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 YOKOHAMA BLUEARTH ES32, Tyre Talk

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AlittleCb
post Aug 27 2018, 06:23 PM

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post Aug 31 2018, 02:04 AM

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I just purchased and installed 4 units of Yokohama BluEarth ES32 for my Honda City 175/65R15 at RM188 per donut at Quick-save Auto, USJ 7. Price included installation, balancing and alignment. Rubber valve RM5 each.

Initially wanted to change to either Toyo nanoenergy 3 or Michelin XM2, thinking to catch better price before SST kicks in. I called up this shop to check if they sell either Toyo or Michelin. The guy recommended me Yokohama ES32 instead even though they carry Michelin as well. Before that, I came across some Yokohama tyres, but couldn’t find much reviews about them here. So i re-did a quick research and found it’s a fairly new tyre model, the features are close to what I was looking as well, and the prices are well within my budget range. Albeit the tyres were produced on week 51 2017, it’s acceptable and not a concern for me. The shop is nearby my workplace, so i made an impromptu decision to get all 4 changed, one of the reasons is because the other 2 brands’ shops were not near to where i live and work. The other reason of course is the price, Toyo’s prices are not that far off, Michelin was slightly higher. But I came across many mixed reviews about XM2, so I was hesitant a bit.

My car stock tyres were Goodyear GT3. They served me well for the past 3 years, clocked around 42k mileage. But i find them too noisy and the grip was poor especially on wet road condition. When taking corners, i feel like my car was gonna fly off somewhere. Not sure if it’s because the tyres are new, with ES32, the grip is noticeably much better, noise level is reduced, the overall driving comfort has improved. Comparing ES32’s treadwear with Nanoenergy 3 and XM2, they are indeed lesser. But in the end, it still depends on your driving style and how often you take care of the tyres. Hopefully my new tyres can serve me for at least 2 years, I’m happy with them, for now hahaha..
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post Aug 31 2018, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(chezza @ Aug 31 2018, 02:04 AM)
I just purchased and installed 4 units of Yokohama BluEarth ES32 for my Honda City 175/65R15 at RM188 per donut at Quick-save Auto, USJ 7. Price included installation, balancing and alignment. Rubber valve RM5 each.

Initially wanted to change to either Toyo nanoenergy 3 or Michelin XM2, thinking to catch better price before SST kicks in. I called up this shop to check if they sell either Toyo or Michelin. The guy recommended me Yokohama ES32 instead even though they carry Michelin as well. Before that, I came across some Yokohama tyres, but couldn’t find much reviews about them here. So i re-did a quick research and found it’s a fairly new tyre model, the features are close to what I was looking as well, and the prices are well within my budget range. Albeit the tyres were produced on week 51 2017, it’s acceptable and not a concern for me. The shop is nearby my workplace, so i made an impromptu decision to get all 4 changed, one of the reasons is because the other 2 brands’ shops were not near to where i live and work. The other reason of course is the price, Toyo’s prices are not that far off, Michelin was slightly higher. But I came across many mixed reviews about XM2, so I was hesitant a bit.

My car stock tyres were Goodyear GT3. They served me well for the past 3 years, clocked around 42k mileage. But i find them too noisy and the grip was poor especially on wet road condition. When taking corners, i feel like my car was gonna fly off somewhere. Not sure if it’s because the tyres are new, with ES32, the grip is noticeably much better, noise level is reduced, the overall driving comfort has improved. Comparing ES32’s treadwear with Nanoenergy 3 and XM2, they are indeed lesser. But in the end, it still depends on your driving style and how often you take care of the tyres. Hopefully my new tyres can serve me for at least 2 years, I’m happy with them, for now hahaha..
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Hmm, why you not doing upsize to 185/60/R15 or even 195/55/R15? Wider tyre more roadholding and lower profile a bit feels stable..
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 31 2018, 11:44 AM)
Hmm, why you not doing upsize to 185/60/R15 or even 195/55/R15? Wider tyre more roadholding and lower profile a bit feels stable..
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Original size will always bring the best balance between fuel economy & comfort, if the owner is not doing high speed corners 175/65/R15 should be no issue.
Besides that, original rim width may not be suitable to install wider tires; if tires too wide compare to the rim also will impact the car handling.
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post Sep 2 2018, 01:29 PM

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Any current users on this ES32 can share on its fuel efficiency aspect?
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QUOTE(regnox @ Sep 2 2018, 02:29 PM)
Any current users on this ES32 can share on its fuel efficiency aspect?
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I am not sure what you want, but BluEarth series are made for environment friendly & fuel efficiency in mind.

My switch from Maxxis to Yokohoma for Kelisa (165/55/R14) manage to get around 5~10% improvement in term of mileage/fuel economy for a full tank of fuel.
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 31 2018, 10:44 AM)
Hmm, why you not doing upsize to 185/60/R15 or even 195/55/R15? Wider tyre more roadholding and lower profile a bit feels stable..
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I’m using my original rim, i am also no expert in tyres, it’s better i stick to the original size to avoid any unnecessary issues. But in future when i change my rims and tyres, i will definitely consider getting wider width, bigger rim size and lower profile tyres.
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QUOTE(chezza @ Sep 4 2018, 09:37 PM)
I’m using my original rim, i am also no expert in tyres, it’s better i stick to the original size to avoid any unnecessary issues. But in future when i change my rims and tyres, i will definitely consider getting wider width, bigger rim size and lower profile tyres.
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Most important is lighter rims.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 4 2018, 06:38 PM)
I am not sure what you want, but BluEarth series are made for environment friendly & fuel efficiency in mind.

My switch from Maxxis to Yokohoma for Kelisa (165/55/R14) manage to get around 5~10% improvement in term of mileage/fuel economy for a full tank of fuel.
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Exactly what I’m asking for! Thanks for the response !
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post Sep 11 2018, 08:58 PM

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I'm using stock rim and tyre too for my honda city. Before this was considering between es32 , cc6 and xm2. But ofcuz due to the price i giv a pass for xm2 and es32 is kinda hard to find too. So at the end i bought cc6 4 pcs at size 195/55/r15... Will be installing this coming sat... lets exchg our review maybe i might consider es32 back the next time =)
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QUOTE(AlittleCb @ Sep 11 2018, 08:58 PM)
I'm using stock rim and tyre too for my honda city. Before this was considering between es32 , cc6 and xm2. But ofcuz due to the price i giv a pass for xm2 and es32 is kinda hard to find too. So at the end i bought cc6 4 pcs at size 195/55/r15... Will be installing this coming sat... lets exchg our review maybe i might consider es32 back the next time =)
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lol, i'm aiming higher now, planning to place es32 to gen2 which currently on apollo tyre and damn noisy. current car considering to change yokohama advandb v551. biggrin.gif
so far so good th es32 btw
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 2 2018, 12:45 AM)
Original size will always bring the best balance between fuel economy & comfort, if the owner is not doing high speed corners 175/65/R15 should be no issue.
Besides that, original rim width may not be suitable to install wider tires; if tires too wide compare to the rim also will impact the car handling.
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QUOTE(chezza @ Sep 4 2018, 09:37 PM)
I’m using my original rim, i am also no expert in tyres, it’s better i stick to the original size to avoid any unnecessary issues. But in future when i change my rims and tyres, i will definitely consider getting wider width, bigger rim size and lower profile tyres.
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QUOTE(AlittleCb @ Sep 11 2018, 08:58 PM)
I'm using stock rim and tyre too for my honda city. Before this was considering between es32 , cc6 and xm2. But ofcuz due to the price i giv a pass for xm2 and es32 is kinda hard to find too. So at the end i bought cc6 4 pcs at size 195/55/r15... Will be installing this coming sat... lets exchg our review maybe i might consider es32 back the next time =)
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This is the fourth gen Honda City right (year 2002-2008)? If that's the case, actually can use 195/55/15 and best to buy the Hankook V12 Evo2, much better than all those tires you have mentioned and bought while being about the same price or even cheaper! I bought exactly that same size for only rm170/pc just over a month ago.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Sep 12 2018, 01:15 AM
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post Sep 12 2018, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 12 2018, 02:14 AM)
This is the fourth gen Honda City right (year 2002-2008)? If that's the case, actually can use 195/55/15 and best to buy the Hankook V12 Evo2, much better than all those tires you have mentioned and bought while being about the same price or even cheaper! I bought exactly that same size for only rm170/pc just over a month ago.
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Bro, you are comparing 2 different tire category.

Hankook V12 Evo 2 is UHP Summer tire
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Hankook/...us-V12-evo2.htm

Yokohama BluEarth ES32 is Premium Touring Summer tire
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama...rth-Es-ES32.htm

Not all people are like you going around fast corners or performance orientated.
If normal person like me who enjoy comfort drive with good fuel efficiency i will always choose the tire range that suit me.

If you want a direct competition against your tire choice, Yokohama Advan (Neova/Fleva) range should be suitable for that.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 12 2018, 09:43 AM)
Bro, you are comparing 2 different tire category.

Hankook V12 Evo 2 is UHP Summer tire
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Hankook/...us-V12-evo2.htm

Yokohama BluEarth ES32 is Premium Touring Summer tire
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama...rth-Es-ES32.htm

Not all people are like you going around fast corners or performance orientated.
If normal person like me who enjoy comfort drive with good fuel efficiency i will always choose the tire range that suit me.

If you want a direct competition against your tire choice, Yokohama Advan (Neova/Fleva) range should be suitable for that.
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I know those are 2 different categories. The thing is the V12E2 is also comfortable with soft sidewall and silent (tested 67db noise level only), just like those mid-range touring tires. So with this tire you have better performance grip while not sacrificing those comfort criteria, plus the durability is also pretty good. That's why it's the better option even for those who prioritize comfort.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 12 2018, 02:58 PM)
I know those are 2 different categories. The thing is the V12E2 is also comfortable with soft sidewall and silent (tested 67db noise level only), just like those mid-range touring tires. So with this tire you have better performance grip while not sacrificing those comfort criteria, plus the durability is also pretty good. That's why it's the better option even for those who prioritize comfort.
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Bro, performance tire sure got better grip but still you will still loss in term of fuel efficiency & comfort as V12E2 is built for performance at first.

Lets compare 195/50/R15 via blackcircles website

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/h...-v12-evo-2-k120

Hankook Euro Tyre Label Rating

Fuel Efficiency - E , Wet Grip - B, Noise - 71Db

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/y...a/bluearth-es32

Yokohama Euro Tyre Label Rating

Fuel Efficiency - C , Wet Grip - B, Noise - 68Db

For other size Hankook V12E2 can get better wet grip, but still fuel efficiency rating & noise level still unable to compete againts Yokohama as Yokohama design this tire for fuel efficiency & comfort.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 12 2018, 02:34 PM)
Bro, performance tire sure got better grip but still you will still loss in term of fuel efficiency & comfort as V12E2 is built for performance at first.

Lets compare 195/50/R15 via blackcircles website

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/h...-v12-evo-2-k120

Hankook Euro Tyre Label Rating

Fuel Efficiency - E , Wet Grip - B, Noise - 71Db

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/y...a/bluearth-es32

Yokohama Euro Tyre Label Rating

Fuel Efficiency - C , Wet Grip - B, Noise - 68Db

For other size Hankook V12E2 can get better wet grip, but still fuel efficiency rating & noise level still unable to compete againts Yokohama as Yokohama design this tire for fuel efficiency & comfort.
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As I said, the V12E2 actually has been tested to just produce 67db noise level instead of the rating of 71db that you stated above. That 67db puts it on par with most mid-range silent tires already. Even though maybe still a tad more noisy and maybe consume a bit more fuel but the difference should be marginal compared to noticeably higher performance grip that it provides, hence IMO give & take, the V12E2 provides the better balance of all criteria while costing as cheap if not cheaper too. Anyway different people may have different views on what is the better "balance" of those criteria, so yeah can be subjective too.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 12 2018, 06:21 PM)
As I said, the V12E2 actually has been tested to just produce 67db noise level instead of the rating of 71db that you stated above. That 67db puts it on par with most mid-range silent tires already. Even though maybe still a tad more noisy and maybe consume a bit more fuel but the difference should be marginal compared to noticeably higher performance grip that it provides, hence IMO give & take, the V12E2 provides the better balance of all criteria while costing as cheap if not cheaper too. Anyway different people may have different views on what is the better "balance" of those criteria, so yeah can be subjective too.
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I am not sure how you get your noise level, but from my experience these noise level provided by tire makers are taken in lab test and consider external noise not in car environment.
If the tire noise at outside is louder, for sure in car environment is more quieter due to noise insulation.
Anyway you do have your opinion in term of hankook tires, but take note that not all people are fancy about performance tire as each tire type also got their pro & con.
In the end is about the owner want to choose more comfort, fuel efficient base tire or performance type tires, there is no single tire model which can satisfy all people.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 12 2018, 10:41 PM)
I am not sure how you get your noise level, but from my experience these noise level provided by tire makers are taken in lab test and consider external noise not in car environment.
If the tire noise at outside is louder, for sure in car environment is more quieter due to noise insulation.
Anyway you do have your opinion in term of hankook tires, but take note that not all people are fancy about performance tire as each tire type also got their pro & con.
In the end is about the owner want to choose more comfort, fuel efficient base tire or performance type tires, there is no single tire model which can satisfy all people.
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That one was tested last year by Car & Driver magazine. I'm also using that tire now and I do concur that it's pretty silent.
Yes there's always pro & con, nothing is perfect but we try to get the most balanced criteria for street tires. I do admit that I focus a lot more on performance aspect but if we can get noticeably higher performance with marginal sacrifice in comfort then that should be like an icing on the cake already, especially since performance is more about grip and grip is the main function of tires as it provides extra safety margin, hence why I prioritize this aspect more than the others.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 13 2018, 09:15 AM)
That one was tested last year by Car & Driver magazine. I'm also using that tire now and I do concur that it's pretty silent.
Yes there's always pro & con, nothing is perfect but we try to get the most balanced criteria for street tires. I do admit that I focus a lot more on performance aspect but if we can get noticeably higher performance with marginal sacrifice in comfort then that should be like an icing on the cake already, especially since performance is more about grip and grip is the main function of tires as it provides extra safety margin, hence why I prioritize this aspect more than the others.
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just sit my colleague's car with Yokohama Advan Fleva. That tyre is so unbearable noisy even on 20km/h gliding, it's like car without sound insulation. He said it's already noisy like this since new.
I would've choose silent comfort low performance tyre over high performance noisy tyre, unless drive with ear buds, lol.
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QUOTE(regnox @ Mar 19 2018, 09:13 PM)
wow very good review for this yoko es32 bluearth...
will be going for this on my next change..
currently on cc6 quiet but thats it.
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I'm using CC6 on Myvi as well for around 6months now.
I agree that it is quiet.
On top of that the tyre is soft as I feel my car being less bumpy when going over uneven roads.

Other stuff like grip etc I can't comment because I drive only around 50-60 on city roads.
No hard cornerings. So didn't really push the tyres before.

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