no.........

that is quite normal for most reputable med school.....where there is usually a final preclinical exam, before moving to the clinical years.......

oxford, cambridge etc..........

in fact, they do a 3 years preclinical, and is awarded a ba (ma) at the end........

the policies in oz change all the time.......

in the late 80's and most of the 90's, the rule is, international students are not allowed to stay and do housemanship in oz (immigration rule)........there are of course loopholes, and some did stay on.......

in the 2000's there was a shortage, so people were allowed to stay.........

going forward, the immigration law allows you to stay, there is still an over all doctor shortage, but there is a shortage of intern jobs.........so some international students may not find placements, although at this point, most who wants to stay have been placed..........

the doctor shortage is like to be resolved in the next 5 years, as a host of new med schools start graduating new doctors......the immigration laws may then be changed again..........at the moment, the pendulum is swinging towards curbing immigration..........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 25 2011, 11:35 AM

it is cheaper at current exchange rates, to go do the 3 years clinical in uk than oz.......and if you match to dundee/aberdeen/notts, you can actually save a fair bit of fees........and out of london, living costs are lower than aussie major cities.........

but do note that edinburgh fees are the highest, on par with oz..........

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Added on April 25, 2011, 1:12 pmagree, choose country rather than uni.....

for uk after fy1-2, they have scrapped tier 1 visas, so you will need tier 2 visa, which means you NEED to have a confirmed job offer to stay on........

people still get jobs and specialisation matches after fy2, but you will need to have good references.........

can't get a match, then you have to leave.......many go to spore........

the competent authority pathway is an option to oz.........but you still need to have a job offer in oz......which is still possible in regional australia currently..........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 25 2011, 01:12 PM

yes, you will NEED to apply for a visa to uk, if you are matched to uk.......so they WILL know......

why is it that people think that just because you pay for it, pay 'full fees' in this case, you can get anything you want?........NO you cannot buy a medical degree in these countries........you can however, in many others........

the reason for this exclusion is to PREVENT BACKDOOR entry into the profession........unlike msia, which is FULL of backdoor pathways to become a doctor, the countries with pms of imu (uk, oz, nz, canada, us) do NOT allow backdoor entry.......

citizens and pr have to apply to get into med schools in these countries, and they are VERY selective who they will admit......

the only reason these citizens and pr's will think of going to imu, is if they FAILED to get an offer in their home country.....and getting in through imu, and then partnering BACK into one of their med school will mean a student who have been REJECTED by the med schools at home getting into the same medical programme via the imu backdoor........

that is a BIG no no in these countries....hence citizens and pr's are prohibited BY THE PMS countries (NOT by imu) to partner back to their own country's own med schools.......but it is a concept completely alien to msians, as msians LOVE the easy pay fees-get in-pass-graduate-back to msia pathways in russia/indonesia/egypt etc.....

and really.....it IS a lot easier to get into imu than direct entry into med schools in uk/oz/nz/canada/us.........

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Added on May 14, 2011, 11:51 pmaddendum: a simple way out of this is to notify the uk authorities you wish to relinquish your right to abode in uk........

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if you start the process immediately after the a2, you should meet the deadlines for 2012 uk........

if you want to try oz for 2012, you need to start NOW......with the isat test, and applications.....some close end may........

the other thing is if you have the requisite a-levels subjects........

only 3 principles are required, and chemistry is usually a requisite, and biology and maths are the usual other 2 subjects people present.........you are doing edexel maths......sounds like ktj.......

only edexel modular system can you lock in a grade before your final exams.....

it is not, for imu now.......cut offs are about 94-95......

ironically, it is easier to get in with a levels.....just abb.....which is about the equivalent of about high 80's.......

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Added on May 17, 2011, 9:05 amielts is compulsory for imu.......

if you are in the pms streams, when you match over, most of the partner unis will want your ielts anyway.....they will accept 'expired' ielts (ie longer than 2 years old) if you had a very high band like 8.5 or 9.0..........otherwise you may need to sit a second round......and i think going forward, in the new british student visa rules, you will also need ielts for the visa application.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: May 17 2011, 09:05 AM

the term used is usually conditional.............

so what's the condition?.........

out of the top 10% of students, who will mostly get their top choices......the rest will be based on a 'lucky draw'......they have to spread the students around.....some good students will need to be matched to unpopular pms......and the popular pms will also have to accept one or two bottom students..........

1. your results should have the cohort average mark or grade, and the standard deviation, so it is quite easy to roughly estimate where you are in your cohort........like i said, if you are not top 10%, it doesn't matter where you are, it WILL be the luck of the draw (or more precisely, the luck of the even distribution exercise....)

2. the worst thing to do is set your mind on any particular pms......better way is decide on country.........and with an open mind to accept any pms they match you to.....what's so special about glasgow anyway.....?

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 15 2011, 06:44 PM

that is unusual numbers of people getting their 1st choice.....it would suggest the preferences are spread out, and not concentrated on a few med schools........in some batches, because of bunching around a few pms, the knock down effect is so marked, many got their >5th choices......even above average students........

the same applies to medicine.....it is quite easy to 'downgrade' from pms to local stream.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 25 2011, 11:48 AM

of course......

there is a reason why the word was used in parenthesis......subtleties of the english language, which is often lost on msians.......

can you do a trade like this?......