This is another scenario, this situation will make me no choice but to accept their offer. Of course, my doing is risky and good if you want to try it out. Only if you are still working with the company.

Don't judge any individual person when you do not know how is their past life. I have been struggle in my past, being terminated by an employer. Do you know how desperate for me that time to secure a job. Yes, the desperate moment to secure a job is indeed to obey and follow.

When a person is successful in their life, they can make their decision. When a person is unsuccessful in their life, they can't make their decision. How do I define a person that is unsuccessful (or so called, they yet to reach that level), the person is afraid to expose to new challenges, afraid to escape from his comfy zone, afraid to do anything that the person is comfortable with their current life style.

When you put in a lot of effort and bring revenue of your company, you are being treated unfair in a company. I have been gone through all this. I dare to challenge you by requested such amount as well saying this that is because I will not disappoint you.

I think you judge too quickly, have you ever gone through this stage? Being jobless? You never know me nor I know you, we are nobody. You never know one person's life but judging the overall of youngsters lifestyle, you are very wrong at first. There may be 2 out of 10 are struggling to climb higher than those laid back and take things as granted. These scenario mostly gave people a bad impression, and people tend to start judge from there.

Stand in the middle and judge front and back, not by the absolute answer by overall people agreed.

Yes, but I don't take counter offer, nothing is good from counter offer lol. New environment, new culture, new learning, and new opportunity is always the best. Money cannot buy knowledge. Staying long term in a company is no good, your skill set eventually will becoming swallow, especially for youngster like me mid 20's is the best time for the person to hop and expose to new environment. Of course, mid 30's can do, if you think you are able to do it, why not? Some of them are concern with their family and convenient, so they find a company to plant their nest there until they pension.

Yes this is true. The candidate to choose whether reject or accept depending their situation.

Once current salary is disclosed, there is no trust between employer and candidate. The unfairness will continue to press. Since the employer is looking for potential candidate and willing to offer the remuneration package, then why ask to disclose? You get my point here?

If the applicant refuse to show his payslip in order to ask for higher package, then go evaluate the candidate skill. It is no use to gauge the candidate just for that purpose.

Like I have mentioned in above scenario, a working experience vs skill set vs bad company performance affected loyalty employee.

If you are the boss, who you want to hire to bring revenue to your company? HR is greedy, so they are evil lol. In your very own perspective, which is better?

Yes, you got the point. Talk about trust between the company and the candidate. Why am I being shortlisted? That is because the company see me fit into their role. And the company is offering the package for that role, so the company should go with that package, otherwise don't offer.

Under PDPA section 6, it is illegal trying to gauge the private and confidential data without the candidate consent. Look, talk about unfair and trust, when a company request you to disclose your current salary, meaning they have no confidence and no sincere to the new candidate. If that is the case then don't offer such "attractive package" initially.

A proper hire process should evaluate the candidate performance and skills, then from there, a skilled interviewer should evaluate the candidate skill set by test given during interview instead gauge current pay slip. The past salary has nothing to do / no relationship at all to the new company. Same goes to your old company, no relationship between 2.

Evaluate the candidate skill set by practical not just by mouth or even portfolio, although portfolio provided what the candidate experienced. You can see whether this is a potential candidate or the joker. I have gone through 50+- company for interview, only 5 of them accepted me without the need to disclose pay slip. Although, you need to do your home work why you must not disclose the current salary. I cannot tell you unless you interview me next time

Good for you Did they lower down your remuneration package once they knew about your pay slip at your final stage where both you and employer already handshake on the agreed expected salary?

The candidate have rights not to disclosed only for the current pay slip. Other data is required to disclosed as they need to ensure the applicant is applied to the correct position. Yes, it don't make sense from 5k jump to 20k, normally I guess a phone call interview would be good in this situation whether they are being shortlisted for face to face interview after the finalize through phone call interview. This approach would be the best solution whether the candidate is apply the right position by requested some ridiculous amount. At least the amount has to be reasonable, that's my point of view.

Unfortunately, I cannot share how. But, this is all about the candidate skill, whether by practical, convince, impression etc. The research is solely I created, so I know how it works. At most, I would say, please do your home work.

I do have benchmark for my expected salary too, let the interviewer evaluate your skill from there. Preferable the interviewer doing the same job scope as you, provided the interviewer would be your senior or your future superior. Otherwise, no point talk to HR, their job scope is to lowball the candidate.

For me, knowledge is priority as well as it must be tally with salary paid too. Phone interview actually helps both whether convenient proceed for an interview of face to face, if the employer learn the candidate not to disclose the current salary, then we shouldn't waste each other time. Although I am the guy like you described, I willing to walk away than showing my desperate to you during the negotiation.

This concept is good. Some MNC uses this pattern then later on low ball upon candidate reveal current salary, lel.

Depends.. Normally, the interviewer can be HR, MD, Director, or the superior. If they understand you then no problem

Hopefully I can reach your salary at your age, or even higher. lol

Do you write program? If yes, your salary is lower than average. I only know programming field. lols.

3500 for your age... is a bit low... (Maybe you are in engineer field, then I don't know about that)

Also have to depends on what field you are.

I think its better for you to refer here to check if your salary is within the range.

Im one of your description here...

Im graduate at 24,,..

Thats why alot people still taking "years of experience" to compare which is bad approach. I know these day younger generation like my generation, always being compared in "years of experience". If you would stand in the middle compare the skill set vs years of experience, who will you prefer?

There are 2 types of people
1. Grow yourself and value
2. Makan gaji

Regardless of field. They can grow themselves if they wanted to. I think... (I don't know about other field)

This is a good one, and this is what my perspective is.

There is not much candidate you can find in the market. Although speak of 'years of working experience' then that is not the right way to judge a person like the scenario above.

These day, a lot of youngster tend to take this opportunity as granted. There is so many entertainment outside, they do not seek to improve themselves, yet they waste their time onto this.

I went to interview last time, when I being asked "What is your hobby", my answer were self learning to grow value, guess what, he say you must have at least one or two entertainment hobby.

Let me quote my own word:
"If you willing to take 5 minutes daily to improve yourself, your knowledge will eventually be expanded within a month"

I know these day, less to no youngster will think the same like my mindset does. Most of the so called "Experienced" employee is afraid to escape from their comfy zone, they are afraid the new changes and the challenges. Its you should change with no excuses.

Managerial post is different, they would required exposure and experience as compared to technical staffs. I not talk about whether get to a managerial position at young age will conflict with his subordinates or any political issue. I have seen people at my age became ASM (Assist. Senior Manager) in corporate.

Fresh graduate? that salary amount is high

No lei... banking i heard about 2.8-3.5k, and they follow chinaman culture for increment

Did you just write 5k in your expected salary as a fresh graduate? I believe they would ask you "How did you come out with this amount"

Btw, 5k is not consider average for fresh graduate... its too high.. even 4k consider high lol

This post has been edited by badguy93: Mar 13 2019, 11:12 AM

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