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unknown warrior
post Oct 16 2017, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 16 2017, 03:54 PM)
Allah is just Arabic word for God and has been used by even by Christian before Islam.  Elohim, the God word for Hebrew is also related to Arabic word Allah.
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I think the problem with the moslem's argument is that they believe Islam is the final revelation of God and hence because of that, it precede Christianity and Judaism in timeline history. So they think in that mindset Islam came first. We are the one trying to claim according to their view.

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"Allah" ini milik siapa?
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:02 PM

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I can't wait for a change of govt and declassify those OSA, give us a big laugh at their reason.

Kerbau manipulated minister to buy condo, kerbau show extreme intelligence, but in the end kerbau dikorbankan sebagai scapegoat, tapi scapegoat itu kambing bukan kerbau, konpius suda, kasi OSA saja.
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Oct 16 2017, 03:57 PM)
"Allah" ini milik siapa?
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Milik OSA official secrets act
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post Oct 16 2017, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 16 2017, 03:33 PM)
???Since when Christian want to claim Allah as our God?

Christianity came first in timeline history. Islam came later.
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Brother, relax maybe i was wrong but I think Im not saying Christian want to claim Allah as their God

but i said something like, claim a "Allah" word to be use or referring or replacing God/Tuhan in daily use or in translated bible ... it was raised by Christianity in Malaysia, am I correct?

so i just questioning why others dont want to claim Allah word as daily use or holy book like an example Allah Murugan(Lord or Dewa Murugan that Hindu will celebrate Deepavali this Wednesday) ?

yes you are right because as per Islam Jesus(that referring to Prophet Isa in Islam) was a prophet Allah, where Prophet Isa received a Holy Book Injil(Gospel) from Allah as continuation of Holy Book Taurat(Torah) that was received by Prophet Musa(Moses) earlier ... the continuation and the complete Holy Book (Al-Quran) received by Prophet Muhammad where complete Islam was teach or spread during that time and there is no versioning and translation...
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post Oct 16 2017, 05:13 PM

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Back in the 80s, there was a big hoo-ha about Malays being converted to Christianity in large numbers using a tactic called contextualisation. The evangelist would gain the trust of his targets by mimicking Islamic practices and using Islamic phrases. People like Mat Sabu, Yusof Rawa and Khalid Samad we're claiming that tens of thousands of Malays had been converted.

The government at the time kinda swept the whole thing under the carpet by saying it was an isolated incident blaming everything on one person called Philip Cheong who had converted a few Malays this way, and PAS for blowing it out of proportion. But many states still introduced the ban anyway, which on the face of it seems a bit over the top if it was only a few people.

It's all there in the Ops Lalang white paper if you care to read it.
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post Oct 16 2017, 05:16 PM

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I dun hear christians in America saying Allah also?
Why here must be special?


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post Oct 16 2017, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(jologolo @ Oct 16 2017, 04:08 PM)
fucker mia gomen apa lanciao also put under OSA

win liao lor
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QUOTE(RicoT @ Oct 16 2017, 04:02 PM)
I can't wait for a change of govt and declassify those OSA, give us a big laugh at their reason.

Kerbau manipulated minister to buy condo, kerbau show extreme intelligence, but in the end kerbau dikorbankan sebagai scapegoat, tapi scapegoat itu kambing bukan kerbau, konpius suda, kasi OSA saja.
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Lol... this cuntry.
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post Oct 16 2017, 05:22 PM

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plotek religion has reached osa level
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post Oct 16 2017, 05:25 PM

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In year 2050, Earth Prince students can withdraw money from banks by writing plotek on a piece of paper and students can wing any exam questions with a simple word plotek (answer P)

They r cultivating the culture here
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post Oct 16 2017, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(dewill @ Oct 16 2017, 02:13 PM)
now i realise i cant use english name while i am chinese. american and european will confuse
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why u use english name when u got chinese name at your identity card?

why? mau elak konpius?
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(oik66 @ Oct 16 2017, 05:13 PM)
Back in the 80s, there was a big hoo-ha about Malays being converted to Christianity in large numbers using a tactic called contextualisation. The evangelist would gain the trust of his targets by mimicking Islamic practices and using Islamic phrases. People like Mat Sabu, Yusof Rawa and Khalid Samad we're claiming that tens of thousands of Malays had been converted.

The government at the time kinda swept the whole thing under the carpet by saying it was an isolated incident blaming everything on one person called Philip Cheong who had converted a few Malays this way, and PAS for blowing it out of proportion. But many states still introduced the ban anyway, which on the face of it seems a bit over the top if it was only a few people.

It's all there in the Ops Lalang white paper if you care to read it.
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 16 2017, 05:25 PM)
In year 2050, Earth Prince students can withdraw money from banks by writing plotek on a piece of paper and students can wing any exam questions with a simple word plotek (answer P)

They r cultivating the culture here
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post Oct 16 2017, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(oghe kito @ Oct 16 2017, 06:56 PM)
The Christian context of using Allah is not the same as the Muslim's context of using it. For Christians they just use it as a title for God as used by Arab Christians for hundreds of years and also by the East Malaysians even before the formation of Malaysia.  It is not used by ALL Christians in Malaysia but just those from the  East Malaysia who are Malay speaking or those who use BM exclusively like the Orang Asli. The reason Malay speaking Christians use Allah just as a title and not as a personal name for God because the God of the Bible already has a personal name - Yahweh. That is His name forever as is written in Exodus 3:15 which means the great I AM. That is His personal name. This Yahweh has NOTHING to do with the Allah of the Koran. Allah is not a title but the personal name of the god of the Koran which incidentally pre-existed Islam. There are too many theological differences between the God of the Bible and the god of the Koran. For starters the God of the Bible loves the Jews and the nation of Israel but the god of the Koran does not. The God of the Bible has a Son and the god of the Koran does not. The God of the Bible is a Father to the nation of Israel and to all people in general but the god of the Koran is a father to none. The highest relationship between a Muslim and Allah is that of a Master - Slave.

Christians know that when they call their God in the BM language they are only referring to the God of the Bible only and NEVER to the Allah of the Koran. They only use the word as a title and not as a personal name.
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Type so long Oso no one read de la. The locals will continue to use that word in their mass.
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post Oct 16 2017, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(oghe kito @ Oct 16 2017, 06:59 PM)
Lolz your right. Just my 2 cents.  biggrin.gif
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Ppl who usually use that are mostly simple kampung folks. You think they give a FARK about what those religious bigot thinks? They can't be bothered.
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Allah. OSA ? LOL.

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