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icemanfx
post Jun 4 2020, 08:37 PM

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https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1691946/bra...ng-under-hammer


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post Aug 15 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 14 2020, 09:46 PM)
Why this guy needs to specifically mentioned that he was against 10 Chinese auction agents? I would imagine if a Chinese who wrote that he was against 10 malay auction agents, he will be immediately labelled as racist.
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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 14 2020, 11:24 PM)
Winning fair and square against 10 other bidders is respectable regardless the races... Does he means win against chinese is more satisfying than own race?
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bid to win in auction is largely kiasu attitude, is not rational for investment, likely to overburden with overpriced units.

icemanfx
post Oct 23 2020, 12:19 PM

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Unit No. E1A-17-1, The Tamarind @ Sentul East, No. 2, Jalan Sentul Indah, Sentul, 51100, Kuala Lumpur
Reserve Price RM486,000.00 (Approx. RM‌361 per sq.ft)

https://www.ngchanmau.com/property/39864

https://www.iproperty.com.my/sale/condomini...=The%20Tamarind

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post Jul 12 2021, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Jul 12 2021, 08:58 AM)
Nothing wrong in marketing.

But should not mislead.

Very often the agents will claim or mislead the buyer into believing the original sale price as the current market value.

The they will Mis-advertise the property has xx% below “market value” and that the buyer will profit by xx%.

This to me is cheating. Dishonest way of doing business.

Usually the property will be auctioned off very close to market price but way below original S&P price. That’s because a lot of properties were sold at inflated prices to begin with.

One can call it whatever one wants and try to justify but to me it’s being place dishonest.
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Normally, first round of reserve/auction price is valuation price.

novice is not advised to participate in auction sale; they are likely mislead by s.a, bid with emotion and under estimate cost and hassle will incur.

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post Jul 30 2021, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 30 2021, 09:27 AM)
Then is unfair to loan defaulter. He will also incurred additional interest. Not sure the bank is generous to waived.

Right and Left hand also charge interest .... winner for sure.
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After borrower is defaulted, ze is obliged to bare all costs and expenses incurred, which is spelled out in the loan agreement.

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post Jul 30 2021, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 30 2021, 12:15 PM)
That is without a doubt.

If the bank forfeit the 10% without extension, whose account the money will go to ?
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Additional cost will incur on re-auction, penalty interest, legal fees, etc, and likely to cost most if not all of the 10% forfeited. borrower can't expect to benefit any.

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post Aug 3 2021, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 3 2021, 08:23 AM)
Has anyone studied the impact when there are large amounts of auctions in a development?

Ie. Creating unequal playing field for the investors which thus leads to more abandonment of the property which leads back to more auctions.
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Poorperly investment has never been a equal playing field. leverage may lower the barrier of entry but carry heighten risks which poorperly guru and those vested conveniently omitted to mention.

most if not all valuers do consider recent auction price in their valuation. lower valuation and ltv will reduce number of loan dispersed/transacted. stressed vendors that holding on to whim and fancy price may become default and subsequently lead to more auction later.

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post Aug 3 2021, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 3 2021, 12:56 PM)
Sad. How to be a first world country when you can’t even protect consumer interests.

It occurred to me that the public on the losing end are genuine homebuyers or aspirational youth who may not be as well informed.
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First world country? not in this generation.

Consumers protection? during bull run, bbb/uuu cursed those different in opinion.

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post Sep 3 2021, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(OrdernPay @ Sep 3 2021, 04:41 PM)
today my fb spam with all these ad

WHAT THE F---?!!  Arte Mont Kiara..
Bid from RM 640k to RM 1.14 mil…
All agent know what is happening, we looking forward for the unit to re-auction again in future…

what does it means by "All agent know what is happening" ??
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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Sep 3 2021, 05:27 PM)
Maybe developer bid to push up the market price?
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those in the market long enough know this is not a new trick.

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post Oct 31 2021, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Oct 31 2021, 01:14 PM)
It's not subsale now competitive but too many amateur in auction property

The experience ones will only bid for properties that are at least 20% below subsale, but nowadays many inexperience people only look at SPA price and sometimes even bid with emotions.
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These novice bidders will likely suffer losses like novice flippers.
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post Nov 4 2022, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 2 2022, 12:42 PM)
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Is it true? ohmy.gif free to stay at subsidised property.
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If is true, unless authority could guarantee buy back from bank, few bank will offer loan.
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post Nov 10 2022, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 10 2022, 08:28 AM)
Yeah, the value start should be from below current market. But before a unit going into auction, bank will assign valuer to check the property value first right? Haha at here we can see actually the bank want to help defaultor as well. But of course the bidder will not in at first round. And wait it drop 20 to 30% or even 50%.

I agree the amount we can enter the bid logically should based on the current rental. So I just curious for any investor planning to playing flip game that only see the different price. 30% bmv are referring based on current market value or the bank value. Let said 1st round auction is bank value 850k.

Because I for example current viral m vertical bumi lelong, it start with net price from developer (predicted). I know its new, yet have market value like old sub sale property, but 1st round auction based on bank value is not unrealistic.
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Nov 10 2022, 08:42 AM)
Well the newly vp properties that go into auction right away are as good a deal as any still with developer warranty. The only question was how severely overpriced it was on the SPA and how much cash back they gave. I think there were cases where buyers were very happy with 20% below SPA when in reality there was a 30% cash back. Many games to screw your ignorant buyer indeed.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 10 2022, 10:15 AM)
If every investors are well informed, then property invesment aint interesting. Is not that everyone trying to 'cheat' another, but risk is in every investments and greed also goes together.
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New launch poorperly price is among the most opaque in investible assets, spa price is set by developers whim and fancy.
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post Dec 13 2022, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 13 2022, 04:34 PM)

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At 250 psf is basically paid for land price; with 18k sf, one could demolish and rebuild condo of >50m gdv.

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post Dec 24 2022, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 12:45 PM)
Not always true.

Some are new bidders just entered the market and would want to buy it no matter the price as long cheaper than subsale.

As for those previous intended bidders who abstained and subsequent fight and lost or won, they 'deserved' it.

Stupidity has no limit.
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Unlike previously, many novices influenced by poorperly guru are now bidders. Novice tend to bid on emotions, refused to work with syndicate and often overbid.

Many novices also failed to realize auction price need to be significantly cheaper to be worthwhile. Many are paying hefty tuition fees.

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post Dec 24 2022, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 01:53 PM)
Every bidders are novice except you.
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Poorperly auction is not newly invented or discovered, has been around for many decades, is not as easy or straight forward as poorperly guru claimed.
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post Dec 24 2022, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 04:27 PM)
What makes you think all seek advise from gurus ?
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Like last poorperly bull run, many novices did.
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post Dec 24 2022, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 04:34 PM)
Your students ?
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Yes, a student.

QUOTE(1ullaby @ Dec 24 2022, 05:11 PM)
Before iceman reply I already can anticipate the reply 😂
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No matter how much guru spin, facts and reality remains unchanged.

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post Dec 24 2022, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 05:21 PM)
You lousy guru.
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Never a guru.
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post Dec 24 2022, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 05:31 PM)
You can be pessmitic till sunset, but someone out there is gonna make money no matter bull or bear run.
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Money could be made but not as easy as most novices think. Contemporary history shows e.g poorperly, crypto, glove share, etc, most will lose rather than gain. For reasons why only 4% of adults in this country have over USD 100k net worth.

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post Dec 24 2022, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 24 2022, 05:52 PM)
I repeat ...

You can be pessmitic till sunset, but someone out there is gonna make money no matter bull or bear run.
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Statistically, about 2/3 of punters, flippers, traders, etc will eventually loss money, and about 1/4 break even.

Those have less tend to take higher risk for greater reward.

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