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RGRaj
post Oct 16 2017, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(oghe kito @ Oct 16 2017, 06:56 PM)
The Christian context of using Allah is not the same as the Muslim's context of using it. For Christians they just use it as a title for God as used by Arab Christians for hundreds of years and also by the East Malaysians even before the formation of Malaysia.  It is not used by ALL Christians in Malaysia but just those from the  East Malaysia who are Malay speaking or those who use BM exclusively like the Orang Asli. The reason Malay speaking Christians use Allah just as a title and not as a personal name for God because the God of the Bible already has a personal name - Yahweh. That is His name forever as is written in Exodus 3:15 which means the great I AM. That is His personal name. This Yahweh has NOTHING to do with the Allah of the Koran. Allah is not a title but the personal name of the god of the Koran which incidentally pre-existed Islam. There are too many theological differences between the God of the Bible and the god of the Koran. For starters the God of the Bible loves the Jews and the nation of Israel but the god of the Koran does not. The God of the Bible has a Son and the god of the Koran does not. The God of the Bible is a Father to the nation of Israel and to all people in general but the god of the Koran is a father to none. The highest relationship between a Muslim and Allah is that of a Master - Slave.

Christians know that when they call their God in the BM language they are only referring to the God of the Bible only and NEVER to the Allah of the Koran. They only use the word as a title and not as a personal name.
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That being said, shudn't d east malaysian christians stay true, and call upon God in His true name?

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post Oct 16 2017, 08:16 PM

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Means they Dont know LA
But want to save face say it's secret LA coz they themselves also don't know
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post Oct 16 2017, 08:20 PM

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Wow rahsia! Suspens betul

Lucky the Vikings never met these local Mullahs.
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post Oct 16 2017, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Oct 16 2017, 08:14 PM)
That being said, shudn't d east malaysian christians stay true, and call upon God in His true name?
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Who are we to tell others what to do with their religion ? You trying to be a hypocrite now??
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post Oct 16 2017, 08:37 PM

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Fuyoh, now Allah has become secret. Aiyo, if so secret, then how to spread the good words leh. Might as well keep it under the bed.

This post has been edited by allanlee89: Oct 16 2017, 08:38 PM
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post Oct 16 2017, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(oghe kito @ Oct 16 2017, 08:45 PM)
Some of the best explanations are given by the Muslim Imam himself here on why Allah usage cannot be restricted to the Muslims alone. Wish I can post the video here but unsuccessful each time. Hope someone could help post it.

https://youtu.be/SOv_Q12qgRM


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post Oct 16 2017, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(fhatz @ Oct 16 2017, 04:14 PM)
Brother, relax maybe i was wrong but I think Im not saying Christian want to claim Allah as their God

but i said something like, claim a "Allah" word to be use or referring or replacing God/Tuhan in daily use or in translated bible ... it was raised by Christianity in Malaysia, am I correct?

so i just questioning why others dont want to claim Allah word as daily use or holy book like an example Allah Murugan(Lord or Dewa Murugan that Hindu will celebrate Deepavali this Wednesday) ?

yes you are right because as per Islam Jesus(that referring to Prophet Isa in Islam) was a prophet Allah, where Prophet Isa received a Holy Book Injil(Gospel) from Allah as continuation of Holy Book Taurat(Torah) that was received by Prophet Musa(Moses) earlier ... the continuation and the complete Holy Book (Al-Quran) received by Prophet Muhammad where complete Islam was teach or spread during that time and there is no versioning and translation...
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that one is due to the translation done by Melchior Leijdecker; some say it was an inaccurate translation, but it stuck nonetheless *shrug*
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post Oct 16 2017, 09:51 PM

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All I know that "Allah" is very exclusive. Period.
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post Oct 16 2017, 09:53 PM

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I thought Arab themselves oppose of exclusive use of A? blink.gif Like wtf?
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post Oct 17 2017, 06:47 AM

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QUOTE(oghe kito @ Oct 16 2017, 08:45 PM)
Some of the best explanations are given by the Muslim Imam himself here on why Allah usage cannot be restricted to the Muslims alone. Wish I can post the video here but unsuccessful each time. Hope someone could help post it.

https://youtu.be/SOv_Q12qgRM


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You really should find someone else to make your point other than a convicted fraudster - http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/lo..._benefit_fraud/

Besides, someone who claims his guru is the Messiah whose face you can see on the Moon, isn't someone most Muslims would take seriously.

Try harder. I'm sure there are better references than this out there.

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ikram_p
post Oct 17 2017, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(oik66 @ Oct 17 2017, 06:47 AM)
You really should find someone else to make your point other than a convicted fraudster - http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/lo..._benefit_fraud/

Besides, someone who claims his guru is the Messiah whose face you can see on the Moon, isn't someone most Muslims would take seriously.

Try harder. I'm sure there are better references than this out there.
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https://youtu.be/L9j6V6Ih_Fs
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post Oct 17 2017, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(ikram_p @ Oct 17 2017, 07:19 AM)
https://youtu.be/L9j6V6Ih_Fs
Try this if you put the hate aside
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I don't think that helps your case much, tbh.
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post Oct 17 2017, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(sharpex @ Oct 16 2017, 05:30 PM)
why u use english name when u got chinese name at your identity card?

why? mau elak konpius?
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i have english name from the start instead of chinese name.
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post Oct 17 2017, 08:15 AM

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well.. thats 1 way to say "we dont hav any real reason, we just dont want u to use it"
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post Oct 17 2017, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(tentenko @ Oct 16 2017, 02:20 PM)
Allah literally means The God. god in arabic is illah and is a common noun. so they added Al which means the. so, Al-illah = The God, becomes a proper noun.

God in Aramaic is Elaha..

but in merehsia case, mayb got ppl mudah confuse n its in our culture, so better dont use la..
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I'm pretty sure the word Allah is a Malay trademark word (according to them). That's why even Arabs are laughing at us.
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post Oct 17 2017, 08:26 AM

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post Oct 17 2017, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(ikram_p @ Oct 17 2017, 07:19 AM)
https://youtu.be/L9j6V6Ih_Fs
Try this if you put the hate aside
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Stupid fella. He cannot differentiate between Hebrew and Aramaic.

Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani is ARAMAIC, not Hebrew
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post Oct 17 2017, 09:11 AM

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The word Allah already opposite 1+1+1

Let alone to have a case in court
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post Oct 17 2017, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(fhatz @ Oct 16 2017, 03:13 PM)
another thing is why no Buddhist / Singh / Hindu / etc not claim to use word Allah as their God also only Christian? 

Allah Gautama(Lord Gautama)? Allah Murugan(Dewa or Lord Murugan)?

is not about confused or multi racial or etc but many things need to be consider .....
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Gautama Buddha is not a god for Buddha, in fact in Buddhism there is no god.

Gautama Buddha is a guide/teacher to Buddhist.

And I have actually met Indonesians Christians that use Allah as referring to their god, no f given.
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post Oct 17 2017, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(revolusi @ Oct 17 2017, 09:10 AM)
You need to visit Sabah, plenty of malay language churches there
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Also in Soviet Sarawak


Kesian west Malaysia

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