just need some feedback regarding these 4 model of SUV with turbo (for new model or gen)
Honda CRV
Hyundai Tucson
Peugeot 3008
VW Tiguan

I haven"t go for test drive yet.

maybe u can comment or share some info regarding the powerful of engine, interior space, driving experience, maintenance etc..
but no need to discuss for resale value la

This post has been edited by bob: Dec 14 2017, 10:17 PM

3008? Pray to God after buying it. Stupiak high pressure fuel pump or coil plugs will kaput within a year of ownership.

u're refer to oprevious gen of 3008 right ..

i'm more interested about the current gen

ala. honda la. senang jaga. japun kereta what can go wrong.

All are tuned supposedly for efficiency , honestly between tiny turbo and bigger CC , my preference always bigger CC no turbo, instantaneous response to gas pedal , all turbos have boost lag

This post has been edited by rcracer: Dec 10 2017, 09:51 AM

Same engine and electronics. Same problem later.

Same haters... Haahahaha

Like i said.. Pls give some review not just simply blamed base on old issue

Well. I'm the current owner of the previous gen 3008. Year 2012. Since bought, already spent close to RM 15K to fix it. And it is still not done. Sell also no RV. RM 30K also people don't want it. Had to keep it and use it sparingly.

French people only know how to make beautiful things but never reliable. Don't compare modern Peugeot with 1940s Peugeot. Back then, their vehicles are meant for war so it has to be reliable. Now, they gotten lazy.

can add in kia sportage into your consideration

and the cx5 diesel at a stretch

To add in the list how about Forester XT? Slightly over 160 if the promotion still on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess our local forester xt does not come with a turbo engine?

Meanwhile for Ts, why not consider cx5 2.2d?

Forester is NA. Forester XT is turbo.

XT should be over 200K.

Not looking for diesel engine

Feel sorry for u n ur pug.
Sometimes its base on luck too

wont go wrong with honda

and for Peugeot is not about luck , its about when and where

i see. guess i saw the wrong brochure then lol.

anyways thanks for the clarification

Mazda CX5
Renault Captur

Honda CR-V

crv，you wont go wrong with it.

Can u give some feedback on performance n valueable featurrs

I've only test drove the new CRV, so can't give real experience on the others.

All my cars (3x) are sedans (ranging from 1.5L to 2.4L), so that's my reference.

When driving the CRV i felt like I'm driving a sedan, but with higher seating position. I like it.
Power is as good as a 2.4L car, but for sure the FC will be much better due to the better efficiency of turbos + small CC
Interior you have lots of it. Dunno about the other SUV thought.

Long time ago i had the same opinion, however after driving forced induction smaller CC, I would go for the forced induction.
More low end and flatter torque (this is more important for me than high RPM hp), better FC, lower road tax, easier to tune / remap for more power gains

Thing with forced induction is the turbo has finite lifetime , the seals don't last forever , eventually it will start burning engine oil

Anyone know whats the latest promotion for Hyundai Tucson?
I only remember they give 3 years free service.

VW Tiguan last month they have rebate up to 14K, not sure still valid or not.

CRV and 3008 no promotion currently due to newly launched.

normally how long the lifetime for turbo

tucson give extra free service for another 2 yrs (so total is 5 yrs ) or can choose for bodykits

as for tiguan, a big discount is for test/demo car

Wow, 5 years free service is good deal.
Probably save RM6-8K.

turbo car need 97 or juz stick to 95?

On paper looks nice, but if want drive 2.4 power, will get 2.4 fuel consumption in general. The thermodynamic efficiency of engines didn't really change much despite adding a turbo charger.

And it could even be higher than the usual 2.4, so get your expectations right. Only on really light loads and light foot you get nice FC numbers, which most likely is really unrealistic driving.

Factory fitted turbo are done to get larger n/a displacement power at a lower engine displacement.
A turbocharger increase the volumetric efficiency of the engine, and by re-using exhaust gas, you in a way improve thermal efficiency of the engine

Driving at full throttle to me is unrealistic driving, to me that's what you're saying.
Most of the time i'm on light load and partial throttle.

My expectations is right and so are the facts of the engine designers. Hence why we see more manufacturers jumping on the forced induction route.
Even F1 has gone to small CC forced induction.

What you say is true, volumetric efficiency, car manufacturers favourite term when it comes to turbocharging. But what they don't tell you is air fuel ratio remains and most of the time is a little worse than NA as more fuel is required for cylinder cooling. Go too lean (less fuel injected), you get pinging and chances of pinging in turbo cars are much higher due to the elevated combustion chamber temperature.

Turbocharging enhances engine response, that i don't deny. But improve FC, not really.

The only time where these small turbo-ed engine definitely win in FC is during heavy traffic/traffic jam where majority of time is around idle rpm range. Smaller cc engine, lesser mass, lesser energy/fuel to keep it running.

TS, is there any reason u looking for SUV with turbo only?

Just curious

This post has been edited by gacktleong: Dec 12 2017, 05:30 PM

cx5 2.2D

Just my personal taste.
Use to drive 2.0 n/a suv, feel underpower

Depends on how much you want to spend on engine oil

Cheaper , faster dead, more expensive , last longer

Agree with you.
I have Sportage GT 2011 and CR-V 2014, both 2.0 n.a.
Really feel under-power when overtaking on highway or driving uphill.

I did test drive CX-5 2.2D last month and felt the max torque from 2000 rpm onward is godsend.
But as you're looking for petrol turbo, can't really help you.

The smaller the engine, the turbo will need to work very hard unlike bigger turbo charged engine.

As for Peugeot 3008, many complaints of turbo failing after 1-5 to 2 years but older turbo SUVs like Airtrek only need to replace the turbo after 7-8 years.

I see
Im actually driving a turbo car now, not a large turbo
But the fun of driving turbo is legit

Hope u get made ur decision on ur SUV sir

once u go turbo diesel u will never go back.
the torque is just hngghhhhh!!!!!!!!!
a perfect combo for suv as suv is heavier.
mileage is also very good for diesel

go test drive hyundai santa fe crdi, kia sorento crdi or cx5 2.2d
and u will know what i mean

Nope, not luck.
another 3008 user reporting in,
its as bad as how acbc mentioned

items breaks at the same interval as my friend's 308 turbo same time purchase
as in radiator, gasket, gearbox, fuel, susp's, bearing, electronics, brakes, etc
15k repairs per year excl normal wear and tear.

1 gen later, another guy I know also had issues and instant sold after hearing from me.

Combo this with bad service centers, you will feel the motion and emotions

if u call that luck, I need 4D toto, sure win kau kau

My Peugeot 308 cost me more than 20K to fix last year.


When i try to sell, cant even sell for 20K.

So now i decided to keep it as secondary car.

So, have you make up your mind on which to choose?

In my list was VW Tiguan and CRV, however Tiguan HL will only the best choice but out of my budget.

Currently only consider CRV, but not sure to take 2.0 or 1.5tc. Wonder which will be more fuel efficiency?? After read the review here, understand that 2.0 will be under power, so might stick to 1.5tc.

This post has been edited by Cheryl227: Dec 16 2017, 05:09 AM

U should see the vw services fees for 60k km and 120k km from vw Malaysia website.

If it affordable then can proceed with it. Same goes to others vw model cz of the dsg.

My Japanese model major service arr capped at closed to 1k

The tiguan is one handsome looking SUV, it has that German look.
As a owner of a twin charged - supercharged and turbocharged Volkswagen, I can tell you that it's a joyful driving experience. Just press the pedal and it catapults you forwards. Once you've tried the turbo charged route there's no turning back to NA engines.

Sales of Toyota is plummeting here in Malaysia as Toyotas are very underpowered and outdated. No one is buying the corolla and Camry nowadays. If you want Japanese choose Honda but I still think Volkswagen has the edge.

Toyota can remain dead if they keep the same formula.

Turn me off when the so called new Vios 2018 keep using the same Engine and CVT as current model.

Even the awaiting Camry 2018 using a bulb type rear light as others already going into LED

after had a close look & test drive .. now i'm consider either tucson or tiguan CL.

i like the engine power, handling, driving and interior for both.
of coz crv is a winner for interior space but not for the driver.
as for 3008 .. maybe need to wait & see for their improvement in reliability & SC.

Haven't have a look on Tucson. Is it nice to drive and comfortable for rear seat passenger too? I'm just worry the reliability only.

Captur=Xtrail

I owned 2 Pugs b4....and due to that become buddies with my Pug mechanics out of necessities..

So no..its not based on luck...their systems/parts crumble like chipsmore cookies under out hot weather..

Just saying....if any of you do not believe this or think you are damn lucky....no problem....but pls heed this advise...ALWAYS have a 2nd car if you drive a Pug!

Tucson is nice to drive with good handling, performance, comfort & stability.
Rear seat is comfortable too & legroom is good enough for that suv segment.
As for reliability.. Nowadays Korean car are getting better.. Maybe current owner of hyundai can tell more

Yeah, I second that. Always have a 'reliable' car as 2nd / backup. Doesn't matter the brand, but more often than not, and also statistically, it's the Japanese models which is the reliable one.

My jap car has so many accidental problem and it was still drive able with no check engine ligts, any conti cars worth their EUR 0.02 would long time protest and stop beside the road or remain in driveway, refusing to start.

I was been attracted by Peugeot 3008 (2018) interior design. especially the front one , is like the leather cover the driver. But, after google search and forum search, get quite a lot of bad comment about the after sales service of Peugeot malaysia. Plus, the part of the car was hike expensive.
although with the price range below 200k, i really like the design of it. but, it caused me handbrake

Then, i search the Honda CR-V, one thing i don't like is the poor sound insulation.
No doubt, Honda & toyota has good reputation in term of easy to maintain, more affordable price. But, their design really........not really attract me. like this 10 years, the interior design not much change.

Just had a up close and personal with CRV at the showroon without test drive, I found the interior materials feel really... cheap.

1. Faux wood garnish - awful and cheap;
2. Gear shift - cheap, and the button is flimsy, saw in Youtube the button came off;
3. Steering wheel buttons - plasticky and cheap;

But overall, the CRV is one all-rounder and utilitarian SUV.

Volvo XC60.. a used 2014 for real turbo.. not sissy soft turbo

torsion beam

crv is meant to be a cheap suv...

xc90 t8 is the bomb!

you pay for tax n duty... less on the car

consider the Q5 if looking at tiguan. got a 2015/end-2015 unit with 22k on the clock for less than a CL tiguan.

tiguan is nice and practical, if only they brought in the 2.0 turbo.

so far no regrets, cabin is much quieter than my 13yo volvo at 170.

u left out another one...

after u tested all the above..

go test drive this:


Subaru Forester XT

http://www.subaruforester.asia/16my/home/

pricing and specs: http://www.subaru.asia/my/media/buying/inf...st.pdf?id=l2y34

full site: http://www.subaru.asia/my/en/vehicles/fore...pg=introduction

How about Subaru and the Kia Sportage Diesel?

The latest gen Peugeot 3008 has a lot of problems solved from previous gen. It was also long term stressed tested on Malaysian road without any major breakdown.
Besides the interior, the handling prowess is something that is lacking in any Japanese makes.

If not the Peugeot 3008 won't be getting so many major awards:
European Car of the Year 2017
CarBuyer Car of the Year 2017
DieselCar Magazine Car of the Year 2017
DieselCar Magazine Best Medium SUV 2017

And good thing the structural chassis as well as parts used here and Europe are 100% the same. There is no "downgraded" parts used here to lower cost. They only removed certain features to keep the cost below certain bracket, but everything that isn't there you can see with your eyes, not skimped from below the bonnet.

I think the since the current 308 e-thp there was a big change over from the previous Peugeot, a lot of problems related to reliability has been solved. The only thing that still needs catching up is the quality of SC under Naza.
Also recently Peugeot's main group PSA has bought over 51% of Gurun plant. They plan to stay here long term and use the plant for future CKD models. This is good news because it shows long term commitment to the market.

How about Mazda CX5 2.0 GLS ? I just test it. so far so good.

Hi sir, thanks for your advise. are you owner of 3008 2018 also ?

cx5 boot space too dissapointing...

Coming from 2011 KIA Sportage GT and 2014 CRV, the CX-5’s boot space and rear seats are letdown.

Winning awards and reliability are two very separate things.

The famous Golf gearbox issues, former Car of the Year winner.
VW dieselgate cars also won World Car of the year
First gen fiat 500 (unreliable as hell), also winner of COTY

I dont think the parts are downgraded from European side, but they may not be fully homogenized here for our weather (our weather killed many Euro make cars)

In terms of looks, 3008 is definitely the best. CRV is butt ugly.

CX5 looks good, but interior space is really compact.

I hope, they increase their warranty period (7 years) and then perhaps change the people's mindset.

Nope, I own a 208 GTi, but I have 2 friends that own a 3008 2018.

Cars bought prior to 2015 was given additional 2 years warranty for drivetrain parts (which totals to 7 years) in an effort to win back consumer's confidence.. The newer cars are 5 years, because 2015/2016 onwards the reliability issues have been reduced significantly compared to previous (remember the huge issues with Prince engine on Peugeot cars between 2010-2014)?

I can agree that reliability is a separate issue. No matter how you look at it, Continental's perceived and actual reliability is still lower than their Japanese counterparts. There is no question about it. Now why is that so, sure both camps have their own reasons. The Japanese camp will say their engineering is better, more time devoted to testing. The Continentals will say their cars are chock full of sensors, NEW technology, things that are important and some regulatory mandated, but not long term tested/refined, whereas Japanese cars (especially the ones that are super reliable), have nothing inside them to breakdown, etc etc. But what I can say specifically on the Prince platform is that because it is 12 years old, it has been improved many times over, and the Prince engine you see now is not the same it was 5 years back. The current Peugeot 308 launched in 2015/6 has much lower engine issues (let's not kid ourselves, still have, its not completely gone) compared to the prior models which was notorious.

That said, after driving a Conti for a fair bit, and after seeing many accident photos of friends and others' conti car, people who got into massive accident but lived to tell the tale, there is one huge factor conti owners continue to purchase contis, and that is because of the amount of engineering that goes into chassis design. I cannot speak with absolute certainty on how Japanese chassis are being done, but it has never elicit confidence in terms of safety, at least for me. Plus, if you do take a part of typical mass produced segmet (B segmet, entry level C) and compare crash bar thickness, chassis sheet metal strength, etc, I daresay you'll end up feeling safer being inside a continental car. Unfortunately this "benefit" is something that most people won't "claim" until an accident. But sometimes when you are in an accident, it may be too late to want this benefit.

Whoa relax brother, why are you so hostile?
The new 3008 (based on the 1.6 THP Engine (FDTM, 3rd Gen THP Engine) was tested here in Malaysia by being stress driven for 100,000 km within 4 months time. It was actually driven non stop for 24 hours, with 3 shift of drivers. Of course they stopped every 10,000 km for service. The test was completed without any failures, leakages or sensor damage. This info was shared to me by a close friend working in Peugeot Malaysia. Perhaps you can verify it with their Marketing team.

The current latest gen engine that is used has been changed iteratively many times since the original Prince that was initially launched and is now in the 3rd generation. Lot's of improvements have been made.
The THP200 that I am using now only had 1 HPFP failure in the 3 + years i've used, and that HPFP was recalled and changed to an improved design just last year, also applicable for all the other THP engines. So even after 12 years they are still improving the engine. Arguable it should've been fixed from the get go, but we all know how it is difficult to have an engine work perfectly in all global conditions, especially if there are not many localised parts. While I'll steer away from recommending the Prince engine back in 2010-2015, but from 2016/2017 onwards, with all the improvements, the Prince engine has become much more reliable. 12 years of low pressure turbo experience will have to amount to something, and I'd expect the Puretech engine with is PSA's 2nd type of turbo engine to be much more reliable than it's predecessor (Prince). And because of the birthing pains I'll trust the Europeans to have more experience and knowledge building low-pressure turbo cars than the Japs, which only started mass producing low-pressure engines a decade after the Europeans started.

audi malaysia unit, 1 expat owner, full service record.

Even if the engine is "reliable", when the aircond components give at the 3-4 year mark, that leaves a terrible taste in anyone's mouth.

had a 308 vti for the wife, last batch with panoramic roof, mind you it wasn't the turbo engine. cooling coil, condensor, compressor for aircond, fan relay 3-4 times changed, timing solenoid x2 (intake and exhaust), speed sensor x 2. those were the major stuff i can think of. sold it off.

i guess i "had it good" compared to the others

I don't disagree, I think their biggest weak point is still on the aircond, but the entire aircond system (cooling coil, condensor & compressor) underwent a total recall last year too. It applied to all Peugeot cars IINM, mine including which was a 2014 year car. I'm guessing the newer cars will be better, but time will tell.

It seems to be an inherent weakness in continental car, parts that are not long lasting in our severe weather. Which is why with PSA coming into Malaysia and building cars here in Gurun (for their SEA market), the chance for localisation is there, and things can only improve. Until then, it will still be a trade off, between chassis superiority/safety vs absolute reliability/resale value.

And like I said previously, all the issues and the lack of resale value will put a downer to many owners, but specifically to those owners that have the unfortunate experience of being themselves (or their loved ones) in a major accident inside a continental car, they will appreciate the fact that they've bought one, despite the problems faced. Because ultimately you can't put a value to life. And I personally know a couple of these people, that walked away from total loss cars with just scratches. When it happened, resale value and inconveniences became "cheap prices" in comparison to the gain that was reaped, which was a saved life.

And it is precisely the reason above why I will always recommend a continental car regardless of the brand to people. Their regulatory requirements means safety is inherent in their chassis design.

lol, had the 3 + 2 year warranty. tune protect covers the +2 year warranty and they voided it, thus making me pay for the entire aircond system, because an engine service was not done on time. the dealer was of no help whatsoever, car sat there untouched for a month. did not receive a recall for the aircond system either.

but yes, if you're happy to deal with the niggles of owning a conti, go for it. personally have never owned a non-conti, but the peugeot is a whole new ball game.

Ah. I just had an interest debate with my cousin the other day.

Safety is important. Are continental car's safer? Maybe. They do feel better in terms of driving confidence and dynamics

But, my cousin mentioned that reliability must be factored in as a safety item. A car that is safe, should score well on safety, and also reliability.

A car is dangerous if it breaks down. Like, my uncle's Ford Mondeo. Was it a top rated car in terms of safety? Yes. Was it reliable? No. Gearbox issues, ignition timing, Turbo leaks and etc. So overall, it is not as safe as it can be.

Lexus is the only brand I know that is as good as the Germans in terms of "feel". I own both at the same time, so, I can give a decent feedback.

I think safety wise the japanese and local cars already have catch-up with the europeans. Just a decade back its hard to find a car under 150k that has 5 star ncap, 6 airbags and ESC but now even the MyVi has them..

r u urgently need the turbo SUV ? can you wait till last quarter of this year ?
Proton SUV around 100k, hv more than what some of the above have, 1.8 turbo.

The EP6 has several design flaws and no stress test can reveal them immediately. Need at least several years then only show up. If u selling the car after 3-4 years then ok. Next buyer will suffer the most. My 3008 since new had several parts replaced when the car is barely 5 years old. In 12 months, it sat at the workshop for 3 months.

Yes I am, but purely based on my experience hearing from ex-owners, from workshops, and from claims from people supposedly in the know that certain Japanese cars that were tested under NCAP conditions are re-launched in ASEAN region with changed (weaker) internals. Plus, I take consideration of the automotive culture that is Europe vs Japan. In Europe, regulatory mandates for both emission & safety is higher than in Japan, plus the culture in terms of speed is different, in Europe speed is celebrated (like in Germany), but in Japan, it is capped. These affect the design approach in both region.

But hey, don't take it from my word because I don't have proof in numbers/black & white, it is all based on my experience and exposure. My personal decision is to mitigate my risks and err at caution when it comes to safety. Based on what I've personally heard and see, I cannot be in good conscience recommend something I do not believe in, hence why I will recommend Continentals over Japanese.
And you can of course do the same as per your own belief and convictions, and in turn bear the risks/consequences (or reap the rewards) attached to such a decision .

They did, they have tested both highways and B roads to simulate real world usage. I recall someone from either Nasim or PSA remarked that our road conditions are much worse than most ASEAN countries, so they will be testing future ASEAN cars in Malaysia before launching. But again, unless a log is furnished (something I definitely cannot produce) you can claim that it's all marketing speak, and it is understandable. We'll wait and see for real world results?

EP6 indeed had several design flaws, but many has been rectified throughout the 2nd and 3rd iteration. I'm sure there are still issues but mostly its in the auxiliary components due to skimping of materials and/or lack of ability to acclimatize well in our country's terrible heat & humidity. Mine may not be a good comparison, but it is EP6 based nonetheless. I've been using mine for 100+k km, 4 years, zero issues with turbo. Only on HPFP which has since have been improved under recall, and the diverter plastic adapter which is a notorious problem for PSA & VAG turbos (this I one major cost related issue which IMO shouldn't have happened in the first place).

Mine after recall even worse. Now suffering from turbo underboost and high FC.

Worse engine ever. Even BMW gave up on it.

That is odd, because after recalled most that I know had no issues. Do you mind telling me where did you send it to?
I do not know of many SC, but I have a few whom I trust to solve issues, perhaps I can recommend. In any case after recall there should not be issues, provided of course the car is maintained regularly a per manufacturer requirement.

Other than the air-cond compressor (which admittedly is an issue plaguing most continental cars due to their lack of localization experience) the rest to my knowledge aren't big issues anymore.
My brother's 5 year old Pug 308 doesn't have any of these problem. That said, I'm sure if a sampling is done, it is an issue that plagues other cars too (except older Jap cars that hardly have any sensors, like Vios or Altis which uses 20 year old engine technology ). Go to Honda FB page and you can find people complaining about HRV's absorber noise/fault, driveshaft issues, Honda Civic has air cond compressor issues too, etc. Whereas the majority complaints for Peugeot are mainly on the older cars (pre-2015), as well as people's "hearsay".

But really I think the hate towards Contis are initially warranted, but severely misplaced now despite the improvements/effort that have been made.
I mean look at Honda, they put exploding airbags into car, killed a couple of people, the outrage is minimal in Malaysia.
Kobe steel issues that affected Toyota (eventually cleared), Mazda, Honda also minimal outrage. Both issues are direct safety related.
The first mass introducer of CVTs, which is Honda, caused plenty of problem before the tech got matured, also minimal outrage.

The point I'm making is, Malaysians have (rightfully) grown up loving their Japanese cars, but are now allowing them to take advantage of their trust. And don't get me wrong, they were the pioneers in many things back in the past, but 10ish years ago, bouyed by their achievements (Toyota for example), they stopped innovating, stop giving back to the consumer, and focused on designing not to improve but to save money (and earn more). Their ethos of doing everything 'as efficient as possible' means that they rarely overengineer things. It is very evident, the so called 'reliable' cars are
- low tech 20 year old engine and 4 speed transmissions
- hardly any sensors which consequently means no active safety features
- "weight" saving that translated to lower gauge steel, etc
With the above, sure you get great reliability because there isn't anything to breakdown in the first place. And with the drivetrain used have been 20 years tested, every single kink has been ironed out. That is 'reliability' for you. Couple with great marketing, Malaysians lap up these pricey but aged vehicles with hotcakes, and with the high demand, high resale value is a byproduct.

On the flip side, due to regulatory requirements, continental were constantly forced to innovate and improve their engine, gearboxes, active and passive safety, etc. As a result:
- first to mass introduce low pressure turbos
- improvements in DCT
- all round sensors and driver assistance (now Honda trumpets their Honda Sensing, something made mandatory ages ago in Europe. Ford, Peugeot and subsequently Mazda thanks to their initial partnership with Ford had them couple of years ago before Honda)
- ABS, EBD, VSA/ESP/ESC all made their way into cheaper cars much earlier than Japanese equivalent (remember when the Vios and Camry finally had VSA?)
With the above, of course loads of issues came about. Because they are all new but not long term tested tech. But the point is, European car are driven to advancement, and as a consequence will have more until they eventually iron out all the issues. But at least your money paid is for real R&D that will make a difference when you actually need it, such as safety.

Naza @ Glenmarie

If you still have your car I'd ask you to bring it to the Technical Center at Glenmarie (not the SC which is the normal service side of things).
I haven't actually experienced issues with Glenmarie SC, but I've only been there once. Usually I get my stuff settled at Setia Alam or CS Euro in Butterworth (depends where I am).

Well it is Naza's loss, and unfortunately it is service and SC inconsistencies that is the lacking factor now, not the actual car. Nowhere close to the behemoth that is Honda and Toyota, sadly.

yeah ..i'm still waiting for that

Features wise it’s great for proton suv vs price factor. However how reliable is the Geely 1.8 turbo engine since it is their in-house development engine.