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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Jun 4 2025, 05:17 PM)
Anyone tried the Stellar Blade demo? Seems smooth on my side but I notice very slight hitching when hitting enemies or loading new scenes. Still playable compared to the horrid Square GOTG game. That one stutters like crazy. Close to impossible to play. Thinking of dropping it completely.
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Sometimes stuttering could be due to shader issue. For example, after the monster hunter wilds' update, the game stuttering like hell. I did a driver roll back, re-loaded the shader, and then re-installed the latest driver again, and reloaded the shader again, then the stuttering issue solved.
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Jun 4 2025, 05:17 PM)
Anyone tried the Stellar Blade demo? Seems smooth on my side but I notice very slight hitching when hitting enemies or loading new scenes. Still playable compared to the horrid Square GOTG game. That one stutters like crazy. Close to impossible to play. Thinking of dropping it completely.
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Unsurprising as SB a UE game. UE are known to have stutter issues.
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NVIDIA reportedly preparing GeForce RTX 5050 desktop GPU for July release
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-reported...or-july-release

don like 5060? nvidia give more option 5050
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QUOTE(PJng @ Jun 5 2025, 09:19 PM)
NVIDIA reportedly preparing GeForce RTX 5050 desktop GPU for July release
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-reported...or-july-release

don like 5060? nvidia give more option 5050
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5060/Ti 8GB will have hard time with 9060XT 8GB/16GB.
5050? 199 USD please. icon_idea.gif Looks decent to replace the aged 3050.

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post Jun 5 2025, 09:39 PM

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just when i thought they are trying to drop the xx60 cards, now nvidia dropping xx50s? interesting.
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QUOTE(justone @ Jun 5 2025, 09:39 PM)
just when i thought they are trying to drop the xx60 cards, now nvidia dropping xx50s? interesting.
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Its still new, nvidia wont be dropping prices anytime soon. But 5050 is long overdue since they skipped a gen.
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post Jun 6 2025, 07:03 AM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Jun 4 2025, 05:17 PM)
Anyone tried the Stellar Blade demo? Seems smooth on my side but I notice very slight hitching when hitting enemies or loading new scenes
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Tested, no such issues on my side

This game seems good graphics but at the same time it does feel a bit like combination of ps3 feeling + next gen feeling

Highest setting based FPS around 200+-, with frame genx4 getting around 450-700+fps

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 5 2025, 09:24 PM)
5060/Ti 8GB will have hard time with 9060XT 8GB/16GB.
5050? 199 USD please. icon_idea.gif Looks decent to replace the aged 3050.
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I 50/50 predict 5050 will come in at $249/250 unless Nvidia has plan for a 5050TI which in case it will probably drop to 220/230 (the TI will slot at 270/280).
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 6 2025, 08:26 AM)
I 50/50 predict 5050 will come in at $249/250 unless Nvidia has plan for a 5050TI which in case it will probably drop to 220/230 (the TI will slot at 270/280).
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AMD could just make a 96bit 12GB 9060 GRE at $249 and it performs like a 5060. brows.gif
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 08:31 AM)
AMD could just make a 96bit 12GB 9060 GRE at $249 and it performs like a 5060. brows.gif
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A 96bit mem bus would kill all reason to have a bigger VRAM. Its similar back in the days where 64bit GPU has huge 512MB VRAM but still loses to 128bit GPU with smaller 256MB but faster VRAM.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 6 2025, 09:21 AM)
A 96bit mem bus would kill all reason to have a bigger VRAM. Its similar back in the days where 64bit GPU has huge 512MB VRAM but still loses to 128bit GPU with smaller 256MB but faster VRAM.
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That is not a general rule. AMD's design has less dependent on RAM bandwidth and you have already seen it the current 9060/9070. It is achieved through better precomputation pruning and compression.

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If you shift to the LLM scene, larger memory still has the advantage of loading entire network layers into the GPU. Lower bandwidth only causes the inference to run slower, but still way faster than having some of the layers handled by CPU. Well in this scenario, 5060 Ti 16GB is actually quite a lot faster than 9060 XT 16GB with it's GDDR7. Games are just simply having more well-known, opportunistic & human perception-based optimizations than the brute forcing in AI.

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 01:49 PM)
That is not a general rule. AMD's design has less dependent on RAM bandwidth and you have already seen it the current 9060/9070. It is achieved through better precomputation pruning and compression.

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If you shift to the LLM scene, larger memory still has the advantage of loading entire network layers into the GPU. Lower bandwidth only causes the inference to run slower, but still way faster than having some of the layers handled by CPU. Well in this scenario, 5060 Ti 16GB is actually quite a lot faster than 9060 XT 16GB with it's GDDR7. Games are just simply having more well-known, opportunistic & human perception-based optimizations than the brute forcing in AI.
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Actually its the opposite where Radeons are more affected by mem architecture. Heres what TPU Wiz has to say: "Historically, it has also been the case that AMD's memory management isn't as good as NVIDIA's, which probably means that the 8 GB 9060 XT will have a harder time dealing with memory shortages than NVIDIA's card."
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And as for using consumer grade GPU for AI... I would say that I will condemn such practices as much as using GPU for mining. Both incidents which had shortages in gaming GPU and hiking skyhigh prices. I curse those crypto bros and now AI bros.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 6 2025, 02:03 PM)
Actually its the opposite where Radeons are more affected by mem architecture. Heres what TPU Wiz has to say: "Historically, it has also been the case that AMD's memory management isn't as good as NVIDIA's, which probably means that the 8 GB 9060 XT will have a harder time dealing with memory shortages than NVIDIA's card."
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Nope, it is not about 8GB or 16GB. It is relative comparison of 9060XT vs 5060 Ti. wink.gif

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 6 2025, 02:07 PM)
And as for using consumer grade GPU for AI... I would say that I will condemn such practices as much as using GPU for mining. Both incidents which had shortages in gaming GPU and hiking skyhigh prices. I curse those crypto bros and now AI bros.
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Consumer card is not for AI bros. They opt for used workstation cards instead for way larger amount of memory. wink.gif The richer one will too opt for new workstation cards. The issue is NVIDIA's chip allocation strategy on consumer vs workstation since both share the same chip. NVIDIA earns way more from selling workstation cards.

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 02:14 PM)
Nope, it is not about 8GB or 16GB. It is relative comparison of 9060XT vs 5060 Ti. wink.gif
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Its what Wiz is talking about, between 8GB 9060XT and 5060TI, the memory limitations (VRAM size, bus width, PCIE speed) will hit that Radeon harder compared to Geforce. You can only strangle so much the bandwith just to cram in as much VRAM that it becomes detrimental instead. Bus width shouldnt g below 128bit (much like cutting PCIE lanes too).


QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 02:14 PM)
Consumer card is not for AI bros. They opt for used workstation cards instead for way larger amount of memory. wink.gif The richer one will too opt for new workstation cards. The issue is NVIDIA's chip allocation strategy on consumer vs workstation since both share the same chip. NVIDIA earns way more from selling workstation cards.
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4090 and 5090 are consumer cards yet go figure why are they constantly in shortage and where they actually end up. Even 3090TI in 2nd hand market are getting hot for that particular reason. I hate jerkwads that buys up these GPUS for other purpose than gaming.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 6 2025, 06:01 PM)
Its what Wiz is talking about, between 8GB 9060XT and 5060TI, the memory limitations (VRAM size, bus width, PCIE speed) will hit that Radeon harder compared to Geforce. You can only strangle so much the bandwith just to cram in as much VRAM that it becomes detrimental instead. Bus width shouldnt g below 128bit (much like cutting PCIE lanes too).
4090 and 5090 are consumer cards yet go figure why are they constantly in shortage and where they actually end up. Even 3090TI in 2nd hand market are getting hot for that particular reason. I hate jerkwads that buys up these GPUS for other purpose than gaming.
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12GB will effectively offset that data exchange issue. wink.gif 4090/5090 is more like NVIDIA prefers to have the chip sold in RTX ADA / Pro series to enterprises than consumer line. There are other used older workstation cards like Quadro RTX6000, RTX8000 cost a lot cheaper than 4090/5090 in terms of GB/$. laugh.gif

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5070TI for $3827 is that a good price?
More expensive than 5070 non TI by $1200 but also faster by 30% according to Techpowerup chart
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jun 6 2025, 09:34 PM)
5070TI for $3827 is that a good price?
More expensive than 5070 non TI by $1200 but also faster by 30% according to Techpowerup chart
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5070ti is a better buy of this gen
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jun 6 2025, 09:34 PM)
5070TI for $3827 is that a good price?
More expensive than 5070 non TI by $1200 but also faster by 30% according to Techpowerup chart
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MSRP is RM 3890 so that price is slightly under MSRP. Decent price considering how expensive it was when launched and scalping.

Geforce prices are unexpectedly dropping much faster unlike Radeon prices which are going up. LOL

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