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post May 21 2021, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Rhetoric @ May 21 2021, 09:03 PM)
I believe according to Nvidia the LHR will be labelled in retail product listings and on the box. I cant wait to see the first independent benchmark comparing the performance of both variant.
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i'm more interested if running cuda applications will it be false flag and halved the speed
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post May 22 2021, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(washedout @ May 22 2021, 05:08 AM)
Thanks for this info. Helped me on identifying my GPU. Based on my my device ID, I can safely say it's the current 3080 version. Am i right?https://imgur.com/a/WXpqyd1

Tried to do casual mining but I am only getting 60Mhs out of the box which is abit disappointing for a 3080.  Planning to repaste my GPU as the vram temp hovers around 100c
https://imgur.com/a/9js87MI
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ May 22 2021, 09:31 AM)
That's because they overclock the memory as well and if it's a dell, go back a few pages on how to reduce vram temps.
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VRAM throttling should be at 110C unless dell programmed it to 100C. stock 3080 should mine slightly above 80mh/s, with OC around 95mh/s. My 3090 i settle it at 95-106mh/s depending on my room temp, I don't want to open my card to deal with the VRAM, could OC and mine at 120mh/s if have AC haha.

From what I read eth mining seems to make the VRAM consume more power than normal.
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post May 22 2021, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(kopiride @ May 22 2021, 12:54 PM)
Your vram temp 108c. Hoho. Can cook egg they say.
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you're right, 108C haha, definitely VRAM thermal throttling

My 3090 has like 1mm thick metal blackplate with heatpipes carrying heat from the VRAM modules, it is too hot to the touch. I put a 120mm fan to cool it but I haven't put thermal pads and small heatsinks on it yet, so I just underclock the memory. current room temp 35C haha

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post May 23 2021, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(altk1989 @ May 23 2021, 05:55 PM)
Im ordered on April 13 tho, so lead time about 1 month tho...
Just done testing some mining, it is not LHR version, but boi, the memory temperature really bad lol... already 106 celsius withou any oc, with fan running 75%...need some diy lol
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QUOTE(undine @ May 23 2021, 06:19 PM)
nice, congrats

I saw several videos switching the front intake and radiator fans to Corsair ML120 Pro Non-RGB version & installing another fan for push/pull config on the rads
Replacing the front intake seems easy enough, but the other 2 need to take out and re-paste the AIO/CPU blurgh

BTW, what's the room temperature like?
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yeah room temp matters, today my room temp reached 37C hole shiet, i went out to work on my garden and it was cooler under the sun...
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post May 26 2021, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(keenie @ May 26 2021, 12:19 PM)
Guys, I encountered gpu usage sudden drop occasionally which making my game having this micro stuttering. Even tho having my game cap below my monitor hz, gsync compatible on, vsync off, temp limit max using msiab. Gpu temp was never above 75c zzz. The sudden drop is occuring maybe at time 11 minutes then it will drop again at 13 minutes then later maybe 16 or 17 minues time lol.

Even ran heaven benchmark and monitored the gpu usage graph. Sometimes it drops until 1x% and 0% usage. Windows setting high performance, cpu clocks at 5.1 all time no drop. Definitely not cpu throttling because cpu temp never exceeds 80c for benchmarking and gaming. So frustrated troubleshooting for few days lol. Been Google many ideas from webpages, still not solved.

Anyone can enlighten me with some ideas to troubleshoot even more? Thanks yo.

Edit: More info, Dell Rtx3080 transferred to new case. Corsair Rm850x, 11900kf noctua d15, z590 aorus master, 16gb 3600cl16, windows sx8200, game on sata ssd drive, geforce exp overlay off. 2 individual 8pin cables from psu to gpu. Power draw at around 300w above during load. Max performance power plan in nvidiaCP.
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curious on your cpu power consumption and gpu power consumption while gaming, both oced?
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post May 27 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(keenie @ May 27 2021, 01:09 AM)
Cpu clock speed is constant with cpu temp constant around 52-55c. Should not be cpu problem.
Same case during undervolt 1800/900 and 875, temp around 65c ish. I thought gpu power limited, that’s why now i max temp limit and troubleshoot using stock setting.

So weird, previously smooth as butter. As I play on gsync + fps cap. Tomorrow gonna try roll back to old driver see see.
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yeah really weird, i never had microstutter issues on my rtx3090, rtx3070 and gtx1070ti after i changed my CPU to 8700k
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post May 28 2021, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(faiz2036 @ May 28 2021, 09:28 AM)
i also have micro stuttering after update to latest nvidia driver when playing RDO.

i think i need to revert back to previous driver.
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I'm using 466.27, interesting because we use the same monitor. I play while mining too lol
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post May 28 2021, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 28 2021, 10:08 AM)
Those using 466.27, suggest change to newer driver.

Nvidia so fast release newer driver 466.47 obvious that 466.27 driver is problematic.

So far so good to me in 466.47 and not facing any issue like in 466.27.
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what issues in 466.27?
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post May 28 2021, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 28 2021, 10:18 AM)
Main issue I face constantly freeze from sleep for my laptop (Intel Core i7-6700HQ, Nvidia GeForce GTX 970M) and also my PC (AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, Nvidia Geforce RTX 3080).

Some user also comment others issue at Guru3D forum.
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oh no wonder, because i never let my PC sleeps biggrin.gif
i constantly let it mine and render some 3d stuffs
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post May 31 2021, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(cawan @ May 31 2021, 12:25 PM)
eg 1xxx series to 2xxx series nvidia bring ray tracing.

from 2xxx to 3xxx series? what extra technologies different?
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In gaming wise, slightly more efficient because 12nm moved to 8nm, 220watt rtx3070 vs 250watt 2080ti.

But the biggest change is the fact that ampere is whole different arch focused on productivity vs gaming. It absolutely destroys Turing in for example 3d rendering, RTX3070 is faster than 2080ti for these things. RTX3090 is just a monster for 3d rendering, and the 24GB VRAM, fuh you can just cram in many 8K textures without much worry
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post Jun 1 2021, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(l0k0 @ Jun 1 2021, 04:55 PM)
1200 usd ...

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RM3360? Can only buy non price markup RTX3060 now (RM2999-3199) with bundle required lel
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post Jun 2 2021, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jun 2 2021, 12:45 AM)
Considering RT performance right now, there's very little reason to go RTX considering how little games actually uses proper ray tracing (even if they do, it often comes with a significant performance penalty) icon_idea.gif

The only reason I may consider going RTX is DLSS, but that one might become a hard sell in the future since AMD's FSR may soon become very popular and widely adopted in games as it will be used on consoles as well (note that FSR is crossplatform, and will work from integrated graphics to next-gen consoles) icon_idea.gif
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RTX performance hit is worth it in reality, because it's way more realistic than rasterization based lighting. Of course there are performance penalty, just like before ray tracing in games era, we used to complain ultra quality shadow incur too much fps loss vs high or medium quality biggrin.gif
The reason RTX is not as beautiful as you would expect from like those 3d animations in the movie is because it is hybrid ray trace and rasterization rendering atm. I only know two full path trace games which is minecraft and quake RTX, night and day difference. And DLSS is the magic pill that moved us forward because in the future we will go into full path traced games, and resolution increase with ray tracing is way more pronounced FPS loss. It's so intelligent to offload the processing to the tensor cores. Plus Nvidia never wasted the tensor and RT + GPU core design, as it is very important in productivity software too.

Also the reason i never buy AMD atm because their support for productivity apps and OpenCL sucks, can't even run blender cycles rendering properly without buying third party plugin. And that's just to catch up with CUDA, while Nvidia already moved on from CUDA to Optix in 3d rendering softwares, utilizing the RT cores and the performance uplift vs CUDA is very significant. the RTX3090 is a monster in 3d rendering.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jun 2 2021, 02:11 AM)
Nah it seems dlss is very worth the commitment. And since it's pure software, it means the tensor cores should be able to support any matrix calculations including microsoft's directML super sampling which could potentially replace DLSS if it goes mainstream, which will be a win for nvidia too because they no longer need to depend on themselves to perform the training on their own super computers.

AMD technically have no hope unless they start to pickup on designing neural nodes which they are already very very far behind. So far that AVX512 could outperform their gpu on AI. The future is pretty much set with AI upsampling when it comes to gpu. Pretty soon it will be capable to upscale from 1080p to 8K.
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DLSS is amazing, AMD should've gone with directML. AMD itself actually capable of putting RT and tensor cores in the future but they jumped the gun now and commited to the inferior FSR. Well at least with FSR, it is better than resolution scaling in current games lol


If AMD had supported productivity apps well and as good as CUDA, I would have bought 6800XT or 6900XT lol, I saw offer of 6900XT for around RM6.5k when I sold my RTX3070 for around rm5k last time.

Lastly, AMD actually sucked with linux drivers, 6800XT doesn't work in linux on launch day, 5700XT have serious issues on linux for months after launch.

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QUOTE(targon @ Jun 2 2021, 11:36 AM)
And may have Great products and lots of promises. But stability , consistency & support are issues. Especially Stability. They never put this as priority for consumers.
They are already promising 3d stack stuff. But what's the real deal if it's not stable and consistent.
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not enough engineers to polish, their teams are way smaller than intel & nvidia
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post Jun 2 2021, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Rainings @ Jun 2 2021, 03:45 PM)
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AMD answered to Nvidia DLSS
maybe for non RTX users can keep their card a bit longer, this brings new life for older cards like 1060. less e-waste and good for evironment. let see how it goes in the future.
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dlss2.0 retains alot of the sharpness and details if you chose quality mode, very native like

AMD FSR made it blurrier, even the higher quality mode you attached in your post

DLSS 2.0 = super minimal visual downgrade vs native, sometimes clearer than native in certain areas

FSR = some visual downgrade vs native

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post Jun 3 2021, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(cwk_lowyat @ Jun 2 2021, 11:56 PM)
The physical size of 3080 ti is impressive,
we might start to see 3080 ti build in ITX case.
But wtf is the market price? 60Mh card still price at RM10.4k~12k
GIGABYTE GEFORCE RTX™ 3080 Ti : RM10.4k
Palit GeForce RTX 3080 Ti: RM12k
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that price can almost get rtx3090 already with marked up
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post Jun 3 2021, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jun 3 2021, 11:21 AM)
Time to change thermal pad and paste also watercooling my rtx3080 with double layer water block

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Isn't rtx3080 vulcan already have good heatsinks? If just gaming not much VRAM heating issues. I game on my 3090 and VRAM temp is 90+C when room temp is like 33C

VRAM heating problem only when i run mining lol
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post Jun 3 2021, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Jun 3 2021, 03:02 PM)
Thats already marked up no? 3060 isn't much better or worse than previous gen cards no?
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sadly that's the price of most 3060 in shops, and still requires bundle

msrp is not like before
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post Jun 3 2021, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(cwk_lowyat @ Jun 3 2021, 02:52 PM)
Comparing with 3080, it might seems like a good deal.
But the pricing is lackluster comparing with 3090.

-rich people who spent 10k on a single graphic card don't mind spending 2k more to get 3090 for top performance.
-3090 has almost double the VRAM for 4k gaming
-same hash rate and mining profitability with 3070 only
-hash rate limiter will affect the resell value in future, 3090 has more resell value in the long run
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lol exactly why I grab myself a 3090, plus it's the suprim version which I liked. Covid really made me chose to enjoy my life in lockdown haha, I don't want later died suddenly I can't even enjoy my own money (my assets already in early 7 digits...)

the markup i sold my 3070, fits exactly for the markup i paid for my 3090, i liked that even if gpu price crashed, it still at least worth the msrp to fall into
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post Jun 4 2021, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(cwk_lowyat @ Jun 4 2021, 02:28 AM)
I though corporate prefer Quadro card  ohmy.gif
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quadros are for those who use very specific feature sets, like those in 3D CAD softwares etc, workstations which requires aftermarket professional app support where uptime is important, and also some quadro specific sync not found in geforce, even bigger VRAM iinm 48GB.

3090 also already have built in memory error correction

3090 really needed 3 pcie to show it's power. lesser parts in 3080ti just means it can boost more with the same total power budget. 1700mhz 3090 already can use 300watts, undervolt only helps a little.

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post Jun 4 2021, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jun 4 2021, 08:18 AM)
This is for machine learning rtx3090 is the most capable but mostly are using 2080 or 1080Ti as they have implemented the systems few years ago. And many things do not need to pay the quadro premium nowadays. As long as there's CUDA it's good enough.

https://lambdalabs.com/gpu-workstations/vector
This one has rtx3090 as the first option. And you see their big big clients like apple, amazon, MIT... so now imagine nvidia licking their fingers counting money.

Nvidia sales is off the charts between 2018-2021 but the revenue didnt increase that much because they are selling amperes and turings too cheap laugh.gif as many data centers are not buying the quadro. While 2021 scalpers are getting the profits.
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probably a strategy by nvidia to cement firm hold on professional applications where AMD don't really care to compete.

got review out already for 3080ti cuda performance test? Wonder if the hash rate limiter will activate on apps that uses cuda and limits it. Most ethereum miners run on cuda.

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