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S3phiroth
post Aug 31 2018, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(zinglicious @ Aug 31 2018, 01:39 AM)
He is like Jack Ma of SEA now especially Uber went out limping like a doggie with the tail stuck in between the legs.  mega_shok.gif 

I doubt the Crap understand the Chinese idiom especially he is like Hitler who had conquered almost the whole Europe.  rclxub.gif

What Crap understand is that there is a lot of donkeys working for peanut for the Rm10 fare to pick up riders at KLCC which can take 30 minutes to reach PUP and another 30 minutes to reach designation.  shakehead.gif

Sejarah Hari Ini  - No German generals would tell Herr Fuhrer Hitler that Napolean failed to invade Moscow because of bitter winter........otherwise that general would face firing squad.  sweat.gif

( I once took a trip which lasted 1.30 hours from Petaling street into Pavillion  for Rm10 high fare) bangwall.gif
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1 hour for rm4 job from the mines to south city when i was still a fresh blood.
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post Sep 3 2018, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(chrnosx @ Sep 3 2018, 03:40 PM)
When only I can get 20% without AA? I cant wait man...
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Old drivers tend to get lower commission when crap has a new strategy or has a new way to screw drivers.

Yes I am not kidding.

This post has been edited by S3phiroth: Sep 3 2018, 04:01 PM
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post Sep 3 2018, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kyle_lcw @ Sep 3 2018, 03:11 PM)
What’s wrong with the system?
I got ping come in with auto accept even i didnt on the AA.
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Crap knows drivers wont on AA to accept ikan bilis job at B/P hour so they pura-pura buat system error to force u to do charity works.
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post Sep 3 2018, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(chrnosx @ Sep 3 2018, 04:12 PM)
They cant do it long anyway, since the minister already said max is 20% commission. 1 year till implementation along with Puspakom!
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The problem is MOT didnt mention that it is max 20% commission unconditionally.

Then u see crap will say that they do comply to the requirement conditionally.
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post Sep 3 2018, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(cw80 @ Sep 3 2018, 06:05 PM)
slowly remove HG(driver)....new driver now all flexi...can't opt in anymore
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Crap will force all drivers to switch on AA or something similar when HG is completely removed, or else who is going to accept the ikan bilis job?

Mark my words.
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post Sep 4 2018, 12:21 PM

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I just notice that grab is having a rm30 promo for 1st time crappay user. So u guys may want to get a new rider account to enjoy the free ride.
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post Sep 4 2018, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 4 2018, 12:36 PM)
Haha despo for new rider i guess laugh.gif doh.gif
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Obviously they want to repeat the same money strategy that beat uber on CrapPay.
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post Sep 4 2018, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Sep 4 2018, 12:38 PM)
need a new SIM card?
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Yup.

All i did is just get a new sim card for the phone that solely use for driver app.
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post Sep 4 2018, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(cw80 @ Sep 4 2018, 01:48 PM)
The Company reserves the right to modify, vary or change the terms and conditions of this Agreement or its policies relating to the Service at any time as it deems fit.

THE COMPANY IS A TECHNOLOGY COMPANY THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE OR ENGAGE IN TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND THE COMPANY IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER. THE SOFTWARE AND THE APPLICATION ARE INTENDED TO BE USED FOR FACILITATING YOU (AS A TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER) TO OFFER YOUR TRANSPORTATION SERVICES TO YOUR PASSENGER OR CUSTOMER

😅key word...wash hand properly...
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I use an internet service provided by a telco to do biz but i dont recall that they ever told me what i can/cannot do or how should i serve/charge my customer. I can reject unprofitable job without getting penalized and obviously wont kena ban because i reject too many jobs.

My biz, my rule. Can the application facilitor crapcar says the same?

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post Sep 4 2018, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Sep 4 2018, 03:51 PM)
Grab rules = lowyat rule, u don't like, u don't drive. u don't come here, Grab/ mod have the ultimate say......
Did the forum software provider sets the rules for lowyat forum? No right?

Their rule if crapcar is a transportation service provider. However they are not. Simply say, all these wordings are just a legal tactics to avoid the legal responsibilty as a transportation service provider.

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post Sep 4 2018, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Sep 4 2018, 04:16 PM)
the mod set.....u in mod bad book, u kena banned  laugh.gif
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U didnt get what i was trying to say sad.gif
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post Sep 6 2018, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Sep 6 2018, 11:28 AM)
if you doing grab and cant net more then RM15/hr after deduct all expenses you should quit and go do other things. This is the bare minimum for KV ppl btw.
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Rm15 per hour is a bit low dont u think so? Die die pun at least rm20 per hour as per ahboy's standard.
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post Sep 7 2018, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Sep 6 2018, 10:27 PM)
as you can see, there's a range of earnings even among drivers here.  what is low to you is impossible to someone else.
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average net rm20 per hour should be served as a benchmark to guide drivers whether they are doing this the right way or not. Says if u cant achieve this amount while most other drivers can then it means something is wrong with you. For example, our fellow driver who left genting with empty car after waiting 7-8hours several times. If he has some sort of benchmark to guide him then he definitely knew that he should not takes the job or at least left the shitty place without waiting.

It also can be used a benchmark for fulltimer whether this job is still worth doing or not. Given the current incentive structure and market demand, i am not sure that net rm20 per hour is still achievable or not. If the answer is no, then they better start find another job before crap does something to further reduce our profitability, again.
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post Sep 7 2018, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Sep 6 2018, 10:37 PM)
yes, if his gross is Rm25, rule of thumb net is 60% of it, which is indeed RM15. this assuming sedan, if 6S will be less then 60%.
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Here is my way of estimate net profit.

Assume:-

1. Commission = 20%
2. Petrol = 20%
3. Maintenance / Wear&Tear = 10%

Net Profit = Gross fare x (1 - 20% - 20% - 10%) + Gross Incentive x (1 - 20%)
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post Sep 7 2018, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Sep 7 2018, 10:04 AM)
compare flexi and flexi and
hg and HG (on AA)..better...to compare apple 2 apple

flexi need higher expertise and experience so that collection per hours is at least equivalent to HG. Crapcar love to bombard ikan bills jobs to flexi drivers
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u cant simply just reduce the benchmark figure because flexi is harder. This benchmark is a guideline for u to know whether u r doing this wrong or tell u when to quit.

So doesnt really matter flexi or hg, at the end it is always how much u net per hour that counts.
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post Sep 7 2018, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 7 2018, 10:38 AM)
Haha true

Moving around with the least km is the key
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Basically I use two benchmarks:-

1. Minimum net profit of RM20 per hour.

2. Minimum gross fare+incentive of RM1 per km. Total travel distance starts count from the moment i leave home until i reach home.

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post Sep 7 2018, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Sep 7 2018, 10:23 AM)
actually last time when HG/Ambassador give many incentive blocks, that was the best training to new drivers. because if they werent choosy they can really learn the whole KV or at least the parts where lots of grab riders. safety net while learning. then after 1 year they can play flexi/hunt big fare style. now harder for noobies unless they got mentor.
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I suspect mentor pun mau lari nowaday. brows.gif
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post Sep 7 2018, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Sep 7 2018, 11:31 AM)
i got another kpi:

estimated petrol consumption/ (fare + incentive)= xx%

Net rm20 per hour is good figure by the way
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Credits should go to ahboy for his most logical input and analysis here that lay down the groundwork hence set the benchmark figure for everyone else.
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post Sep 7 2018, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(Goodboy92 @ Sep 7 2018, 12:20 PM)
Lols ,  rclxm9.gif

Actually you guys not yet include car depreciation , not sure how much it affect you guys , but i don't travel much , 10k every 5-6month follow maintenance schedule , if those 20-30k per month the depreciation or damage was rather high.

Anyone has their axia more than 300k or 500k ? Does your car become more easily part spoil etc? And how much it affect resale value?

I don't have such problem if my mileage was always 20k-25k per year " normal usage " , those heavy usage yet earn same amount as normal usage how ? Haha ( the different in resale value was not as important as part breakdown easily )

If axia resale 20k maybe heavy usage become 15k , 5k different in 3-4years

Those who plan to use their car after stop grab also will have higher risk of part break down compare to normal car
( this was same to any high mileage user example sales person )
Let say I plan to use this car for 10years , while front 5years I use for drive grab and last 5years I don't , but I might need to bear the part breakdown cost of later 5years , while normal user might don't have. ( bearing , suspension etc )
What I want to point out was these were hidden future cost

If sell off this car and buy new one will for sure not as cost saving as repairing , while if the car can't be fix ( problem reoccur frequently ) then you are having a big loss on car depreciation value unless you sell it for good price , still it loss more than those who don't change car.

I only own a car for 1 years , others who have long car owning with high mileage might have better experience on what was real cost.
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It becomes complicated if u want to include depreciation or any other hidden costs in the estimation.

That is why your proposal of minimum net rm20 per hour is good enough.
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post Sep 7 2018, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 7 2018, 12:33 PM)
Count in the car cost see how much profit u can get. I think only left 30-40% out of gross fare.

So 2k gross is just max RM800 per week. Tell me worth or not? whistling.gif

Rather go find full time job then take this as part time, treat as extra income.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If really want to include car cost and depreciation in the calculation then i think we need to look at it from investment/biz point of view. Says, use ROI as a benchmark.

Seriously do we really need to make it so complicated? Just use Ahboy KPI (named after him since he set the standard) enough already.

This post has been edited by S3phiroth: Sep 7 2018, 02:08 PM

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