you are right about the money part. In the UCL, there will always be the 3 main contenders: real, barca and fc bayern to an extend. Then you have the money clubs man utd, man city, psg. then only it will come to us, chelsea, liverpool and atletico madrid. Man U and PSG might not be a big threat for now but they have the money. Another few round of spending + an appointment of the right manager and they will be a huge threat instantly. Out of PSG, Man U and Man city, City has the highest chance of becoming the next behemoth. They have the money, the talent, the bench and the manager. But winning will still be hard as that 3 clubs still stand in the way

Actually a 3rd place la liga team can whopped our ass shows how strong la liga is and how the mighty serie a has fallen. it used to be a 7th place fiorentina can beat perennial english champs man utd managed by ferguson, those days have long gone now due to stubborness n complacency by the italians

aint over until its over? admittedly, its over. in fact, i can see us losing by an even greater margin over two legs. I would expect us to lose 3-1 or 4-1 in madrid. overall real madrid to go through 6 -1 or 7 -1 on aggregate. This juve team is weaker than last season's, we have been playing like crap and cowards for the entire season now 

Il Principino has issued a rallying cry for the second leg.

Wishful thinking (out of respect to Madrid and the score line) but if we kept a clean sheet and scored 3 goals too, we could bring it to penalties and win perhaps?

Just dreaming la but can't rule out the Old Lady of Turin.

It is the harsh reality of Serie A and of Juve.

Would you say money is a factor too?

Real had their Galacticos period where just their strikers and midfield would've been the same cost as our entire team probably. I mean, in the long run this has an affect on clubs. Skill transfer, winning mentality etc. They may not have the Galacticos now but they started out in that trend and with the money they have, it will follow suit for generations to come. The best of the best will be attracted to the top clubs and will not choose other clubs. Even now, we can't deny Madrid boasts huge talent that we cannot afford.

Success breeds more success and in the case of Madrid, the cream of the crop are there, similar to Barca, Bayern etc.

In Juve's case, and do correct me if I'm wrong, but our transfer guru, while he has a keen eye for great talent at good bargains, I guess this works for Serie A, but for Europe - you need the best of the best to win. I'm not sure our financial standing allows us to spend.

I know there are lots of other factors to be considered such as player fitness, our coach's strategy etc.

Actually what boggles me also is that, Real are friggin third in their league, 4 points off Atletico and 13!!! points off Barca, and we are first in our league. I know that straight up comparisons like this doesn't really work because we aren't talking purely statistics here, football has the human element to it so that is a factor too. But I mean, we had all figured this would be the year to beat Madrid seeing that they aren't top of the league but the result was entirely different.

As the saying goes, it ain't over till it's over and we still have the second leg, although our chances seem slim and the team is probably broken by now, I'm quite sure Allegri will have words to fire up the team and at least put up a fight at the Bernabeu.

you are right about the money part. In the UCL, there will always be the 3 main contenders: real, barca and fc bayern to an extend. Then you have the money clubs man utd, man city, psg. then only it will come to us, chelsea, liverpool and atletico madrid. Man U and PSG might not be a big threat for now but they have the money. Another few round of spending + an appointment of the right manager and they will be a huge threat instantly. Out of PSG, Man U and Man city, City has the highest chance of becoming the next behemoth. They have the money, the talent, the bench and the manager. But winning will still be hard as that 3 clubs still stand in the way

Actually a 3rd place la liga team can whopped our ass shows how strong la liga is and how the mighty serie a has fallen. it used to be a 7th place fiorentina can beat perennial english champs man utd managed by ferguson, those days have long gone now due to stubborness n complacency by the italians

aint over until its over? admittedly, its over. in fact, i can see us losing by an even greater margin over two legs. I would expect us to lose 3-1 or 4-1 in madrid. overall real madrid to go through 6 -1 or 7 -1 on aggregate. This juve team is weaker than last season's, we have been playing like crap and cowards for the entire season now 

i wouldn't argue with both u guys points, as the matter of fact, i'd agree with both.

McF7y with a more positive thinking, while Jusstatic with more realist approach

Me? i'm in the middle. I like to think that Juve are 99.99% out...but don't rule out the 00.01% chance. Who knows
Madrid might shutdown unexpectedly next week and Juve pounce, but i'm okay with the fact that Juve already out of UCL.
Just hoping that we could play to a more respectable aggregate scoreline instead of getting 6-0/7-0/7-1 on aggregate

as for the club tier, and which league is better. I think if Juve playing in La Liga we could fight in the 3rd or 4th place
between Atletico, while i think we're probably a bit better than let say, Valencia or Sevilla...Barca & Real are no doubt way ahead of us

with the result last night, Liverpool with a 3-0 lead against City might be an "outsider" against the "Big 3" of Europe

i'm sensing another hat-trick for Pau10

he'll not feature against Madrid this coming midweek, so why not go all out against this Benevento side

Good Lord, what a sweet goal from Costa.

i'm sure even Benevento fans gonna applaud that goal     

but the fact that Juve needed 2 penalty goals to lead this Benevento side speaks volume...we're currently not good enough, let alone to upset Madrid in upcoming tie

4-2. 3 points. Eventhough it baffled me we conceded 2 goals against the most-bottom side, but atleast a win is a win

7 points lead against Napoli, piling more pressure on em

lets restore some pride in Madrid

I've been thinking about this a bit and I think, if Allegri just told the players to friggin' like all out guerilla-style attack with some changes in defense, for example put Rugani in for Barzagli, and sorry but perhaps Szczesny for Buffon, we might, just might have a chance. Worst case scenario is we put up a fight against the best team in the world y'know? Instead of breaking down every time CR7 scores. I mean, we don't have time for ball possession games, not for the second leg being 0-3 down. Just attack like mad, take our chances, fight for every ball, feed the passes to our forwards and hope for the best.

I'm kinda wondering though who they'd put in place for Dybala, we have Higuain and Mandzukic, am I missing someone?

If only we had a few more players like Costa up front. This would be a good time to have someone like Pjaca or Bernadeschi back in the team.

Still pumped for the win.

Looking at the table, we are actually the highest scoring team with the best defense, I mean, considering that earlier on in the season we were winning 1-0/2-0 games so frequently.

We still have quite a few crucial games towards the end, we've got Napoli and Inter back to back and Roma just before the end so it's good we are piling up the points now, which we should be as Juve.