probably no.....unfortunately, there is no way of equivating between the uk/cie alevels and the spore one.....and many people don't even know there is a difference....

current cut off for the pms stream is about aab....they are swamped with people with >aaa this time.......taylor's college alone produced some 300+ of them this year.....

there are.....5-7 years ago....4 years ago, abb was minimum.....

even 4 years ago, with the first batch of dental students, bbb will get you in...

this show you obviously do not understand what a percentile ranking system means...

what i have quoted are all information in the public domain....

'many students get 90+'.....i presume that is atar rank....yes many....exactly 10%.....

'0.1 percentile'.....i take that to mean the top percentile, or atar rank of 99.9....well, that means that exactly.....the top 0.1 of all students get that result....

'if you are good , then you are'.....how do the unis know how good you are?.....

18% of students sitting for the uk a levels get aaa or better....how good is a student with aaa then?.....all we can say is, he is at least better than 82% of all a level students...

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Added on November 3, 2012, 7:36 aminstead of getting personal, why don't you refute any of the facts i have quoted, which are all from the public domain?....

and you are absolutely right....about half of all a levels students gain entry into university, in the uk....

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Added on November 3, 2012, 7:39 amplease point out which part of whatever i have posted that you disagree with, and which part is factually wrong.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Nov 3 2012, 09:26 AM

that is the correct equivalence....if you have been keeping up to date with education worldwide, and the kind of results being issued, you will understand why anu now finally corrected the skew.....

for the record, less than 1% of students in the hk a levels get aaa....people who doesn't know that will wonder why uk a level a*a*a=hk bbc......

of course, equivalence is never an exact science, as there are other factors involved, but the margin of error should surely not be too large?....

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Added on November 6, 2012, 4:13 pmthe old equivalence used by most oz unis is obviously wrong, and this has been pointed out many times before by many people, both in this forum and other education forums....

there is no attempt to disadvantage a level students, their money is as good as those with year 12.....in fact, it is clear that for years, oz unis are favouring a levels results, as that's what most full fees international students from msia/spore have....

based on percentile ranking for the uk a levels results as available in the public domain, it works about this:

aaa=atar82
a*a*a*=96

if we extrapolate the relationship in a linear fashion, then roughly,

a*aa=86-87
a*a*a=91-92



This post has been edited by limeuu: Nov 6 2012, 04:13 PM

you will do well to read carefully and understand, instead of making a fool of yourself......

that was not even an answer to you.....go read my response earlier....

and try to avoid being personal, and discuss with reason and facts....

yes, if you get a job....

no...

no...

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Added on November 30, 2012, 4:30 pmof course, if one is an oz citizen or pr, one CANNOT match to oz or nz dental school....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Nov 30 2012, 04:30 PM

the issue is not really the job....but the right of a foreigner to stay on in oz....which is an immigration issue...

you choose when you want the interview when you fill in the application form.....2 dates you want.....

m2/13 will have a 9 month gap before starting in uk in sept....together with m1/14 students....

being in the earlier batch will NOT increase your chances of getting any particular uni...every batch have allocated places....

for nottingham (jan) and aberdeen (april), you will have less gap, and will be one year ahead of your cohort entering in september...joining people from m1/13.....the other option is warwick (december), but you need to be in the imu-pmr graduate entry stream....

it is premature to think about this, you have 2 1/2 years to go before matching, in fact, it's 3 years, as you only do matching end on 2015....things will change....

just list your preferences, most people will not get their 1st choice.....and just go where ever you are matched....

this is the BIGGEST problem with the imu-pms programme...people do NOT know where they will end up, till the last moment...the uncertainty is unsettling....difficult to make financial planning...

there is no issue with jpa....when jpa gives a scholarship to the imu-pms grogramme, it is already confirmed that any of the pms will be acceptable...they do NOT specify the country (they cannot)...hence there is NOT more uncertainty...

the matching is done NOT by jpa (they have NO say at all), but by the respective unis and imu....

how the matching is done, that's another kettle of fish....

the quoted minimum is aggregate 80% in 4 subjects, 3 of which must be sciences and/or math) and the equivalent in atar is 85....

however, the cut off currently is way above that, the atar cut off is 95.....so you can roughly calculate what the mufy aggregate cut off will be....

the actual cut off will vary depending on the overall qualify of the cohort of students applying.....as of this year's entry, they set atar95 as cutoff, and offer all who pass their interview (which is almost everybody!) places subjected to atar95 achieved.....on a first come first served basis.....

with the reality of the monash sunway programme hitting home, and the likelyhood of the same problem with the numed programme, the imu-pms programme is now extremely popular, and many excellent students who may have gone to monash or numed in the last few years, will now opt for imu-pms as 1st choice....and places are very limited, due to restrictions at the pms....

that is not true.....there are quite a few non-msian students in monash...including singaporeans....they thought they can go work in oz, and hoped that smc will eventually recognise the monash sunway mbbs.....both mistaken.....

but going forward, there will be probably less, as students realise the truth....

actually, the pms do NOT create extra places for the imu students (and brunei unversity, which has a similar arrangement with some uk uni, as well as taylors college with st georges).....

they know that there will always be a drop out rate in any cohort, from either failures, or lost of interests....so by the time the cohort reaches the clinical years, there will always be a few places empty....and they allocate them to partnerships like imu.....

why can't that be?....i am talking about the pms, NOT imu...

that is the norm, all the unis know that in some courses the acceptance rate can be as low as 20%......for medicine, it's likely to be higher, and i know for a fact that one make about 350 offers for 259 places....., making a 75% acceptance rate...they of course do not always get it right, so sometimes they will over offer, resulting in over-enrollment.....

but what i am referring to is the drop out between entry, and the start of the 3rd year....about 2-5% will have dropped out....and it is too late to take in new students....except from places like imu...

i get the feeling from this, that you do not know how the imu-pms system works....but am not sure what/how you are thinking....

no, that does not happen......

they know how many places there are, as committed by the respective pms, at the start of every batch....however, imu always take in more than that, as historically, they weed out the bottom 15-25% of each cohort, usually at eos2 and 3....so by the time the cohort is into sem 4, you are more or less assured of completing phase 1.....

ALL pms stream student who successfully complete phase 1 are assured of a place at one of the pms.....

the uncertainty is which one.....and in fact which country!

the majority of students will NOT get their 1st choice....maybe only the top 20% or so may get it, and the lucky ones lower down who choose the 'right' choice.....how they match, the controversy involved, i have detailed in previous posts.....

if on occasions, the cohort coming through is bigger than the number of places, some of the pms can quite easily absorb the extras....some bigger pms can be quite flexible, as demonstrated by the varying numbers they accept from year to year.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 29 2012, 01:03 AM

definitely NOT....

imu took in bbb and atar 90 as recent as 5 years ago....these are by no means 'cream', and with such low cut off, there will definitely be many who will struggle with the course.....it's a matter of how low they want to set standards.....most ipts will just want to pass everybody, but imu cannot, because 25 other med schools from 5 countries are looking....

remember, imu students are joining med schools with cut offs of aaa and atar99.......it's not for commercial reasons, but compliance with standards reasons...