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TSkatmai81
post Jan 13 2018, 05:08 PM, updated 8y ago

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My hse has been provided by developer cctvs
However, I have been told by the internet provider that I will need to additionally subscribe to public IP for me to remotely view the cctv over internet. This is despite I already have a broadband active connection.
Anyone has clues about this?
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post Jan 13 2018, 05:21 PM

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There are many ways to view remotely. Either your CCTV already have such services (by the manufacturer). Otherwise, you'll need to subscribe for your own DNS. Checkout DynDNS.
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post Jan 13 2018, 06:10 PM


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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 13 2018, 05:08 PM)
My hse has been provided by developer cctvs
However, I have been told by the internet provider that I will need to additionally subscribe to public IP for me to remotely view the cctv over internet. This is despite I already have a broadband active connection.
Anyone has clues about this?
Thank you
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Yeah, you'll need a public IP. Are you sure you don't have one already? Who is your internet provider? What broadband active connection do you already have?
TSkatmai81
post Jan 13 2018, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Jan 13 2018, 06:10 PM)
Yeah, you'll need a public IP. Are you sure you don't have one already? Who is your internet provider? What broadband active connection do you already have?
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Symphonet is the provider
The support team said I need to additionally subscribe for public IP
Why can't I use the existing internet IP address?
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post Jan 13 2018, 08:35 PM

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Because you are given private IP, like mobile internet fromndogo/maxis/celcom all are private IP.

So far I know only unifi give public IP by default
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post Jan 13 2018, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 13 2018, 08:35 PM)
Because you are given private IP, like mobile internet fromndogo/maxis/celcom all are private IP.

So far I know only unifi  give public IP by default
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Is it not possible to use private IP for cctv?
I rber using wireless IP Aztech camera with unifi and can view remotely without problem
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post Jan 13 2018, 10:42 PM

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Service provider like TM has to apply to a world body for a range of IP addresses.. When Internet was created they thought will not run out but the addresses do run out. That is why now world migrates to IPv6 for more IP addresses.

So when your modem or BTU Broadband Termination Unit is case of fiber) is connected to Internet, the IP address the unit were assigned a public IP address. Then it goes to you wireless AP and the wireless AP generates private IP addresses for devices in your local LAN. The gateway for your modem or BTU is public IP address.

Therefore, when you want to connect to your house, you connect to the public IP address assigned to your home. The same was the websites you connected to www.blah-blah.com is actually a public IP address.

However, since TM have limited public IP addresses, TM has used a router at its node and the customers get private IP address on their modem (most Streamyx customers). The Unifi customer I think still get public IP address. What about service providers that use TM fiber line service. They are given even less public IP addresses. Theregore many of their end customers get private IP addresses. Those on company subscription or persons that need to have public IP address has to request and probably pay more. This is another reason company pay more.

However, there are other condition. Home user get Dynamic IP addresses though it is public IP address. Every time you connect to the service, the public IP address is assigned randomly. So, for company, they would want fixed IP address to enable anyone who access its website. If your home IP address changes all the time, you are unable to log in to your CCTV remotely.

However, there are other service that provide access even if you have dynamic IP address.
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post Jan 13 2018, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 13 2018, 10:42 PM)
Service provider like TM has to apply to a world body for a range of IP addresses.. When Internet was created they thought will not run out but the addresses do run out. That is why now world migrates to IPv6 for more IP addresses.

So when your modem or BTU Broadband Termination Unit is case of fiber) is connected to Internet, the IP address the unit were assigned a public IP address. Then it goes to you wireless AP and the wireless AP generates private IP addresses for devices in your local LAN. The gateway for your modem or BTU is public IP address.

Therefore, when you want to connect to your house, you connect to the public IP address assigned to your home. The same was the websites you connected to www.blah-blah.com is actually a public IP address.

However, since TM have limited public IP addresses, TM has used a router at its node and the customers get private IP address on their modem (most Streamyx customers). The Unifi customer I think still get public IP address. What about service providers that use TM fiber line service. They are given even less public IP addresses. Theregore many of their end customers get private IP addresses. Those on company subscription or persons that need to have public IP address has to request and probably pay more. This is another reason company pay more.

However, there are other condition. Home user get Dynamic IP addresses though it is public IP address. Every time you connect to the service, the public IP address is assigned randomly. So, for company, they would want fixed IP address to enable anyone who access its website. If your home IP address changes all the time, you are unable to log in to your CCTV remotely.

However, there are other service that provide access even if you have dynamic IP address.
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Tq for your info it helps a lot.
So can I just clarify if I m using private IP there is no way I can view the cctv remotely? I will need to subscribe to public IP?
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post Jan 13 2018, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 13 2018, 11:04 PM)
Tq for your info it helps a lot.
So can I just clarify if I m using private IP there is no way I can view the cctv remotely? I will need to subscribe to public IP?
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Yes, not possible with private IP address because there is no way you can type your house IP address to access your CCTV. Private IP address is just local IP address that can be the same duplicate address in other local LAN. Only public IP address unique to everyone in this world.

Another thing is that your public IP address has to be fixed. If it is randomly changed from time to time, then you are unable to know what is your IP address from remote location.
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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 13 2018, 08:40 PM)
Is it not possible to use private IP for cctv?
I rber using wireless IP Aztech camera with unifi and can view remotely without problem
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It's possible. Some DVRs call this P2P. Look at the DVR's config. See if there's something called P2P, some have a QR code which you scan with the smartphone app. You don't need a public IP for this. A 3rd party server is used to establish a connection from your phone to the DVR. Technically it's called a UDP hole punch. Some call it reverse port forwarding which is a totally made-up term but hey, as long as it works. What brand is your DVR?.

Your Aztech is using the same thing.

Here's a video on Youtube. Hopefully your DVR has this feature.


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post Jan 14 2018, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Jan 14 2018, 01:15 AM)
It's possible. Some DVRs call this P2P. Look at the DVR's config. See if there's something called P2P, some have a QR code which you scan with the smartphone app. You don't need a public IP for this. A 3rd party server is used to establish a connection from your phone to the DVR. Technically it's called a UDP hole punch. Some call it reverse port forwarding which is a totally made-up term but hey, as long as it works. What brand is your DVR?.

Your Aztech is using the same thing.

Here's a video on Youtube. Hopefully your DVR has this feature.

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So if I have a p2p dvr or ip wireless camera, I can still remotely view my camera despite my home network is provided with private IP?
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post Jan 14 2018, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 13 2018, 11:10 PM)
Yes, not possible with private IP address because there is no way you can type your house IP address to access your CCTV. Private IP address is just local IP address that can be the same duplicate address in other local LAN. Only public IP address unique to everyone in this world.

Another thing is that your public IP address has to be fixed. If it is randomly changed from time to time, then you are unable to know what is your IP address from remote location.
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How does DysDNS fits in in this network thing for private zip as suggested?
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post Jan 14 2018, 09:38 AM

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No need. IP cam shouldn’t be should not be complicated nowadays

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4433938&hl=

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post Jan 14 2018, 09:45 AM

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1. Buy ip cctv. Theyvuse p2p. You can view them remotely. Or newer wired cctv system nowadays also start to use p2p.
2. If you want to keep your old cctv, then you need to have dns account, setup port forward and then install vpn server in your router. Even if your ip is private or dynamic ip. It will work but alot of hassle.

I got both of above setup and I am slowly changing to option 1. Wireless ip cctv


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post Jan 14 2018, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 14 2018, 09:31 AM)
How does DysDNS fits in in this network thing for private zip as suggested?
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Our service provider is using dynamic ip (random) to assign on your network. The ip will change every time. Unless you choose the expensive package which have static ip (fix).

To overcome this problem, such DynDns will keep track your network ip. You will be using 1 of their ip (you can choose or make your own between their spec) to replace your network ip. Every time and everywhere you type in the DynDns ip, it will look for the latest ip on your network. That is how you can always access your home network.

But DynDns come with a string. The free version have limited function. I not sure still got free or trial 30day. For free, you need to renew every 30day in their website. If you reset your router, it will take sometime to track back your ip. You need to configure the router and the website.

Been using it for many yrs for free till they change the term&condition. Which if not mistaken no more free.

Now using the maker server ip. Which is much more better.


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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 14 2018, 09:29 AM)
So if I have a p2p dvr or ip wireless camera, I can still remotely view my camera despite my home network is provided with private IP?
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Yes, it will work private ip. Well, most likely. Since your Aztech works, I'd say the answer would tend towards yes.

How much does Symphonet charge for a dynamic public ip? You told them that Maxis & TM provides it on request for free?

This post has been edited by soonwai: Jan 15 2018, 01:19 AM
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post Jan 14 2018, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 14 2018, 09:31 AM)
How does DysDNS fits in in this network thing for private zip as suggested?
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It is not with private ip but with dynamic public ip that changes. It is like what ozak mentioned. Last time, like many software, there are many free services but later become paid service.

Another way is to use an application that monitor your public IP address and send an e-mail to your private e-mail like g-mail. You can then check your e-mail for latest public IP address. However, you need to have a laptop or PC running at home 24 hours to keep mailing you. Last time there are free aplication like this but I can't recall any name.
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QUOTE(katmai81 @ Jan 13 2018, 05:08 PM)
My hse has been provided by developer cctvs
However, I have been told by the internet provider that I will need to additionally subscribe to public IP for me to remotely view the cctv over internet. This is despite I already have a broadband active connection.
Anyone has clues about this?
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It is best for you to list out the brand of IP camera in your house in order for us to help. Any NVR to do recording?
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post Jan 14 2018, 01:55 PM

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Doesn't seem necessary when you can just use dns
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post Jan 14 2018, 02:05 PM

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If don't have NATing, or public ip access from external, you need to use hosted services where your cctv will be permanent connect to server online. When you need to access, go online to the server and view your cctv realtime, the server will bridge external to the cctv.

Like how Xiaomi DaFang cctv work.

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