QUOTE(ThalaFan @ Oct 25 2019, 11:17 PM)
Finally, I watched the film tonight. 3/5 or 7/10 imo. And dats being super lenient
One thing bothered me. Why didn't the director push the envelope? Like really. I can understand Phoenix's portrayal was meant to be relatable, epic. I wanted more screen-time of Robert de Niro, more of Bruce Wayne, or his actions abt his agenda..or extend Joker's ferocity or display his smartness in my favourite scene of the film (train segment). Joaquin Phoenix gave his best performance...and dare say very few actors could do justice to this film. But I was left wanting more
Unless it's sequel has lotsa in-store, I'd rather prefer Heath's portrayal. I'm saying this cuz Russo Brother's Captain America: Winter Soldier & Civil War added lotsa weight & value to 1st film, CA: The first Avenger.
I'm saying this unless Joker 2 rocks by pushing the envelope, I'd pick Ledger considering his anarchist agenda stroke terror in me (and pretty sure most viewers watching him). Phoenix was sympathetic character till last 30 mins or so. Really wished makers pushed the envelope giving us more Joker than Arthur Fleck
Ahahaha, yup agreed with everything that u said, its entirely different than Heath since he has been the Joker for quite some time and this is why he is the best Joker since he got the chance to portrayed Joker in its full glory. Heath is an anarchist type, while Joaquin to me is a psychopath after everything that he has been thru with his life. Both of them are awesome! Its just that like u said, we have yet to see Joaquin‘s Joker in its full glory like Heath’s, as this is just the origin story and to me, it’s damn awesome!! Especially on the last 30 mins. Ha-ha-ha.

But a major turn off for me after dwelling deep regarding this movie, turns out it could all be just a total BS created by Arthur, as the director want us to think and interpret the movie ourself. Haha. There are few clues that could led to Arthur just simply made up all the story and all of it was not real. Haha.