will be really close to what PS4 is selling now. It will be at least another year for the supply to stabalise and the price to moderate, so FK510 won't be the econo-performance choice i guess...v12evo2 will still reign in this space.

The only saving grace for the FK510 would probably be fuel economy and refinement. From my findings from a US site when randomly browsing (too bad lost the link), the FK510 is a touch lighter. And from the EU labelling, depending on size, generally most of FK510 has 1dB advantage against v12e2. Another things is that the FK510 has additional rim protection on all sizes, not sure about the v12evo2 on this though. (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Falken-AZENIS-FK510-Press-Release.htm)

I guess it would be a good alternative to ps4 for those who just don't want to be associated with brand snobbery or wanting to be a little different than the normal choice for performance. Hope the FK510 can be priced right, anything less than 10% lesser compared to ps4 will relegate it to a really niche choice to those that are falken brand loyalist or those that prefer the tread pattern of FK510 (like me).
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Hmm back then when I was still looking for my 17' size 225/50/17, the FK453 was way much cheaper than PS3. The FK453 at that time I can get for only around rm350 while PS3 was at least rm525, so I doubt that the FK510 price will be close to PS4. Falken should realize that it's not yet in the same first class brand as Michelin/Pirelli/Goodyear/Continental/Bridgestone. A bit higher pricing than V12E2 is fine since it's made in Japan as long as not overpriced like Toyo T1S or Yokohama Advan Sport. In the UK video that I posted, the FK510 was priced at only around 60% of PS4S or 80% of F1A3, so the pricing trend should be similar here or even better.

Ah yes, for rim protection the V12E2 is practically almost none, at least for size 225/45/17 that I use now! My CSC5, F1D5, F1A2, PS3 all have much thicker rim protection.

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post Apr 24 2018, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 23 2018, 11:42 PM)
Hmm back then when I was still looking for my 17' size 225/50/17, the FK453 was way much cheaper than PS3. The FK453 at that time I can get for only around rm350 while PS3 was at least rm525, so I doubt that the FK510 price will be close to PS4. Falken should realize that it's not yet in the same first class brand as Michelin/Pirelli/Goodyear/Continental/Bridgestone. A bit higher pricing than V12E2 is fine since it's made in Japan as long as not overpriced like Toyo T1S or Yokohama Advan Sport. In the UK video that I posted, the FK510 was priced at only around 60% of PS4S or 80% of F1A3, so the pricing trend should be similar here or even better.

Ah yes, for rim protection the V12E2 is practically almost none, at least for size 225/45/17 that I use now! My CSC5, F1D5, F1A2, PS3 all have much thicker rim protection.
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If really it is around 80% of F1A3, then the pricing should be quite close to the MC6, not bad actually. Meaning the pricing should be similar to FK453, also indirectly means that FK510 will officially replace FK453 in our market. But by seeing the campaign poster, both are listed alongside, which begs to question what is the standing of FK510 for falken malaysia....
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 24 2018, 11:25 AM)
If really it is around 80% of F1A3, then the pricing should be quite close to the MC6, not bad actually. Meaning the pricing should be similar to FK453, also indirectly means that FK510 will officially replace FK453 in our market. But by seeing the campaign poster, both are listed alongside, which begs to question what is the standing of FK510 for falken malaysia....
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I'd take the FK510 over MC6 coz MC6 is not yet proven. I'd rather take the V12E2 over MC6 too, coz more proven and cheaper some more. Continental Malaysia should've brought in CPC6 instead, or at least brave enough to arrange real comparison test with PS4 to prove their claims.

Well I'd say similar to CSC5 & CSC3 with Continental or PS4 & PS3 with Michelin, both models are still available where the older ones are slightly cheaper but still in the same category.

Anyway just ask Falken again when the time comes for you to change, who knows maybe by then it's available already, then you can buy and provide us your feedback.
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post Apr 24 2018, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 24 2018, 02:23 PM)
Anyway just ask Falken again when the time comes for you to change, who knows maybe by then it's available already, then you can buy and provide us your feedback.
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It could likely be available by that time, but being new intro into the market and supply not stabalised, the pricing could be a put off. Even with really popular michelin, when the ps4 was launched, the pricing was 20-30% higher compared to now.

So i'm likely to veer my choice to the v12evo2 as i just found a tire shop that sells at reasonable price. Unless, of course falken malaysia choose to launch it at a reasonable price from the very beginning.

On a side note, stay tuned for possible hankook new releases. Hankook will be participating in The Tire Cologne, an international trade fair on tyres and they seem a little secretive, just promising there will be product "world premiere"; hopefully the evo3 series laugh.gif

https://www.tyrepress.com/2018/04/hankook-b...e-tire-cologne/
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post Apr 24 2018, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 24 2018, 04:31 PM)
It could likely be available by that time, but being new intro into the market and supply not stabalised, the pricing could be a put off. Even with really popular michelin, when the ps4 was launched, the pricing was 20-30% higher compared to now.

So i'm likely to veer my choice to the v12evo2 as i just found a tire shop that sells at reasonable price. Unless, of course falken malaysia choose to launch it at a reasonable price from the very beginning.

On a side note, stay tuned for possible hankook new releases. Hankook will be participating in The Tire Cologne, an international trade fair on tyres and they seem a little secretive, just promising there will be product "world premiere"; hopefully the evo3 series  laugh.gif

https://www.tyrepress.com/2018/04/hankook-b...e-tire-cologne/
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Well depends, sometimes new releases might give lower price to introduce new product and gain market too. Then once demand picks up, they'd gradually increase it. This was the case with PS3 and RE003 if not mistaken. With PS4 probably different case coz already very well proven predecessor so they were confident with their pricing, also maybe initial product was still made in Europe then subsequently can get cheaper due to made in Thailand.

Hmm they only indicate about all season successor to the Kinergy and they also only will bring their Audi show car using the S1E2 so maybe not yet Evo3 series or else they'd have that same car shod with the newest UHP Evo3 series.
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post Apr 25 2018, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 24 2018, 09:02 PM)
Well depends, sometimes new releases might give lower price to introduce new product and gain market too. Then once demand picks up, they'd gradually increase it. This was the case with PS3 and RE003 if not mistaken. With PS4 probably different case coz already very well proven predecessor so they were confident with their pricing, also maybe initial product was still made in Europe then subsequently can get cheaper due to made in Thailand.

Hmm they only indicate about all season successor to the Kinergy and they also only will bring their Audi show car using the S1E2 so maybe not yet Evo3 series or else they'd have that same car shod with the newest UHP Evo3 series.
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If it is as you mentioned, then there's some hope for my wait smile.gif

I still think hankook may introduce evo3 series, as mentioned in the article, they "promises other world premieres" after mentioning the new all weather tyres. Fingers crossed icon_rolleyes.gif

*Till this day, falken malaysia has not replied my email regarding the availability of FK510. Why the heck then publish the email address when no one is attending to it??!!
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 25 2018, 10:50 AM)
If it is as you mentioned, then there's some hope for my wait smile.gif

I still think hankook may introduce evo3 series, as mentioned in the article, they "promises other world premieres" after mentioning the new all weather tyres. Fingers crossed  icon_rolleyes.gif

*Till this day, falken malaysia has not replied my email regarding the availability of FK510. Why the heck then publish the email address when no one is attending to it??!!
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Yup, if still not yet available then at least can still get the V12E2, or try find S1E2. Or maybe you want to be a guinea pig to test the MC6? laugh.gif Btw what is your current tires now? Cannot really recall if you have mentioned before...

Maybe Falken staff here also still no idea yet so delaying to give responses, that's usual.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 25 2018, 11:58 AM)
Yup, if still not yet available then at least can still get the V12E2, or try find S1E2. Or maybe you want to be a guinea pig to test the MC6? laugh.gif Btw what is your current tires now? Cannot really recall if you have mentioned before...

Maybe Falken staff here also still no idea yet so delaying to give responses, that's usual.
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I'm using 215/45/18, but since this is odd size, i'm looking at 225/45/18.

On my area, the best i get for v12evo2 was RM400 (all in), s1evo2 seems like no one knows other than for SUV size (like for the new VW Tiguan).

I last checked for my size FK453 is around RM450, so i presume FK510 will be around RM510 (my unscientific pricing estimate, just follow the series number laugh.gif )

Recent good news is, i just got a reply from falken malaysia rclxm9.gif :
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From his reply, indirectly maybe does seemed like certain sizes already available in the market if know where to look for it. That means good news for good performance tyre seekers, looking for something other than ps4/mc6 smile.gif

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 25 2018, 02:25 PM)
I'm using 215/45/18, but since this is odd size, i'm looking at 225/45/18.

On my area, the best i get for v12evo2 was RM400 (all in), s1evo2 seems like no one knows other than for SUV size (like for the new VW Tiguan).

I last checked for my size FK453 is around RM450, so i presume FK510 will be around RM510 (my unscientific pricing estimate, just follow the series number  laugh.gif )

Recent good news is, i just got a reply from falken malaysia  rclxm9.gif  :
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From his reply, indirectly maybe does seemed like certain sizes already available in the market if know where to look for it. That means good news for good performance tyre seekers, looking for something other than ps4/mc6 smile.gif
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Ah good news indeed! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 23 2018, 10:35 PM)
Ic, we'll just have to wait and see then. Hopefully not too long anymore since this tire was already out for the last 1-2 year already. If this thing comes along and the price is similar to the V12E2 or the previous FK453 then that should make the market very interesting as there'll be more choices for those who want top performance tires at economical prices. I still have another 2+ years to go before I need to change mine so for me I still got time. smile.gif Otherwise I'll just settle back to the V12E2 or maybe by then already got V12E3?  biggrin.gif
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what tyre are you using now? or you've just recently changed to a new set? brows.gif
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Apr 25 2018, 04:01 PM)
what tyre are you using now? or you've just recently changed to a new set?  brows.gif
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On my cars now I got F1A2, V12E2, and PS3, currently all around 50-65% treads left. Prior to those, I used F1D5, CSC3, & CSC5. Why?
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i can confirm that ps4 is much better on all aspect when compares to v12.

the most noticeable are steering feedback and aquaplanning resistance. damn good yaww

opinion is based on my previous trackday at sepang. with ps4 on the front and v12 on rear..

however this doesnt mean v12 is bad and not worth it.
its still the best bang for buck cheap uhp exist for now. 🤣
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Apr 28 2018, 10:57 PM)
i can confirm that ps4 is much better on all aspect when compares to v12.

the most noticeable are steering feedback and aquaplanning resistance. damn good yaww

opinion is based on my previous trackday at sepang. with ps4 on the front and v12 on rear..

however this doesnt mean v12 is bad and not worth it.
its still the best bang for buck cheap uhp exist for now. 🤣
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Yup, that's why I always say, if got budget then by all means just go for PS4 coz it's arguably the best tire now and you won't go wrong with it. Then if your budget is much more limited then go for the V12E2 as that is the best value for money.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 25 2018, 02:25 PM)
I'm using 215/45/18, but since this is odd size, i'm looking at 225/45/18.

On my area, the best i get for v12evo2 was RM400 (all in), s1evo2 seems like no one knows other than for SUV size (like for the new VW Tiguan).

I last checked for my size FK453 is around RM450, so i presume FK510 will be around RM510 (my unscientific pricing estimate, just follow the series number  laugh.gif )

Recent good news is, i just got a reply from falken malaysia  rclxm9.gif  :
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From his reply, indirectly maybe does seemed like certain sizes already available in the market if know where to look for it. That means good news for good performance tyre seekers, looking for something other than ps4/mc6 smile.gif
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There's a tayaria shop in setia alam selling Pirelli Dragon Sport with exact 215/45/18 sixe for just RM350 incl GST balancing and alignment
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Go check it out Falken FK510 is available at Ban Hooi Klang, just got reply from falken malaysia.
Time to change my old V12Evo2 to Falken FK510 hhehehe.

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QUOTE(uexpress @ Jun 19 2018, 01:07 PM)
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Go check it out Falken FK510 is available at Ban Hooi Klang, just got reply from falken malaysia.
Time to change my old V12Evo2 to Falken FK510 hhehehe.
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how much for 215/45/17?
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how much for 215/45/17?
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Not sure but you call them and check price

Ban Hooi Tayar Sdn. Bhd
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Jun 19 2018, 01:07 PM)
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Go check it out Falken FK510 is available at Ban Hooi Klang, just got reply from falken malaysia.
Time to change my old V12Evo2 to Falken FK510 hhehehe.
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Don't hold your hopes high for the time being and hold on to your guns. If you can wait, you wait. I checked from another shop, it is currently more expensive than ps4 when i checked last week.

Official launch at august, so current supply quite limited and marketing of fk510 is unofficial. Better wait until at least launching to see whether got any good deals. Or else, wait till next year when supply is more consistent and the price stabalises.
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Jun 19 2018, 05:50 PM)
Not sure but you call them and check price

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i called last week.they said never heard of fk510

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