Look where their company/main factory is based in. You can see their company profile. Also long time established wellknown AIB ie Asus, MSI, Giga, etc are from Taiwan. Newer/unknown brands are likely from China AIB.

EDIT: Also since China not allowed to use full 4090/5090, their product page without these (and maybe with D version instead) is another sign they are from China. Ie Manli has said they wont be bringing 5090 as their highest card for export is 5080 and their 5090D is for China only.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Feb 9 2025, 05:12 PM

Doesnt matter really, they all doing it so the whole building is a scumbaggery scam. Let them rot on the shelves!

If there is any redeeming value on Asus overprices is their GPU 12V rails comes with shunt resistors for each powerline (also a LED indicator if not connected properly) thereby having the most 'safest' of the high powered cards out there. Maybe its like buying insurance, pay 25-50% more but your $2000 GPU wont die as easily as other brands bcoz of "user error".

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Feb 10 2025, 05:42 PM

AI bubble wont easily die as fast cuz this time it got major companies backing & trillions $$$ coming in unlike mining which is more private small time players. AI also has a lot more use to general population compared to mining and people once hooked to AI wont be letting go easily.

My upgrade plan anyhow is to ride out until 6000series but looking at how sucky GPUs had stagnated even to the 80 class high end, I beginning to doubt that even the next generation will have meaning uplift on par with my 3060Ti. Either I will have to suckup Nvidia horseshit and buy whatever Jensen feels like charging & distros here feels like ripping, or else I just hold onto my major upgrade until I just do a totally new system.

The scam of scalping & bundling deal for 5000series isnt just limited to Msia, its happening elsewhere too



The whole world is scum

Dont bet on it dying soon, or rather Im more confident AI boom will still last until 6000series & beyond. When you see companies are throwing money into this, its not gonna be short term.

Funny thing is, if ETH mining didnt self destruct by its creators, we would still be in a mining + now AI scalping alternate scary future. No GPUS would be spared as miner buying bots will sapu even 5070s & 5060s while AI players rob all the 5090 & 5080 as we seen today. This will extend to AMD GPUS too as Radeons are known to be pretty good mining ETH.

Then we would be here discussing which 3050 to get which are now being scalped for 2X the MSRP. Haha!

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Feb 12 2025, 12:49 PM

No way can get brand new midrange 3000series GPU. But there is market for used 3080/3090s.

Well yes & no to my limited understanding. What I know these shops (aka resellers) are only holding whatever stocks you see displayed on shelfs which isnt a lot so they arent making losses by holding on while forcing whoever despo to buy will pay scalper fees. These resellers gets the bulk of their wares from main distros (aka stockists) so when you see sudden burst of stocks (or reappearance of 4090s) its from these resellers that were the ones hoarding.

Resellers themselves are also guilty in their collusion with these distros to sell as bundles or as complete system (often with other parts sold by the same distro ie mobo, psu, etc).

Then we have the big kahuna like AMD Msia that setup stupid Radeon local MSRP pricing on par with Geforce tiers when globally its sold one tier below Nvidias. This is also why nobody here buys Radeons.

What can we do, well NOTHING. 4000series sales was quite poor vs 3000 so there was hope 5000series will give the meaningful uplift but nope, Jensen predicted right and 5000 had the worst gen on gen uplift yet today we see even 5080 gets sold out (vs 4080 where there were actually stocks just nobody wants it then).

8GB VRAM be damned I will likely continue using my 3060TI, turning down settings, until years downline I cannot tahan anymore and at least pay a scalper fee later than sooner. Maybe 7000series maybe 8000series.

Dont know. I guess it depends, it has the VRAM buffer but can it do AI? If not, i think resale will be about used 4070Ti price.

Why? Cuz AMD Msia is smoking strong weed thinking their Radeons are hotshits. I betcha local marketshare is even worse than global average which is like 20-30% so Msia is prolly < 20% and their happy with it!

Wait? Wat? Havent heard of this guy?


Then again the impression of Zotac

If distros sees despos willing to pay 20k PC sets you think few months time they willing to let up and give more stocks as since their controlling the stocks availability? Even if the world supply is back in order they will still milk idiots until there is no more willing waterfishes, only then they will start selling ala carte at near MSRP. How long would that be?! My take will be at least until next year when Supers refresh to come.

Maybe cuz 1 waterfish willing to spend RM 20k for full 5090 PC is worth more that 2 coming to buy just 5090 for RM 10k only. Sales efficiency expend energy to sell to 1 person instead of selling to 2 pax. And its always easier to close sale with despo waterfishes.

Business 101.

If I have only 5x 5090s, do I sell ala carte for RM 10k each, or do I bundle as PC and sell to 5 waterfishes for RM 20k?
Lets see profit margin (5 x 10k) = RM 50k vs (5 x 20k) = RM 100k

Of course there are those who wants a whole new rig, what I meant to say even then please dont pay RM 30k for whats supposed to be a 20k system, your only feeding their greed and causing others to wait even longer. Dont pay the scalper fees even if your despo.

Availability wise cant really blame the shops even your willing to pay up, if you want it immediately. By now those 1st batch arrivals would be all gone.
So if you want to be in line I guess the fastest would be to stick to a big box store ie ALLIT, TMT, Viewnet, see if you can put a booking fee, and I believe you will be next in line to get a 5090 rig once 2nd batch stocks arrive.

You would prolly have to wait until Q4 2025 for Msian stocks to be plenty and perhaps maybe prices closer to AIB MSRP. Yes I know we're in Q1...

Can't be more disappointing? Ohh you havent seen 5060s yet...

TSMC 4N (used by GB) is a matured process now since its used by AD gen so I doubt there is plentiful defected GB203 dies for downbinning to 5070Ti. Looking at the shortage scenario, Nvidia would want to push as much of this chip to become 5080s instead.

For highend GPU better not try luck with these China modding parts. For cable extensions/sleeves try get Cablemods, its more expensive but at least with better assurance on their QC.

You can drop an email to Cablemod asking for purchase advice. IINM i think there are unofficial resellers here. Their good thing is, if your PSU is popular model they can customise the wiring pinout accordingly so you just connect the extension direct from PSU to GPU.

As I said, mod cables from china (ie Asia horse, EZY, etc) is questionable reputation vs the more popular Western brands*. For your expensive GPU better not to scrooge and go cheap.

*some will back up their rep by warranty replacing your GPU/PSU if such cables fail. You dont get that assurance from china

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Feb 14 2025, 04:55 PM