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post Apr 1 2018, 10:56 PM, updated 7y ago

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Can they leave him alone. Don't destroy everything DC/WB..

https://screenrant.com/joker-origin-movie-d...-knight-prewel/

Want to find out how he got those scars? Well, you’re going to. The Todd Phillips-directed, Martin Scorsese-produced Joker origin film is, in fact, a prequel to The Dark Knight, exploring how Heath Ledger’s incomparable version of the Clown Prince of Crime came to be.

Out of all the projects currently in the pipeline at DC Films, perhaps the most intriguing is the Joker standalone movie. Not part of the DCEU but the first in what could be an expanding “Elseworlds-style” banner, it will chart the origins of the Joker in 1980s Gotham, evoking the crime films of producer Martin Scorsese. It’s been repeatedly rumored that Joaquin Phoenix is the frontrunner for the role, but all that’s known plotwise is that it will tell a story akin to Scorsese’s The King of Comedy and Alan Moore’s icon Joker alt-origin, The Killing Joke. However, that won’t be the only thing familiar.

RELATED: SCORSESE’S JOKER CAN MAKE THE KILLING JOKE RELEVANT AGAIN

On Friday, Warner Bros. released an updated production slate of movies intended for internal use that included an “UNTITLED JOKER ORIGIN MOVIE” – the first official word by the studio the project is in development – that confirms Phillips and Scorsese’s involvement. However, what’s really interesting is the plot synopsis, which reveals it’s actually a prequel to Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight:

20 years before Batman saved the city in THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY, Gotham was a dangerous place. In the crime-ridden Narrows, one man tries to escape his unfortunate lot through a passion for theatrics and stand-up comedy. However, one bad day is all it takes in this city, and soon the well-meaning man has become the most dangerous criminal of all: the Joker. Directed by Academy Award Nominee Todd Phillips (WAR DOGS) and produced by Academy Award Winner Martin Scorsese (GOODFELLAS), this prequel to Academy Award Nominee Christopher Nolan’s THE DARK KNIGHT will explore how the Clown Prince of Crime came to be.

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Yes, you read that right: Scorsese’s Joker is actually part of Nolan’s Dark Knight universe. This had been rumored in film circles for the past couple of months, but no confirmation had been found until now. It’s worth pointing out – albeit of lesser importance – that this synopsis would seem to confirm that the film will be lifting heavily from The Killing Joke; “one bad day” is at the center of the Joker’s manic ramblings.

This news is sure to be controversial in DC fans circles and beyond. One of the most beloved elements of Heath Ledger’s Joker is his “multiple choice” origin, with each telling mixing up how he got his disfiguring facial scars (while one popular fan theory suggests he was an Iraq vet, fitting of The Dark Knight‘s 2000s setting). This origin film would by design provide a definitive solution. It is possible that – in keeping with The Killing Joke – Phillips will choose to present this simple as one dramatized possibility, although nothing official suggests that.

RELATED: HEATH LEDGER WANTED TO PLAY THE JOKER AGAIN AFTER THE DARK KNIGHT

Besides unearthing mysteries, there’s a more ethical debate. It had been assumed Ledger’s Joker had been put to rest following the actor’s untimely death before the release of The Dark Knight – he wasn’t even alluded to in The Dark Knight Rises – putting extreme pressure on the filmmakers and whoever is eventually cast in the role.

Speaking of the filmmakers, despite the actual new being buried in a slate sent around the industry – not direct to press – Phillips has responded to the subsequent leak on his Facebook page. Curiously, he makes no mention of casting:

“There have been many iterations of the Joker in his 72-year history, but none have been as iconic or defining as Heath Ledger’s Oscar-winning portrayal of the character in The Dark Knight. He captured the imagination of moviegoers with his manic psychosis and unclear past. I am incredibly privileged to be able to explore that history and provide the definitive backstory to one of cinemas greatest icons. We want to do the best to ensure the legacy of Heath and his performance while crafting something surprising for fans of the Clown Prince.”

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It’s interesting that there’s no mention of Phoenix. He has been coy in interviews – as is fitting of actors in negotiations, believed to be added proof he is in the running – yet doesn’t seem to be an ideal fit for the Joker presented in the synopsis. The actor is 43 years old, whereas Ledger was only 28 when he played the character, creating something of an inherent timeline issue; assuming Phoenix is playing his own age, the Joker would be in his 60s by the time of The Dark Knight‘s 2008. It’s possible that this will be explored in the movie itself, or the connection is intended to be looser than the synopsis suggests. Of course, it’s most likely that Phoenix isn’t actually in consideration for the role itself. Whoever is playing the part, expect casting soon as the Joker origin is set to start filming in May.

RELATED: DC COULD HAVE THREE LIVE-ACTION JOKERS IN 2019

What this development does mean is that we could see other characters from The Dark Knight Trilogy appear. Gary Oldman’s Commissioner Gordon is possible, as is Tom Wilkinson’s Carmine Falcone and Richard Brake’s Joe Chill, and there’s an outside chance – depending on the timeline – of Linus Roache and Sarah Stewart as Thomas and Martha Wayne, respectively. All actors would need deaging of some sort, but it would allow for some genuine cohesion between this movie and the “original” trilogy.

It also reveals that DC Films isn’t afraid of returning to presumed “dead” continuities alongside the still-expanding DCEU (which still has Jared Leto as its resident Mr. J). If we’re going to be learning Ledger’s Joker’s origin, what’s to stop a sequel to The Dark Knight Rises with Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Batman Beyond featuring Michael Keaton?

All we know for now is that WB is so serious about the Joker origin, to the point they’re staking the reputation of one of the greatest superhero movies of all time on it. Let’s just hope it’s more The Godfather Part II than Hannibal Rising.

Christopher Nolan declined to comment.


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Health Ledger was Joker. Period.

Dude was universally acclaimed for his performance, which speaks volume. Jared Leto's portrayal in SS was cool, but dude was playing/portraying Joker on-screen.

Ledger did not merely gave his version/portrayal of Joker, dude reincarnated himself as Joker. Practically lived as the Joker incorporating even subtle gestures & nuances of vrious animals (Wolves, Hyenas) & real-life psychopaths

If dat wasnt enuf, Nolan's writing on Joker character in Dark Knight (2008) added depth to his origin. Be it the scars, his mindset, purpose of playing mind-games with Batman etc.

Nolan & only Nolan could justify a Joker film
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Joker teaser trailer dropping by today's wee hours if not morning-ish.

It looks and sound like a Joker that never seen before. It's pitch black gritty in the vein of Taxi Driver....

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where is this movie trailer ?

i hope they dont want to smash joker icon
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wow , marvelous , simply marvelous. that trailer really put a smile on my face. now this is the joker we've been waiting for since the dark knight.

although different to heath ledger joker , this joker look very dark , serious and disturbing in a very good way. they really set the tone right on this.

not sure what's the running time on this movie but I personally thought they showed too much in this "teaser trailer". oh well lets hope it turns out good.

anyone still remember this teaser trailer ?



that laugh at the end , still give me goosebumps sweat.gif


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QUOTE(aka_kepep @ Apr 3 2019, 10:39 PM)

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Wow...

No chemical accident... Just society made him that way
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Getting The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver vibe from Joaquin's Joker.
Suppose the premise is a build-up to "one bad day" moment of The Killing Joke and do wonder are they using the Dark Knight Returns scene of Joker's appearance on talk show.

Now finger crossed this is above the standard of Todd Phillips usual movie output.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Apr 4 2019, 06:28 AM)
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Wow...

No chemical accident... Just society made him that way
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i think the directors don't want to show that accident .. still i want to have that scene ..
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What a joker rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Taxi driver version of the Killing Joke minus the Batman parts?

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Edit: sorry double post.

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Hmm... very interesting.

Joker is Batman half brother ?

What you guys think about this ?

I use to think that the two of them have or share similarities aside from one being good and the other one evil.

But as brothers ? Never thought so but, i don't mind because they both can't seem to forget each other or live and fight without each other 😄 lol



At 2:20 , the joker said, "you complete me"
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WB is putting Joker for Venice Film Festival. They are seeing it as a contender come the awards season.
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/06/joker-ven...ars-1202153639/
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When captured in screen grabs and pieced together, this is what you get:

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trailer out on Wednesday ! rclxm9.gif
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Can't wait... for the trailer!

I think at the end of the film there will be plenty of pro-Joker ideology supporters. #WeAreTheJoker tongue.gif
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Looking very promising
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😁👍 Oscar nominee for Best Actor? Maybe.
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Shall see as not 100% on board yet.
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Joker without the R is just a JOKE.
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The 1st trailer was much better.
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QUOTE(domcobb @ Aug 29 2019, 09:33 AM)
The 1st trailer was much better.
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Isnt it. This one looks like stage show. 1st trailer was eerie, atmospheric, gives vibe of getting into Joker's psyche

The latest one makes me wanna give it a safe miss.
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YT comment:

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This reminds me of a joke:
Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, 'Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up.' Man bursts into tears. Says, 'But doctor…I am Pagliacci.


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This version of the Joker seems very grounded as in 'no chemical incident' instead a product of society. I wonder how many references to Batman will this have (if any). They may opt to completely ignore the existence of superheroes.

Love this - - it shows that the Joker has many, many supporters or those dealing with similar issues.

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If this movie turns out bad, it will definitely not be because of Joaquin Phoenix.



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i like the way Joker was potrayed
much better then earlier versions
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Aug 29 2019, 06:04 PM)
If this movie turns out bad, it will definitely not be because of Joaquin Phoenix.
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Todd Phillips has yet to cement his footing in the upper echelon of film directors. Shall see....
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Aug 29 2019, 05:04 PM)
YT comment:
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This version of the Joker seems very grounded as in 'no chemical incident' instead a product of society. I wonder how many references to Batman will this have (if any). They may opt to completely ignore the existence of superheroes.

Love this - - it shows that the Joker has many, many supporters or those dealing with similar issues.

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If this movie turns out bad, it will definitely not be because of Joaquin Phoenix.
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confirm this movie kena banned in PRC and Hong Kong, you know what i mean......
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I give new DC the chance

If fakkap then marvel wins the GOAT award

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If anyone expecting this to surpass Heath Ledger take of Joker will be sorely disappointed. At best this is an homage to Scorsese's King of Comedy that happen to be a villain from a comic book. The variable is how well they gonna tell the story and purely for the acting performance. Not so much how great the action gonna be or CGI orgy fest.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Aug 29 2019, 05:04 PM)
YT comment:
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This version of the Joker seems very grounded as in 'no chemical incident' instead a product of society. I wonder how many references to Batman will this have (if any). They may opt to completely ignore the existence of superheroes.

Love this - - it shows that the Joker has many, many supporters or those dealing with similar issues.

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If this movie turns out bad, it will definitely not be because of Joaquin Phoenix.
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Leaked review commented that there will be NO reference to Batman or ANY superheroes. Kinda suck.
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Reviews are out. Mostly are positive if not the best. Also one of the best movies of 2019 ?

So potential Oscar contender ?

I'm so dying to watch this movie right now. Just take my money now ! 😋
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DC is really on a roll here. What I like is their versatility in telling a good story, be it a stunning female empowerment movie like WW, or action cgi romp like aquaman or a kids movie like shazam... there's no 'one size fits all' formula like MCU does with their movies

So glad the days of WB trying to copy marvel are over, personally like what they're doing with the loosely connected universe rclxm9.gif




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A rare 10/10 from IGN! 😯



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This version Joker more logical, throw you inside chemical you will died logically , throw you inside society turn you to psychopath
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Holy shit!

Out in our theatres already?

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 2 2019, 01:44 PM)
Holy shit!

Out in our theatres already?

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October 3rd - - 1 month to go biggrin.gif

http://www.cinema.com.my/movies/details.as...section=trailer
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Metacritic pulling 75%. I don't care about RT score. Guess it's not a masterpiece.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Sep 2 2019, 04:34 PM)
adui why so late laugh.gif rclxub.gif
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Can't wait to see this new take on Joker!
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https://variety.com/2019/film/festivals/ven...1203327388/amp/
Joker scored a Golden Lion at Venice FF. Best film, director and actor went to others. Unsure whether VFF uses the same single award merit system as per Cannes. If your film in consideration for competition, you are only eligible for one award only unlike Oscars.
Do wonder are they screening at TIFF, it will drum up considerable hype train leading to october release.

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Awards aside, looks like it's gonna kill in the box office as well hmm.gif
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Hopefully it turns out great... the same was said about TDKR (Oscar worthy for Best Picture) but I didn't find it that good.
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Some things are better left alone...Batman for instance...or even the Joker...Christian Bale made great Batman/Bruce Wayne...and Heath ledger made superb Crime Prince of Gotham in DK...dude was hurricane...

As much as Joaquin Phoenix has impressed me in trailers...I'd say...dude should've been cast in BvS...or even in Matt Reeves Batman film

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Hopefully it turns out great... the same was said about TDKR (Oscar worthy for Best Picture) but I didn't find it that good.
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https://variety.com/2019/film/news/joker-gu...ros-1203347987/
Initially thought the right wing will politicize the violence being related to mental illness and incel culture that widespread among far right demographic. US social commentary freedom really has regressed to cancel culture. At the slightest of provocation, calling for boycott or blaming on unrelated issues....sigh!

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Can't wait to see it. I love this character.
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Gonna get a lot of hate for my review...


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post Sep 28 2019, 12:43 AM

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Gonna get a lot of hate for my review...


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Nah...ur review was pretty straightforward. And balanced, explaining both pros & cons of the film

This film feels done purely to symbolize how society could transform worthless ant into unstoppable force. And damn sure even from it's trailer, we could know this film wouldn't have any fun, joy or Marvel-esque humors.

Just 1 thing. How do you wanna like a character that commits crimes & murders? I know it's a work of fiction, merely an adaptation from DC comics & stuff. But back in 2013, Michael Bay made Pain & Gain, a film based on true story abt 3 criminals succeeding in life. Dwyane "The Rock" Johnson alone somewhat made the film felt...relatable...both Mark & Antony Mackie we're obnoxious asshles dat don't give a fck abt killing ppl or other crimes. You simply cannot like these characters that are inspired from real-life prisoner's...it feels wrong on so many different levels

Joker is no different. At best, you may be amazed at the chaos he has inflicted to Gotham city & it's people. Or mind-boggled at multiple plans (say, Heath Ledger's Joker for instance).
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Joker - Somewhat OK but not good enough.
Just wish the marketing downplay the association of Martin Scorsese name as the final result is like Todd Phillips fanboying his Taxi Driver spin with Joker. Also, borrowing of The King of Comedy felt underwhelming. The imitation just showing too apparent for my taste. Goes without saying, the crucial "One bad day" moment is terrifying as in too real for a "mainstream" movie because of Joaquin Phoenix's performance. Comic book fans may felt let down simply because of the challenging message and inconsequential association of Batman's lore. Gotta eat crows and see why some critics raise concern over the glorification of the violence in lieu to widespread of gun violence in US.

No denying Phoenix may do very well at awards season, provided backlash does not intensify to a fever pitch. The saddest part of it all, last year's "You Were Never Really Here" a far more superior film with similar themes and also starred Joaquin Phoenix. Joker for the most part a showcase of Phoenix's acting chop and that full transformation to Joker moment.
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QUOTE(ThalaFan @ Sep 28 2019, 12:43 AM)
Nah...ur review was pretty straightforward. And balanced, explaining both pros & cons of the film

This film feels done purely to symbolize how society could transform worthless ant into unstoppable force. And damn sure even from it's trailer, we could know this film wouldn't have any fun, joy or Marvel-esque humors.

Just 1 thing. How do you wanna like a character that commits crimes & murders? I know it's a work of fiction, merely an adaptation from DC comics & stuff. But back in 2013, Michael Bay made Pain & Gain, a film based on true story abt 3 criminals succeeding in life. Dwyane "The Rock" Johnson alone somewhat made the film felt...relatable...both Mark & Antony Mackie we're obnoxious asshles dat don't give a fck abt killing ppl or other crimes. You simply cannot like these characters that are inspired from real-life prisoner's...it feels wrong on so many different levels

Joker is no different. At best, you may be amazed at the chaos he has inflicted to Gotham city & it's people. Or mind-boggled at multiple plans (say, Heath Ledger's Joker for instance).
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Thanks bro. But I got like 99% dislikes on the video and super hostile comments that I don't even bother reading anymore haha...

Yeah you're right. I do mean "like" them as a villain, not morally. Same reason why Joker is so popular as a supervillain. The fans love him! I love certain portrayals of him too, of course.

In this film's case, I couldn't even like him before he committed any crime or even feel bad for him. Not because it's his fault or 'cause he's mentality ill, but mostly due to the writing and execution of the film.

I love character study films. And I don't mind* arthouse films either. But this film just feels tad bit pretentious to me.

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zhaf gave it a rating of 5/5 thumbup.gif said he recommend everyone to watch this.

ah , I cant wait im excited now biggrin.gif


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https://youtu.be/1gzdlfCp2Iw

https://youtu.be/PJORkfmnmdY

Both Chris & Jeremy are raving this film...wonder if I should give this a shot....cuz some users here posted the film to be quite bland...
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Yep, just finished watching it, for me I'd say 9/10 cool2.gif
Joaquin Phoenix as Joker is a masterpiece, as DC comic fan, hats off
and yes, the story is quite dark and violence, of course, he is the Joker biggrin.gif
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just watched it. so they really want to potray this type of joker.. i think as hes trying too hard to out perform dark knight joker, .. my rating is 3/5

wud prefer the interrogation ending scene as the start, .. investigating a case about 'who kill thomas wayne' coz new evidence pops-out during batman era, and the film leads us to the joker storyline as flashbacks.. and linked to the motive that might giv us some starts up towards batman

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I came with low expectation i guess.

coz i didnt see that gore & brutal scenes coming. Damn satisfying watching em blood splatter everywhere.
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Watch last week on premiere..giv it 9/10. like the performance of Joaquin Phoenix as Joker.

But movie action fan will not like this movie.
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I read this somewhere.

"Back then, Joker was created by falling into a chemical reaction"
"In today's society, throw a guy into society, and you'll get Joker."


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haha what a time the great deniro team up with phoenix

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dont forget bro RIVER P died 2 soon years ago and so now little bro JOAQUIM P is flying the PHOENIX family flag high laugh.gif rclxms.gif

4 millenial viewers who dont know who and why RP gone 2 soon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Phoenix#Death

and this classic still 2 this day more painful 2 watch than joker console.gif console.gif

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QUOTE(vinnyming @ Oct 3 2019, 04:42 PM)
I read this somewhere.

"Back then, Joker was created by falling into a chemical reaction"
"In today's society, throw a guy into society, and you'll get Joker."
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It could be a metaphor. Our society is like toxic nowadays....
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I read this somewhere.

"Back then, Joker was created by falling into a chemical reaction"
"In today's society, throw a guy into society, and you'll get Joker."
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Reality .. society can b very toxic .
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Watch it yesterday nite i love it but im sure those action batman fans will not like it lol

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love it! joaquin phoenix never disappoints me in his acting skill
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Been watching the reactions, i must say Joaquin deserves an award.



I think it's the best version of Joker so far
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Been watching the reactions, i must say Joaquin deserves an award.



I think it's the best version of Joker so far
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Ya kah...I'm busy with work...so I can't really catch the film till end of the month...but I'mma asking outta curiosity...does Phoenix's version matches Heath's anarchist portrayal? Or is it watered-down?
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omg f---ing amazing

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Really didn't expect such a performance.... that Murray Franklin scene icon_question.gif Wow!

Hope to catch it again next week.
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somehow i feel more intimidated by Joacquin compared to Heath in the movie.

I guess when the showtime has >90% of on screen time on just 1 actor really speaks volumes about how you need to build the character
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QUOTE(ThalaFan @ Oct 5 2019, 09:05 PM)
Ya kah...I'm busy with work...so I can't really catch the film till end of the month...but I'mma asking outta curiosity...does Phoenix's version matches Heath's anarchist portrayal? Or is it watered-down?
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Heath's joker is like the embodiment of chaotic evil, which makes him in a way, a lot of fun to watch.

JP's joker is much more uncomfortable and disturbing, mainly because he's relatable.
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QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Oct 5 2019, 11:49 PM)
Heath's joker is like the embodiment of chaotic evil, which makes him in a way, a lot of fun to watch.

JP's joker is much more uncomfortable and disturbing, mainly because he's relatable.
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Wow...nicely said...

And I know it's an unpopular theory. But Heath's Joker in Dark Knight was theorized to be war veteran, considerin his lines like "when a truckload of soldier is abt to be shot" or his infamous interrogation scene with Batman where he talks abt being casted-out, "when the chips are down...these civilized ppl will eat each-other...they're only as good as the world allows them to be"...

It's as-if Heath was disavowed war veteran.....and decided to destabilize Gotham's system via anarchism...wheras JP's Joker seems purely Product of Toxic Society...hence it has to bear the consequences of it's creation
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QUOTE(ThalaFan @ Oct 5 2019, 09:05 PM)
Ya kah...I'm busy with work...so I can't really catch the film till end of the month...but I'mma asking outta curiosity...does Phoenix's version matches Heath's anarchist portrayal? Or is it watered-down?
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Heath's Joker is fun to watch. Joaquin's Joker is really epic. You feel sad and scared at the same time. I think people with depression and having same thoughts are better not watching this film. A super actor can get in a character and out of it. People with problems had better not dwell on his thoughts and feeling
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current Joker movie getting lots of praises. even being mentioned as Oscar worthy.
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Superb film, but still think Heath Ledger is the best joker. Kinda a drag if you ask me, but I love the way it's being presented. Masterful storytelling that's very relevant to our current times. Showcasing joker's reputation for being unpredictable and an unreliable narrator, it expertly blurs the lines between what's real and what's not, who's right and who's wrong. It's all a matter of perspective and open to interpretation.



Wouldn't call it a masterpiece, also I think it's a bit overrated. but it's definitely a solid film. 4/5 from me

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5/5 from me. Damn Dark for a comic book movie. Definitely the best Joker, sorry Heath. This Joker is much violence and I love that it had comic book vibe throughout the movie. Poor Tony Stank, can kiss goodbye to Oscar. Ha-ha-ha.
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QUOTE(i.TECHnocrat @ Oct 6 2019, 10:55 AM)
Heath's Joker is fun to watch. Joaquin's Joker is really epic. You feel sad and scared at the same time. I think people with depression and having same thoughts are better not watching this film. A super actor can get in a character and out of it. People with problems had better not dwell on his thoughts and feeling
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Haha same thought as me. But I believe only certain people will appreciate Joaquin’s joker. Like my wife, she doesn’t share the same view as me. Maybe those people who have been in depression state only can appreciate the movie better. brows.gif
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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Oct 6 2019, 01:10 PM)
5/5 from me. Damn Dark for a comic book movie. Definitely the best Joker, sorry Heath. This Joker is much violence and I love that it had comic book vibe throughout the movie. Poor Tony Stank, can kiss goodbye to Oscar. Ha-ha-ha.
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Did Tony stank...sorry did rdj even showed an oscar-worthy performance? 🤣🤣🤣 All he did was being his usual self...

JP even from trailer itself showed phenomenal method acting...and I believe dude lost abt 40 pounds for this film...and all the praises be received for his portrayal in the film....dayum... Oscar confirmed😂😂😂
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QUOTE(ThalaFan @ Oct 6 2019, 01:30 PM)
Did Tony stank...sorry did rdj even showed an oscar-worthy performance? 🤣🤣🤣 All he did was being his usual self...

JP even from trailer itself showed phenomenal method acting...and I believe dude lost abt 40 pounds for this film...and all the praises be received for his portrayal in the film....dayum... Oscar confirmed😂😂😂
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Well, that was what Marvel fans said after Endgame. tongue.gif

Have u watched Joker bro? What was your rating? I’ve seen your comment all over the place, never saw your rating yet. brows.gif

To me, in order to really appreciate this Joker movie, you got to have feelings, you got to feel what’s Arthur felt, you have to understand the character development. Else you’ll felt this movie bland like my wife. Because she didn’t care about what Arthur’s been through throughout the movie.

1 more thing, this Joker doesn’t try to be as Heath, its totally different, I’m not sure why people kept on saying he tried hard to be Heath. He’s unique, and the most logical Joker’s introduction I have ever known. Toxic society! thumbup.gif
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Great act from JP, but to me its not fair to compare with HL due to different screen time, i must say.
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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Oct 6 2019, 01:15 PM)
Haha same thought as me. But I believe only certain people will appreciate Joaquin’s joker. Like my wife, she doesn’t share the same view as me. Maybe those people who have been in depression state only can appreciate the movie better. brows.gif
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Yea, i've had mild depression before. Agree on that
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Well, that was what Marvel fans said after Endgame. tongue.gif

Have u watched Joker bro? What was your rating? I’ve seen your comment all over the place, never saw your rating yet. brows.gif

To me, in order to really appreciate this Joker movie, you got to have feelings, you got to feel what’s Arthur felt, you have to understand the character development. Else you’ll felt this movie bland like my wife. Because she didn’t care about what Arthur’s been through throughout the movie.

1 more thing, this Joker doesn’t try to be as Heath, its totally different, I’m not sure why people kept on saying he tried hard to be Heath. He’s unique, and the most logical Joker’s introduction I have ever known. Toxic society! thumbup.gif
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I am yet to catch the film bro. My schedule is tight till end of this month...I might catch it durin Deepavali holiday season🤣🤣🤣 but I do caught up the film's overwhelmingly positive reviews barring 2-3 mixed ones...watched some reviews from my trustable YouTube channels....and they were positive towards the film as well.

Joker trailer itself created an impact...and I except nothin else from the film for sure. Seems like I'm already sold with JP's method acting
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Both Heath's Joker and Phoenix's Joker are amazingly good, and both for different reasons.

Oscar-worthy performance by Phoenix right here.
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The Joker (2019)

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Eichmann in Jerusalem

Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil is a 1963 book by political theorist Hannah Arendt. Arendt, a Jew who fled Germany during Adolf Hitler's rise to power, reported on Adolf Eichmann's trial for The New Yorker. A revised and enlarged edition was published in 1964.

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Arendt's subtitle famously introduced the phrase "the banality of evil," which also serves as the final words of the book. In part, at least, the phrase refers to Eichmann's deportment at the trial as the man displayed neither guilt for his actions nor hatred for those trying him, claiming he bore no responsibility because he was simply "doing his job"

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I know, it is strange, to do a excerpt from Wikipedia to describe a movie, and for the life of me, it is the best way, I can think of, to, describe this movie...

I am not sure, if Warner Bros know what they have, here, in this movie.

This is 2019's A Clockwork Orange (1971). It is THAT definitive...

It is Dark.

It is Intense.

This is a far cry Joker, compared with what Jared Leto's attempt at the role.

There is NOTHING comic book about this.

Joaquin Phoenix, not quite sure how to state this, of you know the song, Everybody Hurts, you will know what I mean.

He has known pain and suffering in his life. I am NOT a Joaquin Phoenix expert, and have to add, I do know what he was with River Phoenix when he O.D. and died. Maybe that is what he was channeling when he took on this role.

It is breathtaking...

There are so many maybes in this movie
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This is a really excellent and difficult movie to sit through, it is THAT dark.

It is almost unfathomable that the director of The Hangover (2009) did this. It further proves that humor and horror do have similar beats..

The cherry on top, Robert De Niro.

This movie, you need to experience for yourself.

I humble submit to you, my two sen.

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Joker viewers storm out of theatres worldwide over 'disturbing, violent' content

https://www.nst.com.my/lifestyle/groove/201...turbing-violent

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Joker viewers storm out of theatres worldwide over 'disturbing, violent' content

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This one no laughing matter la aiyo🤣🤣🤣 remember the mass shooting incident that took place when Dark Knight Rises premiered?

Just imagine what would've been the mindset of victims when got shot to death just when they watched epic conclusion to their Batman trilogy....what abt the fans dat escaped? Sure as hell would've suffered PTSD till date...unless few strong-willed souls have managed to overcome such traumatic event.

And talk abt Joker...who embodies chaos, psychotic nature & all-out badassery. The fear must've been 10-fold
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... and here we go!

This is one rare origin movie, that’s both shockingly surreal and hauntingly relateable!

What I enjoyed most and truly appreciated, of this movie, is the fact that we, as an audience, were shown, not just told but actually shown, of how Joaquin's character, Arthur, tried to cope with the bad hand ... no, cruel hand that he's dealt with, every single day ... right down to that final moment of total descend to madness!

Truly, to witness someone with a medical condition, treading on some mighty thin ice of sanity, while being shredded apart by the cruelty of society, is hard to watch ... but what makes it even more heartbreaking, is learning how much he holds on to his mother's advise of "My mother always tells me to smile and put on a happy face!”

Just about every scene of the movie tips on Arthur’s character transformation … and while many highlighted about how gradual that process is, I personally thought the movie was perfectly paced, enough to get the audience to be truly invested in Arthur and the struggle that he goes through.

Frankly speaking, I was so invested that there was a point in the movie that I was secretly wishing for some ray of sunshine on his life ... and even then ... darn!

This movie puts a smile on my face … but not before experiencing the tragic downward spiral roller coaster ride, that’s destined towards witnessing the fall of Arthur and the rise of the Joker!

What a ride!

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This is one of those movies that you have to watch it in order to experience it!
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JOKER (2019)

... and here we go!

This is one rare origin movie, that’s both shockingly surreal and hauntingly relateable!

What I enjoyed most and truly appreciated, of this movie, is the fact that we, as an audience, were shown, not just told but actually shown, of how Joaquin's character, Arthur, tried to cope with the bad hand ... no, cruel hand that he's dealt with, every single day ... right down to that final moment of total descend to madness!

Truly, to witness someone with a medical condition, treading on some mighty thin ice of sanity, while being shredded apart by the cruelty of society, is hard to watch ... but what makes it even more heartbreaking, is learning how much he holds on to his mother's advise of "My mother always tells me to smile and put on a happy face!”

Just about every scene of the movie tips on Arthur’s character transformation … and while many highlighted about how gradual that process is, I personally thought the movie was perfectly paced, enough to get the audience to be truly invested in Arthur and the struggle that he goes through.

Frankly speaking, I was so invested that there was a point in the movie that I was secretly wishing for some ray of sunshine on his life ... and even then ... darn!

This movie puts a smile on my face … but not before experiencing the tragic downward spiral roller coaster ride, that’s destined towards witnessing the fall of Arthur and the rise of the Joker!

What a ride!

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This is one of those movies that you have to watch it in order to experience it!
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 6 2019, 11:43 PM)
Joker viewers storm out of theatres worldwide over 'disturbing, violent' content

https://www.nst.com.my/lifestyle/groove/201...turbing-violent

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These folks laugh.gif Pay ticket admission to "R" rated movie - - walk out of cinema due to disturbing content.

WTF logic is this? confused.gif

The movie is for adults... not kids and it's a WORK OF FICTION.

Want less violent content watch PG-13 la...

I remember there were some who complained about "Deadpool" having too much vulgar language doh.gif




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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Oct 7 2019, 11:06 AM)
These folks  laugh.gif  Pay ticket admission to "R" rated movie - - walk out of cinema due to disturbing content.

WTF logic is this?   confused.gif

The movie is for adults... not kids and it's a WORK OF FICTION.

Want less violent content watch PG-13 la...

I remember there were some who complained about "Deadpool" having too much vulgar language  doh.gif
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People now are too sensitive. People didn't complain about films like Godfather then. That film was more violent than joker though... still can't sleep over luca brasi's death dem...



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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 7 2019, 11:29 AM)
People now are too sensitive. People didn't complain about films like Godfather then. That film was more violent than joker though... still can't sleep over luca brasi's death dem...


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And here I was thinking I might be the only guy who watches Godfather & appreciates it's brilliance🤣🤣🤣 it's masterpiece yeah...when its violent, the film turns violent. Who could forget the bloodbath after Michael assumes the throne? Goddamn...it was massacre...and yet..audiences during those times embraced such dark & violent saga...kids these days are mellowed with pg-13, LGBT, leftist whatnot😂😂😂 so everything becomes an issue
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QUOTE(ThalaFan @ Oct 7 2019, 12:10 AM)
This one no laughing matter la aiyo🤣🤣🤣 remember the mass shooting incident that took place when Dark Knight Rises premiered?

Just imagine what would've been the mindset of victims when got shot to death just when they watched epic conclusion to their Batman trilogy....what abt the fans dat escaped? Sure as hell would've suffered PTSD till date...unless few strong-willed souls have managed to overcome such traumatic event.

And talk abt Joker...who embodies chaos, psychotic nature & all-out badassery. The fear must've been 10-fold
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i got the feeling christchurch was inspired by the joker indirectly mega_shok.gif mega_shok.gif

QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 7 2019, 11:29 AM)
People now are too sensitive. People didn't complain about films like Godfather then. That film was more violent than joker though... still can't sleep over luca brasi's death dem...


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And here I was thinking I might be the only guy who watches Godfather & appreciates it's brilliance🤣🤣🤣 it's masterpiece yeah...when its violent, the film turns violent. Who could forget the bloodbath after Michael assumes the throne? Goddamn...it was massacre...and yet..audiences during those times embraced such dark & violent saga...kids these days are mellowed with pg-13, LGBT, leftist whatnot😂😂😂 so everything becomes an issue
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hahahaha today folks are pussies doh.gif

i 80s kid still embracing the america of 1970s just like the joker take in 1970s timeline bruce.gif

marvel are the causes 4 the SJW movement bullshit rclxub.gif
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Most sjw reviewer give negative review on this movie..such a pussie lol..
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http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2015/the-20-m...of-the-1970s/3/
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Brah! Those are some sexay "art" films la! Deep Throat also in the list...lol. rclxms.gif
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Joker made back its budget in one weekend shocking.gif shocking.gif
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Detective Pokemon, Godzilla and IT Chapter 2 performed below expectations...

They sorta needed a hit...

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Dun care. Still gonna watch it. Pokemon too although its bad(pain in the chest).
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 8 2019, 12:54 PM)
Detective Pokemon, Godzilla and IT Chapter 2 performed below expectations...

They sorta needed a hit...
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Ye kah....OMG...and I thought Godzilla: KOTM, IT: Chapter 2, Detective Pokemon did better overseas...I definitely enjoyed Godzilla though...took my entire family to the film
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Ye kah....OMG...and I thought Godzilla: KOTM, IT: Chapter 2, Detective Pokemon did better overseas...I definitely enjoyed Godzilla though...took my entire family to the film
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Yea, Godzilla and IT made less than their previous films, detective pokemon didn't really make a mark lol
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9/10 is my rating, JP joker is not a character, but a real person that beside u n me
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What a brilliant movie. Left the cinema feeling completely satisfied.
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is there any deleted scenes on the violence part? plan to watch this weekend.

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Sooo...the rich doesn't need common sense eh?
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Sooo...the rich doesn't need common sense eh?
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is there any deleted scenes on the violence part? plan to watch this weekend.
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I believe violent scenes are intact, no cuts. Just certain imageries + hand gesture are blurred out.

The violent scenes are integral/pivotal to the plot, so I'm glad they didn't cut any of those.
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The Killing Joke's famous quote of Joker:
“If I’m going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
It's playing to Joker's origin mythos. Nolan's TDK obviously did that as well.
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Joker made back its budget in one weekend  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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Haha batman and warner cannot be separated

Just like DC comics and warner

They are back in the blockbuster season laugh.gif laugh.gif
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maybe this is their common sense

maybe... hmm.gif
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Hahaha to be fair, I actually know one guy who is quite rich. He is quite naive when it comes to spending power of common people that you have to explain it to him that people cant afford something.
You wouldnt believe this kind of people existed until you actually met one like i did. After I met him I realise that sometimes the super rich, doesnt think like most people do.
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That's one of the film's schroedinger cat, maybe not or maybe...  brows.gif
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It all depends on how you wish to interpret the movie.

The director left it open ended for a reason. It’s for you to visualize as how you wish

Among the notable endings that I could interpret: -

1) Right from the beginning Arthur had been in the asylum (he was seen banging his head at a white background during the initial psychiatrist session). All that happens thereafter was purely his imagination right up to the end of the movie where he was in the same / another psychiatrist session

2) He life ended when he went into the refrigerator to kill himself (A quick shift of scene into him waking up to the phone call by Bill Murray suggests he is hallucinating). He did imagine he was an audience during the Bill Murray show when Bill invited him on stage and said he wish he has a son like Arthur.

3) In real life, he did kill Bill Murray and the scene change into him being captured in a police car. However, the scene where an ambulance rammed into the police car and his followers saved and idolize him is fake. As there was a quick scene change from when he was standing on the police car being cheered right into him being in an asylum, it could suggest that he was hallucinating. In addition, the psychiatrist asked him what is so funny, and he just smiled and say you wouldn’t understand

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QUOTE(soul_fly9900 @ Oct 10 2019, 03:55 PM)
Hahaha to be fair, I actually know one guy who is quite rich. He is quite naive when it comes to spending power of common people that you have to explain it to him that people cant afford something.
You wouldnt believe this kind of people existed until you actually met one like i did. After I met him I realise that sometimes the super rich, doesnt think like most people do.
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It all depends on how you wish to interpret the movie.

The director left it open ended for a reason. It’s for you to visualize as how you wish

Among the notable endings that I could interpret: -

1) Right from the beginning Arthur had been in the asylum (he was seen banging his head at a white background during the initial psychiatrist session). All that happens thereafter was purely his imagination right up to the end of the movie where he was in the same / another psychiatrist session

2) He life ended when he went into the refrigerator to kill himself (A quick shift of scene into him waking up to the phone call by Bill Murray suggests he is hallucinating). He did imagine he was an audience during the Bill Murray show when Bill invited him on stage and said he wish he has a son like Arthur.

3)  In real life, he did kill Bill Murray and the scene change into him being captured in a police car. However, the scene where an ambulance rammed into the police car and his followers saved and idolize him is fake. As there was a quick scene change from when he was standing on the police car being cheered right into him being in an asylum, it could suggest that he was hallucinating. In addition, the psychiatrist asked him what is so funny, and he just smiled and say you wouldn’t understand
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Just finished the movie. Must say, this movie is very dark and deep... deserves an award
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Half a billion dollars worldwide gross on a budget of $55-70 million!

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=joker2019.htm
$543 million worldwide gross! blink.gif

Hope to see more 'experimental' DC Black films... these are territories Disney/MCU would shy away.


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Half a billion dollars worldwide gross on a budget of $55-70 million!

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=joker2019.htm
$543 million worldwide gross!  blink.gif 

Hope to see more 'experimental' DC Black films... these are territories Disney/MCU would shy away.
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Half a billion dollars worldwide gross on a budget of $55-70 million!

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=joker2019.htm
$543 million worldwide gross!  blink.gif 

Hope to see more 'experimental' DC Black films... these are territories Disney/MCU would shy away.
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Dats where ur makin the mistake. Not every DC villains are Joker.

Past DCEU trilogy: Mos, BvS & JL was trashed by critics & fans alike for being too dark...and yeah...visually those films were "dark" courtesy of Snyder's photophobia 🤣🤣🤣

Plus in order to experiment, you gotta have be backed by real talent at helm. Speakin abt director. Along with James Wants (Aquaman) & WW director, Todd Philips have managed to strike an ace, thx to their films dedicated actors. Dare say no one could ever pull-off WW better than Gal Gadot, or Aquaman better than Jason Mamoa or Joker than Joaquin Phoenix.
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With this joker, what will happen with Jared Leto's joker? As Harley Quinn of suicide squad is still alive (birds of prey movie). Will this be a standalone movie? Are we going to ignore Leto's incarnation?
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There are many epic scenes in this movie. Here's some clips and reactions online (warning spoilers)

Joker dances in bathroom scene. If we dance like that it's cringy; Joaquin does it so beautifully yet creepy. It's an art
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Arthur met Bruce Wayne
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Joker dances on stairs. Some epic reaction by the crowds in theatres. This clip is closest to that right now
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Joker draws a smile with his blood, tear drop can be clearly seen. Signifies that Arthur has died, Joker rises. Sad and scary.
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Joaquin and Todd Philips created one of the best movies in history
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QUOTE(damnself @ Oct 20 2019, 10:57 AM)
With this joker, what will happen with Jared Leto's joker? As Harley Quinn of suicide squad is still alive (birds of prey movie). Will this be a standalone movie? Are we going to ignore Leto's incarnation?
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Read the comments online, nobody wants to see Leto's Joker anymore. Labelled as the worst
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With this joker, what will happen with Jared Leto's joker? As Harley Quinn of suicide squad is still alive (birds of prey movie). Will this be a standalone movie? Are we going to ignore Leto's incarnation?
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Think they are shelving Leto's Prince of Crime. Guess boils down to Reeves's Batman reception. Whether recast or repackage Leto for future iteration. Arthur Fleck meant to be a standalone and won't interact at all with DCEU continuity.
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QUOTE(6so @ Oct 20 2019, 11:12 AM)
Think they are shelving Leto's Prince of Crime. Guess boils down to Reeves's Batman reception. Whether recast or repackage Leto for future iteration. Arthur Fleck meant to be a standalone and won't interact at all with DCEU continuity.
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It's sad to see if they didn't continue this joker as it was spot on. But I understand it will be hard to implement in the world full of super power beings. A different joker than Heath but really someone who we can relate.

QUOTE(i.TECHnocrat @ Oct 20 2019, 11:05 AM)
Read the comments online, nobody wants to see Leto's Joker anymore. Labelled as the worst
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We all know it's the worst. What I meant is how they want to implement a new joker when you used the same Harley Quinn but ignoring Leto.

Anyway can anyone tell me what happen before the part “I just hope my death makes more sense than my life.” in the early movie. Missed that part. Waiting for the kids to sleep before going out for a date with wife 🤣
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Watched. It's a great performance by Joaquin. However, I still think Dark Knight's Joker is better.

I think this movie is a hit because it felt so real as it could happen to a society.

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prefer HL to JP.
JP did great though.

just that storyline wise is a bit plain vanilla to me and pacing could be quicker.

some scenes lingers on too long and felt unnecessary.
beautiful movie nevertheless in terms of cinematography and locations.
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Just finished the movie. Must say, this movie is very dark and deep... deserves an award
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Woohoo 1 billion coming up

Its reaching the deadpool heels pretty soon
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Joker's body looks deformed around the left shoulder...
why is tht so?
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Well, that was what Marvel fans said after Endgame. tongue.gif

Have u watched Joker bro? What was your rating? I’ve seen your comment all over the place, never saw your rating yet. brows.gif

To me, in order to really appreciate this Joker movie, you got to have feelings, you got to feel what’s Arthur felt, you have to understand the character development. Else you’ll felt this movie bland like my wife. Because she didn’t care about what Arthur’s been through throughout the movie.

1 more thing, this Joker doesn’t try to be as Heath, its totally different, I’m not sure why people kept on saying he tried hard to be Heath. He’s unique, and the most logical Joker’s introduction I have ever known. Toxic society! thumbup.gif
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Finally, I watched the film tonight. 3/5 or 7/10 imo. And dats being super lenient

One thing bothered me. Why didn't the director push the envelope? Like really. I can understand Phoenix's portrayal was meant to be relatable, epic. I wanted more screen-time of Robert de Niro, more of Bruce Wayne, or his actions abt his agenda..or extend Joker's ferocity or display his smartness in my favourite scene of the film (train segment). Joaquin Phoenix gave his best performance...and dare say very few actors could do justice to this film. But I was left wanting more

Unless it's sequel has lotsa in-store, I'd rather prefer Heath's portrayal. I'm saying this cuz Russo Brother's Captain America: Winter Soldier & Civil War added lotsa weight & value to 1st film, CA: The first Avenger.

I'm saying this unless Joker 2 rocks by pushing the envelope, I'd pick Ledger considering his anarchist agenda stroke terror in me (and pretty sure most viewers watching him). Phoenix was sympathetic character till last 30 mins or so. Really wished makers pushed the envelope giving us more Joker than Arthur Fleck

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Finally, I watched the film tonight. 3/5 or 7/10 imo. And dats being super lenient

One thing bothered me. Why didn't the director push the envelope? Like really. I can understand Phoenix's portrayal was meant to be relatable, epic. I wanted more screen-time of Robert de Niro, more of Bruce Wayne, or his actions abt his agenda..or extend Joker's ferocity or display his smartness in my favourite scene of the film (train segment). Joaquin Phoenix gave his best performance...and dare say very few actors could do justice to this film. But I was left wanting more

Unless it's sequel has lotsa in-store, I'd rather prefer Heath's portrayal. I'm saying this cuz Russo Brother's Captain America: Winter Soldier & Civil War added lotsa weight & value to 1st film, CA: The first Avenger.

I'm saying this unless Joker 2 rocks by pushing the envelope, I'd pick Ledger considering his anarchist agenda stroke terror in me (and pretty sure most viewers watching him). Phoenix was sympathetic character till last 30 mins or so. Really wished makers pushed the envelope giving us more Joker than Arthur Fleck
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Ahahaha, yup agreed with everything that u said, its entirely different than Heath since he has been the Joker for quite some time and this is why he is the best Joker since he got the chance to portrayed Joker in its full glory. Heath is an anarchist type, while Joaquin to me is a psychopath after everything that he has been thru with his life. Both of them are awesome! Its just that like u said, we have yet to see Joaquin‘s Joker in its full glory like Heath’s, as this is just the origin story and to me, it’s damn awesome!! Especially on the last 30 mins. Ha-ha-ha. biggrin.gif

But a major turn off for me after dwelling deep regarding this movie, turns out it could all be just a total BS created by Arthur, as the director want us to think and interpret the movie ourself. Haha. There are few clues that could led to Arthur just simply made up all the story and all of it was not real. Haha.
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I agree that Heath Ledger was the best Joker in the history of films about this hero. But we all know at what cost this role was given to him.
But it seems to me that the last movie about the Joker is simply out of competition with everyone else. There is a different plot, another reason for the Joker's hatred of society and the leading actor coped with the game more than worthily.
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Can't compare Heath to Joaquin. Totally, totally different methodology/approach.

In fact, I went in watching this film not wanting to compare to Heath's performance (which yes, is still remarkable).

Heath <> Joaquin = both deserve the same standing ovation.

In terms of "filmic quality" - - TDK is indeed better than "Joker". But in terms of the actor portraying the crown prince - - both deserve equal praise. I refuse to say one is better than the other.

Joaquin is guaranteed IMO to get at least a Golden Globe Nomination for Best Actor while I'm hopeful for an Oscar nomination. An Oscar win may not happen as I've not seen the full field of contenders but a Golden Globe I think (since HFPA tends to favor popularity to some degree) is in the bag.

Joker will become the first R-rated film topping the huge $1 billion mark at the box office

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fter grossing $37 million internationally and $14 million domestically at the weekend box office, Warner Bros.’ super-villain origin tale Joker has amassed an impressive $934 million in global theatrical receipts. So it is now inevitable – Joker will become the first R-rated film topping the huge $1 billion mark at the box office.

It’s especially impressive that Joker will manage the $1 billion feat without a release in China, making it the first first-release film since 2008’s The Dark Knight to do so.


No China release and it is close to topping $1 billion + R-rated film. Wow.
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Stunning work, we take it for granted sometimes... but then again we shouldn't notice these as it should blend into our movie experience seamlessly.

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No China release and it is close to topping $1 billion + R-rated film. Wow.
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Made with 70 million dollars only... probably among the most profitable movies ever made

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Made with 70 million dollars only... probably among the most profitable movies ever made

*laughs at WB for thinking that DC characters are not bankable enough*

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I'd say it worked cuz it was "Joker" brand value + Joaquin Phoenix's magic.

Dare say no other MCU or DCEU' mc/villain/anti-hero-driven film could've made it as big as Joker did @ BO had not for those 2 aspects

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Stunning work, we take it for granted sometimes... but then again we shouldn't notice these as it should blend into our movie experience seamlessly.
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Almost there...

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It seems WB Executives were surprised by the reception... laugh.gif
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Just watched the movie and hot damn Joaquin Phoenix are awesome, maybe even better than the late Heath ledger. Imho an Oscar nomination worthy.
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Joker just hit one billion, without 3D and China


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Congrats $1 billion worldwide on a budget of $50-70 million

WB apparently split the production cost 3-way
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Going by the general rule of thumb, a film needs to double its production budget at the box office in order to make its money back (covering marketing and distribution costs). Using that formula, Joker would be clear after grossing a measly $128 million globally. As of this writing, Joker has earned about $993.8 million, so it's turned approximately $865.8 million in profit from ticket sales (the film will earn even more money once it hits home media). It's unknown what kind of arrangement WB, BRON, and Village Roadshow worked out, but if they're to split the profits equally three ways, WB stands to receive around $288.6 million for their investment.


No wonder WB executives said they were surprised by the reception... how they wish they could have had it all! tongue.gif
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Just watched the movie and hot damn Joaquin Phoenix are awesome, maybe even better than the late Heath ledger. Imho an Oscar nomination worthy.
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JP has the whole movie while HL only have limited time in the batman movie. Both has their shares of greatness in their respective movies. But i still give slight upper hand to HL.
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Haha nice

Finally R rated deserving PG13 icing on the cake

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post Nov 21 2019, 02:26 PM

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'Joker' Sequel in the Works as Todd Phillips Eyes More DC Origin Movies
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-visi...-movies-1256255

What more joker stories is there to tell, unless you bring in batman? And is it gonna be battinson, or another batman actor?



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post Nov 21 2019, 06:08 PM

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Hmm... interesting. The film works best standalone, and if they were to spawn a sequel/sequels, it will make the film less powerful IMO.

Doing a sequel is basically an invitation for another DC character to appear... young Batman? I don't know.

The 'missing factor' in the Joker film is a hero, as in a "superhero". Can't really think of a good way to continue the Joker story with just Joker alone. Or perhaps the whole thing was in his mind and this time he really does it. hmm.gif
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post Nov 22 2019, 07:42 AM

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Haha deng

I just wish side character strong in sequel

If not its gonna flop hard
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post Jun 9 2022, 09:25 AM

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Joker: Folie à Deux

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For the subtitle, a very interesting read:
https://www.distractify.com/p/joker-folie-a-deux-meaning

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What is the meaning of the 'Joker' sequel subtitle, "Folie à Deux"?
According to a 2005 study published in the Indian Journal of Psychiatry, the term "Folie à deux" is defined as "an identical or similar mental disorder affecting two or more individuals, usually the members of a close family."

But, when translated literally, Folie à deux means "madness for two."

With this in mind, fan theories are already circulating online as many have begun to discuss how Folie à deux's meaning could indicate potential storylines in the upcoming film. As of now, hundreds of fans are fully convinced that the "madness of two" translation suggests the one and only Harley Quinn will appear alongside the Joker.

"Folie à deux translates to "shared madness," so ... there's gonna be Harley Quinn in it ... that raises the question: Who will play her?" one fan shared on Twitter.

Another added, "They've gotta be doing a version of Harley Quinn; the subtitle Folie á Deux translates to "madness for two," and look at the colors: black and red." Honestly, we didn't even notice the black and red color scheme — that's very interesting.

On the other hand, another prominent fan theory states that folie à deux implies that there will be two Jokers in the film. It's official: We really need this to be the case! But who will play the other Joker? Well, look no further than Willem Dafoe.
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post Jul 23 2024, 10:16 PM

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A unique take for a sequel; a musical.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 23 2024, 10:16 PM)


A unique take for a sequel; a musical.
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I not expecting another $1 billion hit

This one at most $800 million laugh.gif rclxms.gif

 

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