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icemanfx
post Aug 29 2019, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Aug 29 2019, 06:29 PM)
Maybank sees another 25 bps OPR cut before year end.

BNM meetings this year on Sept 12 and Nov 5.

So 99% BNM is going to cut another 0.25% on Sept 12.

Faster place your bet while price still low.
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Bet could goes either way. Opr cut mean outlook is negative. Believe collateral damage from u.s-trade war could overwhelmed any loan interest payment.

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post Aug 31 2019, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Aug 31 2019, 06:03 PM)
He is going to be shafted kaw kaw. Auctioneers fees, valuer and most killing is the lawyers fees. Banks have no mercy - trust me. I bought an auction unit and accidentally got to view the banks solicitors fees- I fell of my chair. Poor borrower left with so little money.

It is high time that the solicitors remuneration order with regards to conveyancing fees is abolished. It should be a free and competitive market. Conveyancing is generally a clerks or technicians job. The fee scale in malaysia is exorbitant. It shouldn’t be tied to the value of the property.
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In foreclosure proceeding, bank get to recover legal fees from borrower, they don't bother to control. It is lawyer that is taking advantages.

Most novice and wannabe have no idea what will incur at foreclosure proceeding, trying to push their luck to sell at market value until very last moment instead of cut losses.

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post Sep 2 2019, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 2 2019, 03:20 PM)
He is not newbies, he has a lot of properties by 35 year old
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If his other properties are still on bank loan could cause a cross default.
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post Sep 12 2019, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 12 2019, 01:38 AM)
The second floor is occupied by wholesale clothes company. Only his unit not tenanted out at all before. Maybe he just let it go and want to forget this nightmare purchase. Be it sold at how low price in the lelong market.
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If 2nd floor is tenanted likely mean the first floor owner was adamant on rental amount.

If the bank is to recover shortfall from him, his nightmare is just started.

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post Sep 12 2019, 04:52 AM

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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Sep 12 2019, 02:35 AM)
he didnt manage well maybe , or put effort on it .

total damage RM187k (past 6 yrs installment)
and RM650k - RM453k = RM167k
total RM354k damage

pain
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Plus legal fees, penalty interest, auction fees, etc.

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post Sep 12 2019, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 11 2019, 11:07 PM)
Yes. House kena lelong but still can live larvishly some more. Now no house to stay.


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Largely due to peers pressure, many are living beyond their means.

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post Sep 22 2019, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(ahkit123 @ Sep 22 2019, 08:57 PM)
Auction market really heating up nowadays.... Value buy for properties hunter
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Believe this is only the beginning, more are expected next year or two.

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post Sep 22 2019, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Sep 22 2019, 09:05 PM)
The news said more n more coming for those above 500k..
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Believe subsale overhang > 3 times of primary/developers overhang.

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post Oct 8 2019, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Nama saya Amad @ Oct 8 2019, 07:04 AM)
Wow i cant brain these people goreng low cost housing. Morality goes down to the drain
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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Oct 8 2019, 09:10 AM)
Yes mate. My bad.

Not necessarily poor but the needy.

Very unfair.

I wonder how the guy can be so happy making money by depriving the truly needy.
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What's goes around comes around.
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post Oct 9 2019, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 9 2019, 06:14 AM)
In any entry price, there will be needy ppl

Low cost
Mid low cost
Mid cost
Mid high cost
High cost

So where do you draw the line???

89k is not low cost. Even when they sell, it is free market. So why cant buy and resale?

Also of the two ads, one was on lelong. Do you think the needy will enter lelong market to buy????

The needy just waiting for gov to give them free housing or rent for life.

If you uphold yr moral ground and dont buy, the next person will.
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Whether one should flip low cost home is ethically like renting to p.h. or Airbnb in residential. many find it unacceptable but some find it acceptable.

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post Nov 21 2019, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Nov 20 2019, 07:51 PM)
AUCTION PROPERTIES -WHAT YOU REALLY MUST KNOW
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WHY DOES A PROPERTY GOES FOR AUCTION AND HOW DOES IT WORK
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- When owner fails to service its loan and the loan becomes NPL.
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- the reserve prices drops 10% everytime the property is auctioned but no takers.
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- we bought 9 units from auctions to date so we are not a season player and relatively a noob. So this is our personal perspective .
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GRADING RELATED TO AUCTION PROPERTY
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- grade A properties has got very limited auctions
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- grade E properties with speculators tends to see few auctions every year
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- this is why banks are interested in our property grading
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AT WHAT POINT BUYING FROM AUCTION MAKES SENSE
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- we only enter auction today if we can buy at 50% below current property value
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- our purchase of all 9 units was at 70% below property’s intrinsic value. We bought commercial units in Damansara nearby MRT for less than RM100psf.
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WHAT MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT AUCTION
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CASH HEAVY - its really cash heavy. You can buy property from primary or subsales zero down but you cant do it with auction.( for now ). You need to standby lots of cash for:
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1. shortfall in valuation or top up
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2. maintenance fee, assessment fees, and taxes. Some banks cover this but you might be required to use your own cash first.

3. since you cant see the unit, you have no idea if the unit’s condition is okay and its a gamble. You might have to spend 5-figure to 6 figure for repairs.
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VALUE CAN DROP FURTHER - just because its 30% below market value today, it doesnt mean the value cant drop somemore. What is 30% below market value today might be just market value 2 years later as values continues to drop
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FINANCING - Some banks wont finance a property on subsales when there are too many units that goes for auctions and high NPLs, causing further drop in valuation
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VP - if the property is occupied, To get rid of existing occupants, can be very dramatic and taxing.
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- SPECULATORS - when theres alot of units going for auction in that development, it doesnt mean that the whole development is bad. Is just that the development has too many speculators who do not understand what they bought, and doesnt have the required holding power.
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OWN STAY - The higher number of own stayers, the lesser units that will go for auction.
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RENTAL VALUES - And the higher rental values are, the less likely you’ll see units avai for auction. ( less than 1% normally ) look at TS, Summer Suites small units, Vipod etc. This is where our Propery Grading helps greatly.
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AGENTS - Auction agents makes money from the following :
- service fee ( discretionary). Can be on success or per case.
- banks and auctioneers pay them commissions for every successful bid
- And they are the only agents who gets rewarded when their clients FAIL to buy property as they get “kawtim” money. Its not uncommon that they take kawtim money from the sold bidder in order to prevent price war.
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SUMMARY
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- Auction price isnt market value, and its usually represents a discount Vs subsale. Cant see, dont know damages, cant buy zero down and if you dont buy at 20% disc Vs subsales, you are not getting yourself a good deal. So if I were to give a guide using this example of Vista Alam :

- If actual/real subsales value for Vista Alam is RM400psf, then the auction price i would enter should be about RM320psf or at 20% discount since I need to standby budget for repairs and I have no idea how my unit is gonna look like.

- I will standby at least 20% of the reserve price as capital for downpayment and repair, so about RM80k- RM100k capital will be needed. 40k downpayment, 20k repairs and about 20k-40k to furnished the place. This is a cash heavy play. The 10% alone isnt sufficient.

The same 100k capital, can be used to buy 2-8 properties that can also give me positive cashflow and at least 10%-30% below market values. Over 10-20 years, these 8 properties will be worth a loooooooot more than the 1 property bought under auction. So that why today, i focus buying more from primary market compared to auction unless i can buy the auction property at 50%-70% discount.
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P/s : Do you know whats the best type of property you can buy from auction today? If many of you wants to know, i’ll share soon here else i’ll share in our private class je😀
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Classic snake oil seller; head i win, tail you loss; load of contradiction. basically is to promote private class.

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post Nov 23 2019, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Nov 23 2019, 10:42 PM)
Market bottom up.
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More like dead cat bound.

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post Dec 4 2019, 03:20 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 4 2019, 01:19 AM)

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Expect foreclosure/auction to rise until overhang is reduced.
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post Dec 7 2019, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(ahkit123 @ Dec 7 2019, 05:15 PM)
2020 is lelong year... Prepare ur bullets
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Number of foreclosure is lagging behind overhang and lelong could be a year or two behind foreclosure. Hence, 2020 is unlikely the peak of Leong.

Given demographic changes, unless one intend to occupy, believe there are better investment opportunity elsewhere.

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post Dec 25 2019, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(W.ROOK @ Dec 25 2019, 01:00 PM)
Arte+ - KL
Savanna - Some ulu
Hili Park - Shah Alam
Mutiara Ville - Cyberjaya
Vista Alam - Shah Alam
Third Avenue - Cyber Jaya
M City - KL
BSP21 - Some ulu
Verdi - Cyberjaya
Tamarind - Cyberjaya
Element - KL
Sutera Pines - Kajang
O2 - Puchong

What do we learn from here? brows.gif

Surprisingly KLTS is not in the top 10 list.
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It doesn't need that many units to make it to top 10 auction list and to suppress subsale.
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post Jan 16 2020, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jan 16 2020, 06:18 PM)
Flipping lelong property in penang
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Property is a zero sum game, one's gain is another losses and vs. more money could be made when the majority are in distress.

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post Mar 21 2020, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(tometoto @ Mar 21 2020, 07:25 PM)
During covid and economi down. Ball from 1200. Will more property going to Lelong
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typical small time mosquito investor has at least 8 units property, 6 months loan moratorium mean >=48 months free and surplus cash flow. Do you know with this amount of free and surplus cash could hood how many samsui unit or not?

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post Mar 22 2020, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(tometoto @ Mar 22 2020, 10:00 AM)
It will not able to recover within 6 months. Bskl also will take 1 year to recover
It time to buy cheap counter at bskl
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There is no guarantee bskl won't drop more. uuu/bbb says property price still maintain, didn't drop like bskl, is safer if not the safest investment.

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post Mar 30 2020, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(qintian @ Mar 30 2020, 10:49 AM)
second this.. should have more lelong listing coming up.. especially at this period
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Loan moratorium will delay most stressed borrowers becoming doubtful or non performing. Hence, Leong list will only rise next year.
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post Jun 1 2020, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 29 2020, 03:54 PM)
Why the bank cannot run the auction by themself?
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Auction house is outsourced third party and pay by borrower. why bank want to bare the cost and lawsuit from borrower?

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