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 LYN F1 V15 Season, Continuation from V14 2017

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andrekua2
post Sep 5 2022, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Sep 5 2022, 01:32 AM)
I highly doubt GR can even hold MV at the restart for p2 with that strategy. So much straight line speed the RB has with the tow. Max would be right behind Hamilton on the next lap and overtook him before the DRS was enabled. Such is the pace Max had.

Guess what, the next track is MONZA. Red Bull's track 😂😂
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You'll never know... GR would be much closer to LH because he will get a tow. Given the width of the circuit, it also mean having 2cars would allow you to block Max's path to overtake. They just had to endure 2laps until they start the drs train effect.
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post Sep 5 2022, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 5 2022, 03:35 PM)
Without the vsc, I think MV will still be able to pass the Mercs to win cuz he was on fresher medium tires.
My guess is MV will still able to pass both as he just got another set of new softs. The way he easily overtook LH shows he was way faster so even if GR didn't pit to help create a block and DRS train for LH, I don't think it can hamper MV too much.
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There's only one overtaking place and it's definitely not impossible. Just the determination.

Anyway, Mercedes probably going through a transition period right now and they no longer double down to go for the win anymore. Apparently Mercedes pre race strategy talked about this situation and having both cars on same tyres was what they agreed on. No wonder Lewis is pissed.
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post Sep 5 2022, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Sep 5 2022, 08:09 PM)
I would've like to see this as well, since already took the risk trying to get the win by staying out, why alang-alang didn't risk all the way? dun care lah about P2 or P3, dun care if Ferrari on softs will overtake both LH & GR.

SkySport did manage to interview Toto almost right after the podiums; Toto did admit they took the risk of keeping track position, but when asked why didn't keep GR out also as rear gunner for LH, he only vaguely answered, he defended their call instead by saying ""First of all, Lewis is ahead. So, we're always having a problem with the call," Wolff told Sky Sports when asked about the decision." ; imho, GR persistently asked to pit for softs (from his interview after the race); dunno why Merc pitwall succumbed instead of trying out teamwork defending.

The attempt might be futile, as many have said RB is too fast even without DRS, and Mercs took too long to warm up their tyres; but they could say they've tried but failed spectacularly.  biggrin.gif
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The thing is that Toto came on Lewis radio after the race and said something about strategy briefing that morning. It was later said that when such situation occurred, both car would stayed on the same tyres. Therefore if they're going to pit for soft, they would do it for both car, not just one.

Anyway, why I suggested it is purely because the track isn't wide enough for 3 cars. They could have block Max for 2 laps by effectively blocking the whole track on the straight. I don't feel it's dirty racing anymore after what SP is regularly doing since AD21.
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post Sep 6 2022, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Sep 5 2022, 09:41 PM)

Also it turns out LH has the wrong engine mode during the restart and made MV's job much easier. He only has himself to blame for that
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Honestly all fingers pointing to Lewis for the wrong reason. Why?

1. Mercedes pre race strategy already decided late sc case, both drivers would be on same tyres. Are they? No...

2. Max is 10s ahead of Lewis and Mercedes saw them pit for fresh soft. Keep him out on quite used medium with no buffer car is brilliant? As if they are noobs who didn't knew how fast Max RB were on the straight.

3. Lewis was obviously already absent minded after he realized the car behind him is Max and not GR. He was already on the radio complaining he's speechless with what they had done. I think AD21 is playing on his mind again but this time let down by his own team u-turn.
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post Sep 8 2022, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Sep 8 2022, 09:28 AM)
Well he's 7x WDC. How can his less experienced team mate make the correct call by instinct knowing he would get raped by both RBR and SF on restart if he continue with mediums? You can blame the pitwall, but he should also take part of the blame

Anyway, dont bring up AD21. He lost last year because of similar stupid mistake by flicking the magic brakes on in Baku, easily losing him 25 free points. If he hadnt done that, MV wouldnt stand a chance for the WDC and he would be 8x WDC already
How long can he hold MV up with his mediums? If the RBR can sail pass LH, it can sail pass GR upon restart. Eventually LH will be passed by the next lap. Dont forget other than MV, there's also CL on softs.

If GR didnt go for soft, merc would end up 3rd and 4th, instead of 2nd and 4th. In terms of team points of course 2nd and 4th is better, but in terms of ego/face for a 7x WDC, of course he would prefer to finish infront of his team mate at the cost of WCC points

Now it's just a matter of when the merc garage will turn toxic like LH/NR days
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Honestly, this is not about the correct or wrong call. This is about risking it for the win. Mercedes want to risk a win then they should give the commitment. GR said it himself, 2nd or 3rd is nothing compared to a win. Mercedes has to had 2 cars in front of Max if they really want to gamble for a win, simple as that. Max may have top speed advantage but if Mercedes had 2 cars, they can still pull it through the 2 laps before DRS is enabled. This track is not that wide plus off racing is a bit sandy. They just had to run close enough and block left and right to prevent Max from overtaking. If everyone is racing for themselves, then there is no need for the discussion because you cant go wrong by just copying whatever strategy RB run.
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post Sep 8 2022, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Sep 8 2022, 02:21 PM)
Your thought is what I called wishful thinking. If GR has the chance to go side by side with LH, you think he wouldnt gun for the win? The guy is young and hungry for his first win. Merc already screwed him once when he sub for LH

Anyway, whats the benefit of driving side by side and risk getting entangled in the corners? Also in equal opportunity situations, I dont see why GR should be the gunner when he's holding more WDC points between the merc drivers
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Nah, I think you are mistaken to think that I vouched for Lewis to win, given the circumstances. He did a really good race and deserved to win of course but for what I proposed, it had to be orchestra move by both drivers. No matter what, the one with Max following closely would have to back out slightly to ensure they would have a buffer car to Max before the DRS train could activate 2 laps after the restart.
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post Sep 9 2022, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Sep 8 2022, 07:30 PM)
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Make Faklali great again...
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post Sep 9 2022, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 9 2022, 08:09 PM)
Again many grid penalties this race:
LH and SP to back of the grid
MV drops 5
Yuki drops 10
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You sure SP to the back?
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post Sep 11 2022, 10:31 PM

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The safety car driver is a joke. He caught GR instead of Max. What was he thinking?

Cars are getting too heavy to be lifted by heli is another disappointment.
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post Sep 11 2022, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(outpace @ Sep 11 2022, 10:25 PM)
looking at this, I'm more than reminded that Lewis Hamilton was robbed of a championship. Ya, still can't get over with that clown drama last year
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At least they're following protocols now. No more dramas.
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post Sep 11 2022, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(coklatua @ Sep 11 2022, 10:34 PM)
Wow. Rules changed again r?
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Redbull should be ashamed of this win.
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LoL

RB should be ashamed of 'that' win since they coached the race director. This one is according to rules.

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post Sep 12 2022, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Sep 11 2022, 11:42 PM)
Someone pointed the differences between Red Bull Verstappen and Mercedes Lewis when come to safety car handling:
Mercedes and Lewis too concerned on the leading position, fear of unable to overtake later, so continue without going for pitstop. Happened twice and still same decision...

Red Bull and Max, not giving a damn on the leading position, just come in for pitstop, in Max we trust he'll overtake back anyone, year 2021 and year 2022 also same decision...

Perhaps Red Bull starting 2021 is already a dominant car while Mercedes and Ferrari just hanging around trying hard for luck.
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I think it's all down to the new car. Previous years, unless you have like 25+ laps older tyres versus fresh, chances are they will be finding it hard to follow through the dirty air. However the ground effect car already proven much easier to follow and drs effect too strong. Of course Mercedes would love to pit and put on fresh tyres but I think this year they are a bit reluctant to do so. First of all, they have tyres warmup problem regardless of the compound. Second they are down a good half a second on Ferrari if they are running the same tyres and fuel level. Honestly, I just don't know what Ferrari are doing. Maybe they are just chewing on their tyres too much. Every GP also see Ferrari and RB pull away at the beginning whereas Mercedes slow and steady until 10-15laps later, they can be running at a matching/faster pace than both RB and Ferrari (for Lewis, GR not so good with tyres management unless he's running behind Lewis).
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post Sep 13 2022, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Sep 13 2022, 02:43 PM)
You put LH in SP car, MV won't stand a chance to win half of his 11 in this season.
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Dont be like this... later orange fans rape 9 you...

Later they will say LH wont even win 1 championship with Mercedes if Toto managed to convinced Max to join them.
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post Sep 13 2022, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 13 2022, 04:52 PM)
In this whole season of 22 race calendar?? You're saying MV can only win max 5 races in 22 races so LH would win like 10-12 of those if he joins RB?? Objectively I find that really hard to believe. Lol Disregarding MV past experience in the car and team, I'd think both could be quite close in splitting the number of wins thru the season.
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I think numbers of wins in a season is just statistics. The WDC matters more in the end. Schumi may not have as many wins as Lewis but he's still 7 times WDC. When Max won his 7th WDC then those ppl will start comparing other records to justify he's the GOAT. No biggie really...
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post Sep 14 2022, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 13 2022, 07:47 PM)
I know but that's not my point in my post above. I'm questioning head to head in the same car, you think LH will win double than MV?? You regard so highly of LH or so lowly of MV??

Even WDC is just stats, that's why I don't consider either MS or LH as the GOAT.
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You'll never get them both in the same car, who bother to scratch your head over it? Besides there's just too many factors affecting the outcome of a race which ultimately decided a championship.

I don't really want to compare them like that. Drivers are not robots, their performance are affected by other factors like age, mentality and fitness. Given how Lewis has struggled with W13 in the beginning of the season, it's hard to say how much was it down to car and how much was it down to his age (coping with the porpoising). You probably could say GR would have beaten Max in the same car given the race outcome that he achieved with the broken W13 early in the season. Nothing is certain until you get them in the same car and race it out.

Other than that, it's merely pot calling kettle black and vice versa.
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post Sep 14 2022, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Sep 13 2022, 09:26 PM)
Alonso was right, Hamilton only knows how to drive at the front. Drive not race.
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Alonso is faster than you, do you copy...

LoL... all also feel like they are racers until they meet another driver in the same car...
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post Sep 14 2022, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Sep 14 2022, 01:58 AM)
GR drove the W11 in 2020 as stand in for lulu and came within an engine failure of winning a Grand Prix first time out.
Shows you how easy the car was to drive even for someone not usually in the team.
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So? Did he won? LOL... Mercedes engine is bullet proof back then and he cant even take it home. I have nothing against GR. Yeah, he's fast but also inconsistent at the same time. If he learned to tone it down, he would be a much better racer. Just look at GR race pace when he's ahead of Lewis vs when he's behind Lewis. He needs to tone down his aggresion, and stop over driving. Learn to rub in tyres after pit stop before pushing it.


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QUOTE(outpace @ Sep 14 2022, 12:48 AM)
Yeah, Max is still a worthy champion of 2021 no doubt and he's probably the very unbeatable one right now, but that feeling of F1 turning into WWE and how much time I have wasted watching these "shows" all these years ... is hanging there in the air

will get over it, human factor is always there and whether it was the last race or in the middle of the season was also a random event. Like the last lap of Brazil 2008  biggrin.gif
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Sometimes luck also a huge factor in every race. If you had Ferrari challenging you, chances are you will get lucky with whatever weird decision they made along the way. Just like how Lewis was lucky enough to win the British GP on 3 wheels.

Honestly FIA opened a can of worms and they will never be able to satisfy those fella anymore after AD21. AD21 will always be used as reference for SC restart despite it being the wrong one. People are now starting to be bored with RB dominance that they wanted to have the same thing over again. Max drove a brilliant race in Monza and yet Ferrari are complaining like a sore loser despite every decision with the SC were done in accordance with the rules that were clarified in the aftermath of AD21. I dont even like Max but I dont even want to give Ferrari half a chance to fiight for the victory given their arrogance after making multiple high profile questionable decisions with their pit stops throughout the year.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 14 2022, 03:09 PM)
For GR, I think have to wait until year end if he could really stay ahead of LH. If he does, have to give credit to him, doesn't mean he is better than LH but surely he is a force to be reckoned with if he can keep LH behind in the standings within a 22 race calendar. But subsequently he might end up like DR who stormed in RB by beating SV but now look how bad he is.
Kimi was lucky that Mclaren imploded with the clash of FA vs LH. That year should have been won by FA if not for the Hungary fiasco.
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Lewis is counting his days in F1. Yeah, he is still fast but he basically had nothing to prove anymore other than winning 8th title (or 9th depending how you look at AD21). GR is young and eager but his race pace isn't really that good which should be a concern. I don't care if GR beat Lewis in the standings at the end of the year. The guy he should be aiming to beat is Max or Charles.

As for FA, honestly, as much as I was still a Ferrari fans back then, I never like FA at all. I think Lewis was outstanding on his debut year although I didnt like him either since MSC just retired. I was surprised that FA lose his cool with Lewis. I celebrated when FA failed to defend his title (partly also because still supporting Ferrari and Kimi) and subsequently went back to Renault. Absolutely hated it when Massa was denied a title next year because of Singapore2008. Although FA said he's innocent, I don't buy his story at all.
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QUOTE(amdxp @ Oct 1 2022, 10:04 PM)
Honda boy does not have enough fuel, start form 8.  His worst of the year ! haha tongue.gif

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Where got worse? That day engine penalty start from 14th still win.

If there's one thing you can count on RB is Hannah. She will clear a path for you.

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