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post Sep 16 2009, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 16 2009, 08:20 AM)
the only reason why anyone would bother to do the b med sc extra year, is so they qualify to partner to uq.......and of course now the others as well......

if finance is an issue, they should not be in the pms stream to begin with......however should finance become a problem half way through their course, they can always opt for the seremban phase 2.......

it's the reverse that is NOT possible, ie from local to pms stream, as the pms places is very restricted......

for info......there are about 120 pms places every batch.....yet they take in 180 students into the pms stream each batch.......go calculate your chances......


Added on September 16, 2009, 8:30 am

the graduate entry programme is under a separate stream now.....but, under the new arrangements, i really do not see anyone wanting to partner to melbourne or sydney.........or even anu........
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from what i've heard there is a large number of seremban hopefuls in my batch, apparently the number of people opting for seremban has been increasing every year. m208 has about 224 students if im not mistaken (this was before those had to go repeat a sem) but i'm more than certain that there are at 60 or 70 Seremban students.
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post Oct 22 2009, 01:22 AM

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melb U back on. need to do one year b.med science at imu before going off. they had a talk that day but i didn't go.
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post Oct 26 2009, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(chika138 @ Oct 24 2009, 10:09 PM)
ok for those who're sitting for EoS 2 soon (someone asked me through PM so i'd just post it here as well)

oh OSPE
er dun worry too much bout the anatomy as it's really gonna be quite simple
basically every component u learnt in F1 and F2 will be asked, including pharmaco and com med
for com med most likely there'll be some calculation question and ranjit's occupational health
but i can't comment too much on patho because the syllabus has changed quite a bit
SAQ? well depending on how prepared you are and how well u perform on the spot. The most important thing in SAQ is to finish answering all your questions if possible
but if u didn't study well and perform badly in SAQ prepare to fail that particular paper. most of my friends, yes, they got B- or below for SAQ
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just remember BS and CM if you aint so confident. helps alot . alot of questions from this two, can make the difference between A and B or passing or failing (aka life and death)

microbio will be worth your time. dont memorize in depth but but widespread, know the FLM's and a bit of their CFeats like staph and strep.

pharmaco came out, they gave me a box of clarinase (sp) and asked me questions based on the drugs in it (antihistamines)
how does it cause nasal decongestion.

all the best sem2's.

any info on sem 3's eos for me ? my summative wasnt too good. C+. sad.gif
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post Oct 31 2009, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(monkeygirl @ Oct 30 2009, 01:21 AM)
not from the faculty but a current student there. i would say there isn't a best time to submit an application. just make sure the application reaches their hands before the dateline.
i'm not sure how many percent of international students were accepted out of those who applied, but i don't think its that hard to be accepted by IMU. As long as you meet the minimum requirements, you should be called for the interview. And the interview is just basic questions. i was asked to introduce myself, talk a bit about my family, asked why i wanted to do medicine as opposed to the other life sciences courses, then was asked a scenario based question which is very easy (you're a doctor. you just saved this patient's life from the brink of death. he rewards you with a full expense paid trip overseas. would you accept?).
don't be too hung up on your summative results. concentrate on the eos (and don't waste your 4 weeks!!)

skip the bs stuff if you have no time (i remember only a few oba questions coming out from bs).
but as for physiology, pathology and pharmaco.... each one is equally as important.
as for osce... i just can tell you to practise practise practise. remember GIEP (greeting, introduction, explanation, permission!! each earns you marks), washing your hands and warming your hands before touching the patient.
when washing your hand... make sure you don't put too much soap. takes time to wash it all off. 
all the stations are pretty straight forward (much easier than the mock i remembered. they'll tell you to palpate+auscultate, or palpate and percuss). so follow them exactly. no extra marks will be given if you do anything else.
for meq... try not to panic and think carefully (but not too long) before writing the answer down. i find that many (myself included) start scribbling down the answer only to realize what we were writing is wrong. esp pathophysio qws
ospe.. as always is horrible. as opposed to meq.. i recommend to just scribble down whatever that comes to mind during an ospe paper. you can always review the qws you were unsure about in the rest stations.

can't remember anything else.
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thanks smile.gif yeah i realized i changed my meq answers last minute too some times. hope the meq's wont be too vague whereby ill confuse it with some other disease. they said meq all from PBL with some minor modifications right?

thought BS and CM was free marks if read through, maybe not the case in sem 3 right?
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post Nov 1 2009, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(C-Note @ Nov 1 2009, 03:27 PM)
Hi there,

I'm interested in doing dentistry in IMU. Whats the annual fees for dentistry? I can't seem to load the webpage.

Is it credible and recognized in Hongkong?

Thx!
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full IMU dentistry dont know if its accredited. but very likely if you do PMS program your degree will be recognized in HK . Worst case scenario would be you have to sit for an exam to grant you the license to practice there.
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QUOTE(C-Note @ Nov 1 2009, 11:44 PM)
Oh is PMS the transfer program or something like  that? Only few unis are involved like AdelaideU, SydneyU etc. How do I join the program?

Really? That means if I do a ciplak one in Indonesia I'll still be able to practise anywhere in the world so long I take the test?
I'll most prolly migrate there in future.
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when you apply for imu just check the box for PMS route. and later on there will be a matching program to which they'll match you to the respective universities.

no thats not the case really, correct me if im wrong but are you willing to take the risk to join an indonesia university? what if you dont pass the hk exam and you'll have to work in malaysia (worst case scenario being your degree wont be recognized in Malaysia) . you'll be stuck with a degree that takes you no where.

and with all the reports of surplus of doctors, i think the next hot profession might be dentistry!!

owh lucky you!! you have family there already? or your family is planning to uproot and settle down in HK?
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post Nov 3 2009, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(monkeygirl @ Nov 2 2009, 01:47 AM)
i didn't notice if all the meqs are from PBLs. and i can't remember any of the meq qws i got last time :/ (i got one on crohn's disease)
as for the bs and cm qws... i honestly just tembak most of them. yes, some are just common sense, but some are really specific and weird (i think i had one oba where they asked which emotion would a patient feel after he/she had a heart attack. or some weird crap like that. and the answers were really close to each other (anxiety, anger, sadness, can't remember the other options)).
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i guess depression cause its a near death experience. but most of the BS lectures have the same 3: Anger, Denial , Depression when it comes to any disease!

yeah apparently its right out of PBL or very easy to identify disease. how did your Crohn's Disease question go like? present with transmural inflam? skip lesions ? something like that? or more vague and not so direct like presenting like appendicitis upon further investigation then one or two of the essential CF comes up?

damn MEQ is gonna be scary, especially GIT!! rclxub.gif


uh C-note, i was reffering to " hot profession" as in a profession everyone flocks to like in the dot com boom, was anything IT related, now we have a surplus. now its Medicine, cause RECESSION PROOF, GOOD MONEY, HONORABLE JOB, and those nice words and things a typical asian parent would say. because of that, any tom d*** and harry is becoming a doctor doh.gif

i figure once most people realize that the statistics dont lie and very like malaysia will face a surplus of doctors, they'll turn to the NEXT BEST THING! dentistry.

when you twin off you'll be paying their fees, for the first two and half years standard 125K++ . Have to remember dentistry is more expensive than medicine, and the first few years you'll be doing more studying than your batchmates! haha you kinda do the same exam your medicine counter part does, and added dental examination papers to take. hence two times the effort!! but thats just the start, late on you'll be having more fun as you break away into your own proper curriculum!


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QUOTE(monkeygirl @ Nov 2 2009, 01:47 AM)
i didn't notice if all the meqs are from PBLs. and i can't remember any of the meq qws i got last time :/ (i got one on crohn's disease)
as for the bs and cm qws... i honestly just tembak most of them. yes, some are just common sense, but some are really specific and weird (i think i had one oba where they asked which emotion would a patient feel after he/she had a heart attack. or some weird crap like that. and the answers were really close to each other (anxiety, anger, sadness, can't remember the other options)).
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i guess depression cause its a near death experience. but most of the BS lectures have the same 3: Anger, Denial , Depression when it comes to any disease!

yeah apparently its right out of PBL or very easy to identify disease. how did your Crohn's Disease question go like? present with transmural inflam? skip lesions ? something like that? or more vague and not so direct like presenting like appendicitis upon further investigation then one or two of the essential CF comes up?

damn MEQ is gonna be scary, especially GIT!! rclxub.gif


uh C-note, i was reffering to " hot profession" as in a profession everyone flocks to like in the dot com boom, was anything IT related, now we have a surplus. now its Medicine, cause RECESSION PROOF, GOOD MONEY, HONORABLE JOB, and those nice words and things a typical asian parent would say. because of that, any tom d*** and harry is becoming a doctor doh.gif

i figure once most people realize that the statistics dont lie and very like malaysia will face a surplus of doctors, they'll turn to the NEXT BEST THING! dentistry.

when you twin off you'll be paying their fees, for the first two and half years standard 125K++ . Have to remember dentistry is more expensive than medicine, and the first few years you'll be doing more studying than your batchmates! haha you kinda do the same exam your medicine counter part does, and added dental examination papers to take. hence two times the effort!! but thats just the start, late on you'll be having more fun as you break away into your own proper curriculum!



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QUOTE(monkeygirl @ Nov 5 2009, 12:29 AM)
i can't remember the answer for the bs one. i tend to forget all about the exam once it's over biggrin.gif
but people were arguing over the answer hence i only could remember that particular one

The crohns one went something this (it's not word for word and i might be missing out on a few other information; but just to give you a clue..):
a middle aged lady coming to the clinic complaining of blood found in the stool. then the doctor performed a rectal endoscopy. 
then they asked what other investigations you would do, i think give 3 differential diagnosis,  and what were the indications for a rectal endoscope.
part 2/3: endoscope revealed ulcerations with skip lesions (yeah... it's pretty straight forward that it must be crohns). then they asked differences between UC and crohns. + some other qws.

i think i might have mix up the part 1,2 and 3. tongue.gif

i would say our meqs during eos were similar to the ones we had during summatives.
oh yeah.. we had a whole emq on asthma medication. matching their action to the drug name

coolguess>> a lot of people also performed badly for their summative 1 (cvs/respi) in my batch. but the grades improved a lot for summative 2 (haemato/git). so i think you're right about the upward trend for the 2nd summatives.
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i didnt get Crohn's for my PBL this time. but I guess some stuff weren't covered in our lectures (indications for a rectal examination= covered that in CSU) .

apparently now PBL's will only appear in our EOS MEQ.

yeah lets hope we all do better this coming friday.

and remember we also have MMS !!

but overall IMU is really self directed learning. alot of the materials are there. MMS/OLIS/PBL, our lecture notes are sufficient most of the time, but this time i found myself reading my Robbin's Patho to make sure of my hematoloy diseases cause the lecture notes weren't very clear most of the time. especially lymphoma and leukemia's.

other lecture notes were self sufficient especially pharmacology, and physio (depends). our anatomy lectures are basically all taken from Netters and some from snells, but the explanation there is important, but i realized Nilesh Kumar, you go in and you write more extra stuff down than there is in the notes provided. most of it good information, but not much comes out for exam.

any FAMOUS questions for EOS 3?

EOS2 i think the famous question is the biliary tree question, came out for me and was in the MSOC question booklet. female and male repro. i cant remember the rest hehe.

uh i dont know if you can apply just to use the library, just borrow some ones imu id or just say youre a visitor and use the library ahhaa.

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QUOTE(monkeygirl @ Nov 7 2009, 02:22 AM)
oh... i just thought that the free time IMU med students have are pretty infamous.
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famous questions for EOS3? blood vessel and the bronchial tree anatomy was one of the "spotted" qws but didn't come out for ours. heart anatomy was one of the spotted qws and did come out.
i think they don't normally reuse the questions though as i didn't get the biliary tree one for EOS 2. i think i got anatomy of male repro though.
oh yea, all the best to those who are sitting for exams XD
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yeah repro seems to come out FOR EVERY SEMESTER!

hmm TNM will also def come out right!

i honestly think, minus all the "where to find accommodation, FAQ's on courses" this is way better than that junk they call the imu forum. that is horrible.

thanks for your input monkey girl. yeah sem 5's said it came out for theirs. gonna have to go to MMS in the coming weeks to drill on the models!

quite lazy to continue on now. sad.gif just feel like relaxing and going to sleep. maybe hemopoiesis 1 and 2 first!!

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QUOTE(chika138 @ Nov 11 2009, 12:03 AM)
oh we have top jpa scholars getting their 14th or 15th choices? how bout that?
but this batch we have someone getting his 22nd choice out of 25 PMS
generally this time many didn't get their more ideal PMS, mainly due to the facts that there are too many jpa scholars (jpa set rules on how we going to rank our PMS) and also too many PMS students in total as well
there's NO remaining place left from 25 PMS after the matching, just enough seats for everyone, so basically they have to slot more people into the less popular uni
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damn dude. thats crazy. hope no one fails, if not gone case man. have to reenter the pool of unis again.

I think my batch will also face such a problem. they said our batch is one of the best. one of the lowest failing rates and all that. but i got a feeling there are more seremban students compared to other batches. so hopefully this wont be a full PMS batch like yours.

btw, judging that some ppl getting 22nd choice. that means alot of people didn't get their top 3, or their top choice ? man, i cant imagine going to Canada sweat.gif

how was your summative chika?

Mines on friday. I feel more prepared than i was for the first summative. hope that helps. i dont wanna see any more C's! hope to get B at the very least this friday. C+ last time damn sad. wanted to see B's.

but i dont really mind just passing my EOS3 already like i just wanted to pass EOS2. smile.gif but obviously with higher grades than B- biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(chika138 @ Nov 11 2009, 11:03 PM)
my ICA for sem 3 was B and B-

actually there're more wtf news which stunned me during this 2 days, really shocking to know the very unexpected results
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owh. i meant to ask how was your recent sem 5 ICA's? most of the seniors were so stressed out about it, saying the content was crazy with loads of neuroanatomy and MSK go to through?

hmm yeah really shocking, i think i gotta prep myself to go to canada or even NZ which i dont plan on headed to!!
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QUOTE(zltan @ Nov 12 2009, 05:43 AM)
I think its universal that neuroscience and anatomy will turn your brain inside out  rclxub.gif , especially when cranial nerves are taught in 2 lectures
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haha chika no worries. ECA counts. next week right? all the best dude!

and yeah i saw their lecture notes. really crazy. but some people claim MSK can be quite easy shakehead.gif
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hey chika how was your eos5 results? leaving for Otago soon?

haha, 16 more days to EOS3!! still on gi, finished the rest but need to run through most of cvs and respi again!! sad.gif

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hey guys, any osce sample questions smile.gif


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QUOTE(Visualize @ Dec 18 2009, 03:12 PM)
The thing is many people refuse to believe the fact that they can't work in oz even if they have a MBBS from Monash M'sia. They think that the

most important thing is the fact that it is recognized by AMC. Hence, many of my friends who thinks so chosed Monash since it is cheaper than IMU

by around 200k and they actually will receive an "Australian" cert.
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yeah it doesnt even qualify them for a pr. you need to study IN australia to gain points and even so you need at least 2 years i think.

currently they dont have enough places for H.O in aust. so first thing is to shoo away all the international students.

Australia has demand for M.O positions and above. so the best choice is to come back home and gain experience prior to applying for a position.

and at the same time, the demands aint coming from the major cities, but smaller cities and towns where the locals dread to go.

its like any other dirty/unwanted job, if they locals cant ill in, use an IMMIGRANT! thumbup.gif

got this info from a friend in imu.
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wohooo passed eos3!! thank you monkeygirl for the help you've given me.
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QUOTE(DireAnguish5678 @ Jan 9 2010, 08:18 PM)
omg is it too late to ask how was eos3? is EMQ a killer? did they have a lot of bs stations in osce?
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EMQ was odd. cause i thought i did pretty well but i got C+ for it, two pharmaco questions came out. MEQ i thought i would do worst but i got B-

overall my eos 3 was tough cause i didnt do too well for the summatives sad.gif

and i was really panick-y and scared. but i managed to pull through. thank god!

eos 2 is nothing compared to 3!
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QUOTE(DireAnguish5678 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:50 PM)
it was? what were the questions? do you remember? Cause I heard of this one station where they ask you to do all the systems but just in the hands. And the questions that they ask when you do it, where do you study it from? Like when they ask diff betw PAD and PVD or the 5 stages etc.

For PE you have to report what you see on the actual patient, and then answer the given question saying but in this case, the patient will have e.g. shifting dullness etc izzt?
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there was a station on PAD, have to check radial pulse, radial femoral delay (it comes as question on how to check if the pt has coarctation of aorta, one more question)

it was a tricky station for me

the killer was the auroscope. you have to assemble the auroscope and know how to hold it properly and what to check for. many predicted this but it was a shock for most of us still. no BP station.


yes to your second question. eg: lung consolidation, you must perform lets say palpate for chest movement. obviously pt will be normal so state chest expansion is present normal and equal on both sides, but in this case chest expansion will be diminished on affected side!

hope that helps, sounds like you're in m109. sem 3 is way harder than 2. so be careful! but its the sem where you feel you can apply into pbl. when you watch medical dramas you actually understand whats going on way better cause of patho knowledge. =)

all the best. sem 4 awaits me, any recommended text? I heard RENAL is a killer.

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QUOTE(DireAnguish5678 @ Feb 14 2010, 02:38 PM)
okay, so Coarctation of aorta means just palpate both radial and femoral pulse concurrently to indicate radiofemoral delay and weaker pulse in femoral pulse compared to right arm, i guess. and then maybe the xray findings would indicate that ribs were implicated as a result of collateral circulation into internal thoracic, superior and posterior intercostal arteries.

in eos 3 is only up to GIT so they won't include palpation of kidney right? so there won't be questions about difference between enlargement of spleen and enlargement of kidney like Castell's sign or Traube's space?

in PE for mitral regurg, how do we demonstrate differentiation between s1 and s2? i heard about this question.
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kidneys is included in the CSU video, but during practice we never bothered. but the enlargement question did come out for my batch. like where would the spleen enlarge towards.


@gorilla. yeah our batch is freaking competitive. i'm a big time slacker and like monkeygirl before exams is really important.

i highly doubt they'll be kicking more students out. we're currently at 218 i think. but thats before factoring in any more students that dropped out. most other batches in sem 4 are roughly 19X students. we're 20+ than most batches and thats why i think we have more and more universities opening up. and i honestly think that due to the performance of our batch, the deans of imu would beg for the pms's to have more seats during twinning.

i honestly think the elearning system would be a good thing especially for lectures. but one thing i feel is that we actually should do more work on the air topics. would help alot of if more marks were given as well. like imu isnt based on units per semester. we just follow the curriculum!

does anyone feel imu is squeezing the living daylights out of everyone? when i first entered imu it was wayyy to empty. now it feels like everywhere i turn theres a bunch of people eating, studying, playing games or sleeping yawn.gif the photocopy shop as well, i used to be able to go in get lecture notes and rush up, but now theres ALWAYS A LINE. the auntie at the shop should really get things organized there.


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hey guys, will neuroanatomy be an important CORE CORE exam question for EOS5?

i just got some neuroanatomy books, i dont know to what extent that im supposed to know though.

thanks.

and any recommended text for SEM 5? (i cant believe i'm sem 5)

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