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 PFA Player of The Year, Who should win it and why

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TSbefitozi
post Apr 27 2007, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 27 2007, 06:01 PM)

I actually did praise Bouazza in a previous post. What's wrong with performing well in  a crap team. Should players from only the top sides be nominated then?
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from top sides in the league DEFINATELY... because winning sides have to produce top PERFORMANCE week in week out. And its coz of this, other ppl will notice them more.
Lets say , u put in a good performance consistenly , but ur team is relegated .... nobody will notice you.
Unless , like i said earlier , ur performance is OUSTANDING ... for example u score over 30 league goals but your team still relegated.. then you'llbe noticed .. example for this is Andy Johnson during his time at Crystal Palace

During the 2000-2001 season. 5 Players from Ipswich Town made it into PFA team of the year. Why ? dont you think it requires amazing performance for a newly promoted team to finish 4th ??.

My point is .... your teams performance and END result matters alot in this things ....


if u see fulham suddenly rampaging through the EPL next year ... do expect a full load of their players being selected.
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 27 2007, 06:45 PM)
from top sides in the league DEFINATELY... because winning sides have to produce top PERFORMANCE week in week out. And its coz of this, other ppl will notice them more.
Lets say , u put in a good performance consistenly , but ur team is relegated .... nobody will notice you.
Unless , like i said earlier , ur performance is OUSTANDING ... for example u score over 30 league goals but your team still relegated.. then you'llbe noticed .. example for this is Andy Johnson during his time at Crystal Palace

During the 2000-2001 season. 5 Players from Ipswich Town made it into PFA team of the year. Why ? dont you think it requires amazing performance for a newly promoted team to finish 4th ??.

My point is .... your teams performance and END result matters alot in this things ....
if u see fulham suddenly rampaging through the EPL next year ... do expect a full load of their players being selected.
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Why don't we put it this way? Ignorant instead of unnoticable.
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post Apr 28 2007, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 27 2007, 06:45 PM)
from top sides in the league DEFINATELY... because winning sides have to produce top PERFORMANCE week in week out. And its coz of this, other ppl will notice them more.
Lets say , u put in a good performance consistenly , but ur team is relegated .... nobody will notice you.
Unless , like i said earlier , ur performance is OUSTANDING ... for example u score over 30 league goals but your team still relegated.. then you'llbe noticed .. example for this is Andy Johnson during his time at Crystal Palace

During the 2000-2001 season. 5 Players from Ipswich Town made it into PFA team of the year. Why ? dont you think it requires amazing performance for a newly promoted team to finish 4th ??.

My point is .... your teams performance and END result matters alot in this things ....
if u see fulham suddenly rampaging through the EPL next year ... do expect a full load of their players being selected.
Points to note:

1) It's easier to look good when you are supported by good players or playing in a good team. It's more difficult for example to score 30 in a season when you are supported by mediocre players. Half of Andy Johnson's goals were bloody penalties anyway.

2) You said, "if your team were relegated, no one would notice you". So the votes are biased then.


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post Apr 28 2007, 11:13 AM

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why should a player from relegated team be in the team of the year

if he is that good , shouldnt his team not be relegated ....

if ronaldo were to paly in malaysia and scores 100 goals in 50 games , that wouldnt win him FIFA Player of the Year
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Why shouldn't a player from a relegated team be in the team of the year? If the individual is good but the team is shit...tell me why not?
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post Apr 28 2007, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 28 2007, 11:13 AM)
why should a player from relegated team be in the team of the year

if he is that good , shouldnt his team not be relegated ....

if ronaldo were to paly in malaysia and scores 100 goals in 50 games , that wouldnt win him FIFA Player of the Year
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Huh??? Football is a team sport, it's not about individuals. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink was top scorer in Spain for Atletico Madrid and this team were still relegated. So he should not be awarded the Golden Boot then because his efforts were not good enough to save his club from relegation?

Gerard Houllier acquired Stephen Henchoz from Blackburn the year after they were relegated, and he and Sami Hyypia ensured Liverpool had the meanest defence in the league at the time.

Please explain to me why a good player in a poor team doesn't deserve to be nominated. Isn't that discrimination?
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definitely I choose Gerrad...support liverpool forever..

Although Ronaldo plays well, but i still prefer Gerrad lol..hehe..
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 28 2007, 11:04 AM)
Points to note:

1) It's easier to look good when you are supported by good players or playing in a good team. It's more difficult for example to score 30 in a season when you are supported by mediocre players. Half of Andy Johnson's goals were bloody penalties anyway.

2) You said, "if your team were relegated, no one would notice you". So the votes are biased then.
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owh u think taking penalty is so easy?
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what's so hard bout taking a penalty???it's like normal shooting practice...if you are aiming for the far corner like gilberto, i can't see a reason why a footballer can miss so many penalties...
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Apr 27 2007, 11:29 AM)
Your position is also based on your team's ability to play attacking football, which make your defenders' job easier. Our attacking ability however was weak but not our defence, find a team with Liverpool's calibre conceeding so few goals. Some people actually said that our keeper isn't good and our defenders are doing all the dirty jobs, which I strongly disagree, however that proved that our defenders aren't doing nothing.

Based on the match between Liverpool and Man Utd at Anfield, if it wasn't for our lack of finishing ability and your Dutch keeper, we would've scored and won. We made your defenders look vulnerable. When lady luck is on your side, it plays a big role too. The same goes to the game between Roma and you lots, had tonnes of chances but lack of the killer touch.

Carra has been wonderful this season with his influence at the back four as well as his ability to give instructions. His workrate is class as well as his playing spirit. You guys quickly forget how well he did this season against Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea. Without him, where will Liverpool be this season? Agger is considerably a fresh face without much experience and the much experienced Hyypia is now relegated to the bench. As for Vidic, Rio is a much experienced defender who plays for England all the time, Vidic isn't inexperience either, Rafa wanted him before signing Daniel Agger.

What happen to Matthew Taylor anyway? Berbatov? and also Agger for the PFA young player of the year? Duke, Kevin Doyle is among the PFA young player of the year's nomination.
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oh yeah? n when mu vs liv at OT
we really make ur defenders look nothing
even ferdinand score a world class goal laugh.gif laugh.gif


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he score more, he assists more
he plays wide, he do the defensive job

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QUOTE(ricky_cassidy @ May 15 2007, 11:23 AM)
what's so hard bout taking a penalty???it's like normal shooting practice...if you are aiming for the far corner like gilberto, i can't see a reason why a footballer can miss so many penalties...
While I agree it takes a lot of bottle, but it's just a matter of picking a spot and going for it, and seeing if the keepers guesses right. It's much easier to score a penalty than a goal from open play where there are defenders in front of the keeper. If MADReaLJL is suggesting that it's easier to score 30 goals from open play as it is from the penalty spot, then I'd have to disagree.

QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ May 15 2007, 11:24 AM)
oh yeah? n when mu vs liv at OT
we really make ur defenders look nothing
even ferdinand score a world class goal laugh.gif laugh.gif
You're right mate, your players are world class and ours are shite.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2007, 12:26 PM)
While I agree it takes a lot of bottle, but it's just a matter of picking a spot and going for it, and seeing if the keepers guesses right. It's much easier to score a penalty than a goal from open play where there are defenders in front of the keeper. If MADReaLJL is suggesting that it's easier to score 30 goals from open play as it is from the penalty spot, then I'd have to disagree.
You're right mate, your players are world class and ours are shite.
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Our players are worst then shite i tell ya! Carragher good at stopping car-jackers only not world class players tongue.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(JonC @ May 15 2007, 12:38 PM)
Our players are worst then shite i tell ya! Carragher good at stopping car-jackers only not world class players tongue.gif  brows.gif
Exactly, him and Agger even had the gall to concede 27 bloody goals in the Premiership, the cunts. It's no wonder they weren't mentioned in the Premiership Team of the Year. Reina's bloody useless as well, only 55 clean sheets in 100 games??? Sell him I say whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2007, 12:26 PM)
While I agree it takes a lot of bottle, but it's just a matter of picking a spot and going for it, and seeing if the keepers guesses right. It's much easier to score a penalty than a goal from open play where there are defenders in front of the keeper. If MADReaLJL is suggesting that it's easier to score 30 goals from open play as it is from the penalty spot, then I'd have to disagree.
You're right mate, your players are world class and ours are shite.
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wow, u admit it urself laugh.gif
i cant do anything
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ May 15 2007, 03:26 PM)
wow, u admit it urself laugh.gif
i cant do anything
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Yeah what to do? Reality bites. Wish our players were more like yours.
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QUOTE(ricky_cassidy @ May 15 2007, 11:23 AM)
what's so hard bout taking a penalty???it's like normal shooting practice...if you are aiming for the far corner like gilberto, i can't see a reason why a footballer can miss so many penalties...
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try taking a penalty infront of 50000 fans who expect you to score.


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QUOTE(JonC @ May 15 2007, 12:38 PM)
Our players are worst then shite i tell ya! Carragher good at stopping car-jackers only not world class players tongue.gif  brows.gif
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Haha..That's true. rclxms.gif
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post May 15 2007, 08:13 PM

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Softly come out the quality of a world class goal by Rio you're having here.

Liverpool's defenders are sloppy and cast the mistakes quite frequent but our GK did the great job. I can't hardly remember when is our defenders miskick and cost the opponent goals up while i am seeing your so-called world class goal taker hitting the backpass well into the own net.

That's world class OWN goal. You never mention.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ May 15 2007, 08:13 PM)
Softly come out the quality of a world class goal by Rio you're having here.

Liverpool's defenders are sloppy and cast the mistakes quite frequent but our GK did the great job. I can't hardly remember when is our defenders miskick and cost the opponent goals up while i am seeing your so-called world class goal taker hitting the backpass well into the own net.

That's world class OWN goal. You never mention.
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yeah, it is. from the world class defender. very nice!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ May 15 2007, 09:27 PM)
yeah, it is. from the world class defender. very nice!! laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Yet the world class defender escape drug test with weekly wages banking in. How cool after 29M shouting inside out the world class pocket. cool2.gif



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