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post Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM, updated 8y ago

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So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.

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post Sep 25 2017, 10:17 PM

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have you check how many % of your monthly donation goes toward the cause, while how many % pay for their marketing staff?
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM

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still keep my unicef donation running. afaik they still channeling their funds for Orang Asli kids welfare & education.

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post Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM

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Too much (in terms of percentage) of our donation went to their working staff who may earn more than us, sad but true.
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Sep 25 2017, 10:17 PM)
have you check how many % of your monthly donation goes toward the cause, while how many % pay for their marketing staff?
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Remember last time the National Kidney Foundation donation, only 10% of the money went towards the needy people.
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM

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Confirm songlap. Where got ppl jobs is asking money from ppl
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:35 PM

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Thanks for donating, sir.

Your kind donation will be pocketed by us at our convenience
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:37 PM

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post Sep 25 2017, 10:38 PM

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I never donate to them, because I know only a portion of the donation goes to the cause. Priority most likely goes to their salary first.
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:54 PM

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In the end also Bijan will get the Donasi
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post Sep 25 2017, 11:05 PM

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How about donate to your local charity?
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post Sep 25 2017, 11:15 PM

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About 70% goes to marketing company, IIRC. Can check out their accounts. They still do it because if there's no marketing, they get even less.
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post Sep 25 2017, 11:21 PM

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I don't donate at all. Charities are too often bullshit.
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instead of donate thru them, better donate directly to those needed
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post Sep 26 2017, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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If you contribute time, effort, care, food or even money to the local orphanages directly, you know for sure the orphans will benefit.
foreign ngo? pays for their first-class airfare and european salaries
*you can select yapiem, at least you only pay for golf simulator and france wedding course

Report: Cash-strapped UN health agency spends about $200 million a year on travel
The U.N. children's agency UNICEF, which has about 13,000 staffers, said it spent $140 million on global travel in 2016.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-o...-travel-report/

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These Orphans Need Your Help! – Here's How ... - Malaysian Digest
www.malaysiandigest.com/.../600091-these-orphans-need-your-help-here-s-how-you...
Mar 14, 2016 - Last Friday, Malaysian Digest's visit to Cornerstone Orphanage Home, which has 21 residents, served as an eye opener on the unseen plight ...
Orphanage Home Malaysia - Home | Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Orphanage-Home-Mal...33416703344435/
Orphanage Home Malaysia. 814 likes · 6 talking about this. A page dedicated in delivering all orphanage homes information in Malaysia so that more people...
OrphanCARE - Hati | Serving the community
www.hati.my › Children
Most orphanages are often ill-resourced to provide children the kind of love, ... Our baby hatch, the first such facility in Malaysia, was set up to discourage women ...
Agathians | Home
www.agathians.org/
Agathians Shelter is a legally registered welfare home under the name: Pertubuhan Kebajikan Agathians Malaysia (0061-04-7). We are a welfare home located at Petaling Jaya. We have 40 boys who are either orphans, abandoned or from broken family, the age ranges between 5 till 20 years old.
Orphanage | Amitabha Malaysia
amitabhamalaysia.org/en/index.php/charity-work/orphanage/
There are 20 children from different family backgrounds under the care of Amitabha Buddhist Orphanage; the number is increasing as the derivative of the social ...
Help Children - Orphanage Malaysia :: Rumahaman.com
www.rumahaman.com/

Rumah Aman, an orphanage Malaysia organization, helps children by educating them, providing meals and other basic necessities of life.

19 April 2013 by James Hoh – CM Good Samaritan Home, which now has 35 children, is one of the more established homes in Klang. It was a dramatic if not ...
OrphanCARE - Yayasan Hasanah
https://yayasanhasanah.org/partner/orphancare/
Sep 18, 2014 - To this end, OrphanCARE Foundation (OrphanCARE) is seeking to give orphans and abandoned babies in Malaysia the love, care and ...
OrphanCare: A family for every orphan | New Straits Times | Malaysia ...
https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/11/188249/...ly-every-orphan
Nov 13, 2016 - At the launch of the first Malaysia Adoption Day last Friday, OrphanCare Foundation chairman Tan Sri Faizah Mohd Tahir said orphanages ...
PressReader - The Star Malaysia: 2016-12-31 - Every child needs a ...
https://www.pressreader.com/malaysia/the-st...282084866471853
Dec 31, 2016 - THANK you for highlighting the plight of children in orphanages who are ... set up to give orphans and abandoned babies in Malaysia the love, ...
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post Sep 26 2017, 12:07 AM

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I have friend who used to work parttime with UNICEF during college. You will shock how much commission they made from each subscription. He is getting 4-5k commission each month by doing that, all commission base no basic salary.
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post Sep 26 2017, 12:08 AM

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Overrated union
Let me guess
Marketing
Sales
PR
CS
Admin
Allowance
Travel
Lodging
Food Beverages
Print materials
There goes 99% of donasi

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post Sep 26 2017, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Sep 26 2017, 12:00 AM)
If you contribute time, effort, care, food or even money to the local orphanages directly, you know for sure the orphans will benefit.
foreign ngo? pays for their first-class airfare and european salaries
*you can select yapiem, at least you only pay for golf simulator and france wedding course

Report: Cash-strapped UN health agency spends about $200 million a year on travel
The U.N. children's agency UNICEF, which has about 13,000 staffers, said it spent $140 million on global travel in 2016.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-o...-travel-report/

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

These Orphans Need Your Help! – Here's How ... - Malaysian Digest
www.malaysiandigest.com/.../600091-these-orphans-need-your-help-here-s-how-you...
Mar 14, 2016 - Last Friday, Malaysian Digest's visit to Cornerstone Orphanage Home, which has 21 residents, served as an eye opener on the unseen plight ...
Orphanage Home Malaysia - Home | Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Orphanage-Home-Mal...33416703344435/
Orphanage Home Malaysia. 814 likes · 6 talking about this. A page dedicated in delivering all orphanage homes information in Malaysia so that more people...
OrphanCARE - Hati | Serving the community
www.hati.my › Children
Most orphanages are often ill-resourced to provide children the kind of love, ... Our baby hatch, the first such facility in Malaysia, was set up to discourage women ...
Agathians | Home
www.agathians.org/
Agathians Shelter is a legally registered welfare home under the name: Pertubuhan Kebajikan Agathians Malaysia (0061-04-7). We are a welfare home located at Petaling Jaya. We have 40 boys who are either orphans, abandoned or from broken family, the age ranges between 5 till 20 years old.
Orphanage | Amitabha Malaysia
amitabhamalaysia.org/en/index.php/charity-work/orphanage/
There are 20 children from different family backgrounds under the care of Amitabha Buddhist Orphanage; the number is increasing as the derivative of the social ...
Help Children - Orphanage Malaysia :: Rumahaman.com
www.rumahaman.com/

Rumah Aman, an orphanage Malaysia organization, helps children by educating them, providing meals and other basic necessities of life.

19 April 2013 by James Hoh – CM Good Samaritan Home, which now has 35 children, is one of the more established homes in Klang. It was a dramatic if not ...
OrphanCARE - Yayasan Hasanah
https://yayasanhasanah.org/partner/orphancare/
Sep 18, 2014 - To this end, OrphanCARE Foundation (OrphanCARE) is seeking to give orphans and abandoned babies in Malaysia the love, care and ...
OrphanCare: A family for every orphan | New Straits Times | Malaysia ...
https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/11/188249/...ly-every-orphan
Nov 13, 2016 - At the launch of the first Malaysia Adoption Day last Friday, OrphanCare Foundation chairman Tan Sri Faizah Mohd Tahir said orphanages ...
PressReader - The Star Malaysia: 2016-12-31 - Every child needs a ...
https://www.pressreader.com/malaysia/the-st...282084866471853
Dec 31, 2016 - THANK you for highlighting the plight of children in orphanages who are ... set up to give orphans and abandoned babies in Malaysia the love, ...
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post Mar 14 2018, 10:54 PM

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donation can safe somebody life, I mean some $45 can provide 45 days of special energy-dense food for a severely malnourished child.
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post Mar 15 2018, 12:31 AM

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Unicef is a big scam. Donated once but soon read about the horror stories of those who worked there before.

Stop and divert to NKF aka National Kidney Foundation.
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post Mar 15 2018, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM)
Remember last time the National Kidney Foundation donation, only 10% of the money went towards the needy people.
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mana link?
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Beh tahan all the dumb tactics used to get people to sign up.


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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 15 2018, 03:14 AM)
Beh tahan all the dumb tactics used to get people to sign up.
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there was once a guy approached me in cold storage to ask for donation. I ignored him and he threw tantrum lol.
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post Mar 15 2018, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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>at ampang point lrt
>rohingya kid sleeping in front of station
>unicef goons aggressively please give credit card for monthly donation
why didn't they help the kid in front of them?
you should stop, they just songlap your money.
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https://www.unicef.org/publications/files/U...Report_2016.pdf

Well... I’m a unicef donor too, and according to their annual report almost 100% of our donation is going to their programme. USD4.88b donations received, and USD4.8b in programs. If you look back at previous years’ annual report, this is something consistent - more than 90% of your donations is going to the work.

Your donations is not only helping children in Malaysia, but across the world. If you only want to help children in Malaysia, then donate to a local charity. I’m fine with my donation with UNICEF, it’s the local charity which I’m donating to that I’m worried about.

No transparency on what programs that they are running, and they only promote other things on their facebook page. They were supposed to help underprivileged children to attend school, but no info to scrutinize how successful are their programmes. I’m only giving them until mid of 2018 to shape up before cutting them off.
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QUOTE(rubrubrub @ Mar 15 2018, 03:25 AM)
there was once a guy approached me in cold storage to ask for donation. I ignored him and he threw tantrum lol.
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Ya..me too

Really beh tahan, haha.

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I’ve stopped last time.

But it’s good on your income tax return also
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post Mar 15 2018, 07:05 AM

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Yeah I've stopped UNICEF and went for BUDIMAS. At least you know they're local kids, I think laugh.gif
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if donate, don't ask how many % goes to the unfortunate one. Even a piece of biscuit reached their hands, there is still better than nothing. We know that nothing is free. Even work for free but how many can afford to buy their own tickets and fly to somewhere to help someone not met before?

The only reason for not donating is stopping their gov to take advantage on the charity organizations for taking care of their citizens, so that they can have more resources to spend on develop weapons or making the rich one become richer.
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Even if u go directly to orphanage to make donation, not 100% of the money goes to the orphans. Half or even more sapu by caretakers. Songlaps everywhere. Leader songlap, citizen follow leader to songlap. I rather get someone cooks some good meals for all the orphans in the orphanage and make sure they are happy and stomach full. That way i also happy.
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Ahhh, the beauty of commercialised charity
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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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Yes, we should look around, people needing our help is just not far from us.


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QUOTE(rubrubrub @ Mar 15 2018, 03:25 AM)
there was once a guy approached me in cold storage to ask for donation. I ignored him and he threw tantrum lol.
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show middle finger or ask him "talk to the hand" laugh.gif
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about 10 years ago when i was at a roadshow with my company selling cars, i was manning the floor. this unicef booth was next to ours, the salesperson from unicef sort of dissed my job and asked me to join them as they can earn more monthly.

from that day on all this unicef, wwf whatever booth to me all bs. if i'm not mistaken run by same people locally. at least maybe the marketing side
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stop contributing to somebody's panggil ayam fund
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the tactic of "sir would you like to sign to support against world hunger".

Sudah sign

"sir would like to donate RM1/day to help us to provide food to the needy".
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please help malaysia first before think of the world. your country neeeds you. after u help us become 1st world country with rm1=usd 1 then u can help the world.
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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Mar 15 2018, 12:37 AM)
mana link?
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That's an old news, like in early 2000s. Hard to find the link as internet news was not that common then biggrin.gif

The people they hired to raise funds were foreigners, maybe pinoy...
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QUOTE(khelben @ Mar 15 2018, 07:05 AM)
Yeah I've stopped UNICEF and went for BUDIMAS. At least you know they're local kids, I think laugh.gif
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yeah i also contribute to budimas also

however how many % goes to the orphanage?
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Mar 15 2018, 06:43 AM)
https://www.unicef.org/publications/files/U...Report_2016.pdf

Well... I’m a unicef donor too, and according to their annual report almost 100% of our donation is going to their programme. USD4.88b donations received, and USD4.8b in programs. If you look back at previous years’ annual report, this is something consistent - more than 90% of your donations is going to the work.

Your donations is not only helping children in Malaysia, but across the world. If you only want to help children in Malaysia, then donate to a local charity. I’m fine with my donation with UNICEF, it’s the local charity which I’m donating to that I’m worried about.

No transparency on what programs that they are running, and they only promote other things on their facebook page. They were supposed to help underprivileged children to attend school, but no info to scrutinize how successful are their programmes. I’m only giving them until mid of 2018 to shape up before cutting them off.
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QUOTE(eyerule @ Mar 15 2018, 08:59 AM)
about 10 years ago when i was at a roadshow with my company selling cars, i was manning the floor. this unicef booth was next to ours, the salesperson from unicef sort of dissed my job and asked me to join them as they can earn more monthly.

from that day on all this unicef, wwf whatever booth to me all bs. if i'm not mistaken run by same people locally. at least maybe the marketing side

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If you want to donate just gather a couple of companies and go together. give them contribute them directly not through NGO like those.

How much you really know how they handle those funds?
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QUOTE(lifeofkuli @ Mar 15 2018, 09:13 AM)
Read below
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I don't mind my money goes into their commission bro. Overall, 90% of my money still goes into the programs. Don't just see the surface of their donation drive. Not everybody works on volunteerism, they still need to make money.

Anyway, I'm not forcing you to donate to charity or UNICEF. To each their own.
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post Mar 15 2018, 09:31 AM

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I remember NKF started this 20 years ago. Don't want cash only CC monthly deduction.This is good business for boss of those agents. Embark on aggressive recruitment drive. Only accept credit card donations and enjoy commission income for life as long as donors don't wise up and cancelled.

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Mar 15 2018, 09:20 AM)
I don't mind my money goes into their commission bro. Overall, 90% of my money still goes into the programs. Don't just see the surface of their donation drive. Not everybody works on volunteerism, they still need to make money.

Anyway, I'm not forcing you to donate to charity or UNICEF. To each their own.
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of course everyone has to make money. but to make more than RM6k a month pushing donations. i'm not sure i feel that it's ok for me. added on to that we don't know how much else goes to pay for the other things before the money actually reaches charity. it's just too opaque
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QUOTE(heaven @ Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM)
Too much (in terms of percentage) of our donation went to their working staff who may earn more than us, sad but true.
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Iirc their staff travel everywhere business class
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QUOTE(eyerule @ Mar 15 2018, 09:31 AM)
of course everyone has to make money. but to make more than RM6k a month pushing donations. i'm not sure i feel that it's ok for me. added on to that we don't know how much else goes to pay for the other things before the money actually reaches charity. it's just too opaque
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Look at the attached UNICEF annual report in my previous post. Don't just look at what the staff/marketing are doing here in Malaysia. As I mentioned in my earlier post, in 2016, UNICEF worldwide received USD4.88 billion in donations, and USD4.8 billion in programs are funded. Basically, almost 100% of your money is going into the people. Salary/marketing costs separate.
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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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manage ur own fund bro.. it's even better if u start to feel like this.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM)
Remember last time the National Kidney Foundation donation, only 10% of the money went towards the needy people.
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any proof of this? source?

im not NKF staff

im one of donor

if this is the truth, i wanna stop donate
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Just straight donate to the person in need...bank in to their bank acc directly....owai doh.gif
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Mar 15 2018, 09:36 AM)
Look at the attached UNICEF annual report in my previous post. Don't just look at what the staff/marketing are doing here in Malaysia. As I mentioned in my earlier post, in 2016, UNICEF worldwide received USD4.88 billion in donations, and USD4.8 billion in programs are funded. Basically, almost 100% of your money is going into the people. Salary/marketing costs separate.
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if you are ok then go ahead. just saying that some people can't accept that
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 15 2018, 09:08 AM)
That's an old news, like in early 2000s. Hard to find the link as internet news was not that common then biggrin.gif

The people they hired to raise funds were foreigners, maybe pinoy...
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QUOTE(Strike @ Mar 15 2018, 09:40 AM)
any proof of this? source?

im not NKF staff

im one of donor

if this is the truth, i wanna stop donate
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This happened many years ago. Things could be different now.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 15 2018, 10:18 AM)
This happened many years ago. Things could be different now.
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they even asked to attend gala dinner or some stuff

i dont even bother. got other things to do laugh.gif
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QUOTE(titanz @ Mar 15 2018, 08:54 AM)
show middle finger or ask him "talk to the hand"  laugh.gif
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lol then later he has an excuse for his tantrum. btw, are they even allowed to solicit in cold storage?
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I donate to orphanage regularly. Usually every month $50. I am interested in this organization "Hope Now" . Their team is working on improving the quality of life for orphans living without families, brought faith to those in prisons and fed hungry people living on the edge of existence.

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I don't mind my money goes into their commission bro. Overall, 90% of my money still goes into the programs. Don't just see the surface of their donation drive. Not everybody works on volunteerism, they still need to make money.

Anyway, I'm not forcing you to donate to charity or UNICEF. To each their own.
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Tuan, I can help you donate to UNICEF and you will get 3x the pahala.
no need for you to do it yourself, or waste your precious personal time.
100% guarantee 90% of your donation will reach the UNICEF, as overall, 90% of your money still goes into the programs.
100% disclosure 10% is need to pay logistic costs. pls pm bank-in slip.
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Look at the attached UNICEF annual report in my previous post. Don't just look at what the staff/marketing are doing here in Malaysia. As I mentioned in my earlier post, in 2016, UNICEF worldwide received USD4.88 billion in donations, and USD4.8 billion in programs are funded. Basically, almost 100% of your money is going into the people. Salary/marketing costs separate.
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Report: Cash-strapped UN health agency spends about $200 million a year on travel
The U.N. children's agency UNICEF, which has about 13,000 staffers, said it spent $140 million on global travel in 2016.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-o...-travel-report/

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Lol...Unicef? It's a big ass scam game. Long time ago was invited to this office in Midvalley with under the impression it's brand executive, which now in facebook they call the pangkat customer service executive.

Went in, so many banners of Unicef. So many ppl with copy paste black coat. Went in, terus mcm MLM. Some woman came in and piqued everyone's morning by being jovial and shit. Then say we are doing a donation drive and philanthropist job. Next thing you know she said, "why would you work in a 9 to 5 job and earn only RM3000 to RM5000 when I am happier working here at whenever time I want and I can drink starbucks every day and eat good food? Work with us, you will live like kings"

So, ever since, I loathed this group of people. There's even a thread in this forum of this scamming group. Worst thing? Their people will not stop bugging you on the streets, waving hello from far even if you are looking down, they'll lie on the floor looking at your face and say hello!!!! Like some long lost buddy 90 years never keep in touch

Nah link bagi: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1013241/all

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 25 2017, 10:34 PM)
Remember last time the National Kidney Foundation donation, only 10% of the money went towards the needy people.
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And the CEO always travel overseas with first class ticket whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Strike @ Mar 15 2018, 09:40 AM)
any proof of this? source?

im not NKF staff

im one of donor

if this is the truth, i wanna stop donate
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....my wife close friend, was one of secretary then. Abuses are quite rampant..... That was more than 10 years ago but not sure now. Are they being audited?
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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Mar 16 2018, 12:32 AM)
Report: Cash-strapped UN health agency spends about $200 million a year on travel
The U.N. children's agency UNICEF, which has about 13,000 staffers, said it spent $140 million on global travel in 2016.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-o...-travel-report/

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If you read the article, it was critical of WHO, not UNICEF. Unless you don’t really understand English... It was only quoting UNICEF, as they were spending 140 vs 200 by WHO. Let me know once you found articles that UNICEF is cheating my money i.e more than 80% of my money is not going into their programs, but travelling salary etc etc

Anyway, I’m gonna stop replying here coz I’m still donating to a good cause. If you feel that I’m wrong, to each his own. As long as you donate to any charity, it’s good. If you don’t donate your money at all to any charity, then good for you too.

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Sep 25 2017, 11:15 PM)
About 70% goes to marketing company, IIRC. Can check out their accounts. They still do it because if there's no marketing, they get even less.
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This is interesting. May I know where can I check their accounts?
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QUOTE(2feidei @ Sep 25 2017, 10:17 PM)
have you check how many % of your monthly donation goes toward the cause, while how many % pay for their marketing staff?
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If you contribute time, effort, care, food or even money to the local orphanages directly, you know for sure the orphans will benefit.
foreign ngo? pays for their first-class airfare and european salaries
*you can select yapiem, at least you only pay for golf simulator and france wedding course

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OK, some stuff to point out. Look...charities HAVE top operate as for-profit organizations, in many cases. Unless they have a some reliable source of outside funding.

I think its hilarious and rather native that people have expectations that 100% or even close to 90% of the money they donate will go towards the cause that they expect. People seem to have this impression that charities have to be staffed completely by unpaid volunteers and are outraged that there are well paid CEOs or even a marketing department.

Who the hell is volunteering? Are you? C'mon...hands up, who wants to do devote their time and energy to work 40+ hours a week for free? Any takers? No one...as expected...

End of day, charities are run by people who have to be paid well. You can't expect a charity that handles million in donations to be run by someone being paid minimum wage. You want someone competent in charge of the money, and competent people don't come cheap. Salaries often come very close to that of fund managers. This is why charities have to spend so much on payroll. That said, its not just their job to solicit the money. They also have to find ways to grow what they have to ensure funds for the future.

The last time I tried to point this out here, somebody called me a shill who works for charities. He was a fucking idiot. I'm not associated with any nor have I ever worked for one.

But yes, there is such a thing as abuse of trust. So you should only contribute to those that are good accountability and transparency. Just don't be too surprised when you see payroll taking up a huge portion of it.
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Must make proper audit on them. I dont trust those ngo. Must just work for money
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I miss alot calls from UNICEF. Doin it on purpose laugh.gif I think better donate to WWF. Wild life > overpopulated human scums.
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All these r the global rlite's smoke screen eg; UN, unicef ......
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I miss alot calls from UNICEF. Doin it on purpose laugh.gif I think better donate to WWF. Wild life > overpopulated human scums.
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Mar 16 2018, 08:00 AM)
This is interesting. May I know where can I check their accounts?
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There was an article on this many years ago in the early 2000s when these strategy first appeared here. Can't find it now.

There is a generic one on Australian charities from 2009:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-26/c...g-costs/1117486

Saw a report on UNICEF USA for 2017 and it looks more efficient now:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?...mary&orgid=4617
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OK, some stuff to point out. Look...charities HAVE top operate as for-profit organizations, in many cases. Unless they have a some reliable source of outside funding.

I think its hilarious and rather native that people have expectations that 100% or even close to 90% of the money they donate will go towards the cause that they expect. People seem to have this impression that charities have to be staffed completely by unpaid volunteers and are outraged that there are well paid CEOs or even a marketing department.

Who the hell is volunteering? Are you? C'mon...hands up, who wants to do devote their time and energy to work 40+ hours a week for free? Any takers? No one...as expected...

End of day, charities are run by people who have to be paid well. You can't expect a charity that handles million in donations to be run by someone being paid minimum wage. You want someone competent in charge of the money, and competent people don't come cheap. Salaries often come very close to that of fund managers. This is why charities have to spend so much on payroll. That said, its not just their job to solicit the money. They also have to find ways to grow what they have to ensure funds for the future.

The last time I tried to point this out here, somebody called me a shill who works for charities. He was a fucking idiot. I'm not associated with any nor have I ever worked for one.

But yes, there is such a thing as abuse of trust. So you should only contribute to those that are good accountability and transparency. Just don't be too surprised when you see payroll taking up a huge portion of it.
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those most likely the same species that thinks that freelancers should work for free
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There was an article on this many years ago in the early 2000s when these strategy first appeared here. Can't find it now.

There is a generic one on Australian charities from 2009:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-26/c...g-costs/1117486

Saw a report on UNICEF USA for 2017 and it looks more efficient now:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?...mary&orgid=4617
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I see. Thank you!
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I don't support UNICEF...International NGO get paid really well and travel business class whereas me only economy class

Nope, don't support.

But I personally contribute to other local charities, just no support UNICEF. If you guys know how they operate...you will beat your chest
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QUOTE(saikia2046 @ Mar 15 2018, 07:06 AM)
if donate, don't ask how many % goes to the unfortunate one. Even a piece of biscuit reached their hands, there is still better than nothing. We know that nothing is free. Even work for free but how many can afford to buy their own tickets and fly to somewhere to help someone not met before?

The only reason for not donating is stopping their gov to take advantage on the charity organizations for taking care of their citizens, so that they can have more resources to spend on develop weapons or making the rich one become richer.
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True la, someone needs to work for the kids and no one would wanna work for free. Those things need money. I don't mind paying those people to help the kids really.

QUOTE(asphiroth @ Mar 15 2018, 09:11 AM)
yeah i also contribute to budimas also

however how many % goes to the orphanage?
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To be honest I don't know laugh.gif But I do frequent their site and FB page and seeing those kids getting help makes me happy.
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unicef - marketing looks like munching all the donations
world vision - same lo so famous
unhcr - marketing not weak also

budimas - so so femes , not transparent at all
nkf - rumors 10% donation used on the needed only
old folks home (mostly from ipoh i dont know y) - ppl said is a scam

orphanage or old folks home nearby - heard tht the caretaker will take the money for his own use instead of using it for the facilities
orphange at other places - places look so tidy and nice , sure enough donation already
old folks home looks bad and run down - sure caretaker songlap the donations la

chinese temple run charities - so many staffs , donation all pay salary n build temple lo , where got balance left to the needed?
famous international chinese charity like tzu chi - walao hq in kepong so big , hq temple in taiwan so gorgeous , sure use all the donation build la , i donate for orphan not temple leh

newspaper pleading donation - aiyo so many ppl donate , sure got surplus , then surplus newspaper agency songlap ,
direct donate to stranger on the road - i dont know u also , scam izzit
direct donate to beggar on the road - scam one , all these is syndicate

donation to tsunami in japan / earthquakes in china - walao their country so rich , need us donate meh

all these i had heard so often. then may i ask , what kind of charity u think is PURE enough to donate?

just like every other company , these charity body needs staffs , need place (office) to run. so u think any building out there no need rental? no need pay electricity/utilities? staff no need salary? those staff is immortal who no need to eat or drink? staff dont have family to support?

if u argue , ppl working in these places should demand a minimum wages , then where is their rights? how many of u would work full time for minimal wages in the name of charity? can u survive with that?

as long as they try to use as much % of donation to the needed , then it had done its job. your donation is meant to cover all these. if you are saying unicef and world vision staff should not be paid , then you should have said those supplying food and medicine should also be free.

airline should not charge a cent. transportation should not cost a cent. unicef building should be free , built and give by developer. then who needs your donation?

unless you are donating millions , to those who just donate a rm38 per mth , pls dont justify as if they scam you purposely. your rm38 is not that big.

of course when thousand of ppl donating , the amount bcome huge. thts the point , we contribute little to as much as we can / willing to afford. let them do what they can to help the needed.

all the excuses i heard , i really felt that its just another reason for cheapskate to avoid donating and at the same time wanna proof he is right.

i had been donating to unicef , unhcr , budimas , world vision for years. yes sometimes i think they should save some cost like instead posting updates , they could just have e-mail me.

im not sure how many % they used for what. but at least i knew i did my part.

if these were really scams , i rather being scam by these than those ppl walking in restaurant telling me he havent ate for days.
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The donation mostly will used for staff, cost of website, promotion as in ads and etc.

The fortunate one maybe just getting 5 to 10%
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If want to donate, give direct to Institute Jantung Negara. They are doing a lot of good for malaysian.
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sorry to necrothread, anyway to cancel the monthly donation ? i think it is more better to do volunteer work rather than donating money
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Most donation are scams anyways. Only small portion goes to the intended recipient.
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so according to /k, if want to start making donation, which organization should i donate to?

Im thinking to start monthly contribution to Unicef but seems a lot of negative feedback here..
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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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this is the good move
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Lulz their staff travel everywhwre business class on your donasi
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Songlap... Dont donate
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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 25 2017, 11:21 PM)
I don't donate at all. Charities are too often bullshit.
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QUOTE(2feidei @ Sep 25 2017, 10:17 PM)
have you check how many % of your monthly donation goes toward the cause, while how many % pay for their marketing staff?
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they all have to be paid, that is normal. Red Cross CEO is making as much as other CEOs in the forbes 500. If you dont pay them well, you will not be able to hire competent people
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Donators are like customers. The profit margin = money that goes to the needy is probably 5-10%. Rest goes to rental, salary etc etc.

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 3 2018, 06:48 PM)
they all have to be paid, that is normal. Red Cross CEO is making as much as other CEOs in the forbes 500. If you dont pay them well, you will not be able to hire competent people
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Then, they should not be called charity organisation, but for profit organisation. Charity is based on sympathy of public and transparency of the funds raising, not competency of the management.
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so according to /k, if want to start making donation, which organization should i donate to?
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To my bank account. Minimum wage earner here.
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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jul 4 2018, 12:03 AM)
Then, they should not be called charity organisation, but for profit organisation. Charity is based on sympathy of public and transparency of the funds raising, not competency of the management.
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This is where you are mistaken. Non-profit doesn't mean they dont make revenue nor capture sales. Its just that they have no shareholders to distribute the profit to. All proceeds go towards expanding the organization (hiring more people, buying more operational assets etc.) or directly for the cause (to be redistributed to the cancer patients, research labs)

You are trying to argue the relevance of non-profit but you didn't even get the terms right.
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Can try shelter home, been sponsoring since a year ago.. all local children. Located at PJ
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 4 2018, 12:16 AM)
This is where you are mistaken. Non-profit doesn't mean they dont make revenue nor capture sales. Its just that they have no shareholders to distribute the profit to. All proceeds go towards expanding the organization (hiring more people, buying more operational assets etc.) or directly for the cause (to be redistributed to the cancer patients, research labs)

You are trying to argue the relevance of non-profit but you didn't even get the terms right.
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You tell this to all donors.....hey! your donation, only 10% or 5% goes to charity, the rest goes to my salary and operating cost....overnight I guarantee you donation drop!

For profit organisation, buyer or consumer buy the products for the benefits or how it solve their problems. Donation, they do not expect anything in return, maybe just some feel good moment.

You don't try hide behind donation use to pay high salary for CEO......back to basic, what is the purpose of people donating? What are the donors intention? To pay the salary of CEO who is competent? If the CEO so competent, why don't he or she go to for profit organisation and work and earn for shareholders who are more than willing to pay him or her top dollar for their skills, because any reasonable shareholders will understand the competent CEO can earn back for them many fold?

Since you want to talk accounting, let me talk accounting with you. Revenue and sales both exist in charity and for profit organisation. That's the only similarity. Next, for profit organisation, revenue is generated via transaction between willing buyer and willing seller, where the buyer expect something in return, in exchange in buyer cash. Charity, yes, revenue still captured, but, there is no exchange of goods and services, the donors, just give money away he or she believe on the cause.

And, since the donors does not expect anything in return, don't you think it is morally right that the charity organisation be transparent on how they utilised the money?

Or. do you mean you would also agree with the previous BN Langkawi MP statement, you tax paid is already paid to the government, therefore, it is up to the government how they want to spend it?

I suggest you read through the charter of any charity organisation, what is the purpose they setup their charity organisation, and determine if their action of paying majority of their source of funds into operation cost, instead of meeting the goal of their charter.
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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jul 4 2018, 12:32 AM)
You tell this to all donors.....hey! your donation, only 10% or 5% goes to charity, the rest goes to my salary and operating cost....overnight I guarantee you donation drop!

For profit organisation, buyer or consumer buy the products for the benefits or how it solve their problems. Donation, they do not expect anything in return, maybe just some feel good moment.

You don't try hide behind donation use to pay high salary for CEO......back to basic, what is the purpose of people donating? What are the donors intention? To pay the salary of CEO who is competent? If the CEO so competent, why don't he or she go to for profit organisation and work and earn for shareholders who are more than willing to pay him or her top dollar for their skills, because any reasonable shareholders will understand the competent CEO can earn back for them many fold?

Since you want to talk accounting, let me talk accounting with you. Revenue and sales both exist in charity and for profit organisation. That's the only similarity. Next, for profit organisation, revenue is generated via transaction between willing buyer and willing seller, where the buyer expect something in return, in exchange in buyer cash. Charity, yes, revenue still captured, but, there is no exchange of goods and services, the donors, just give money away he or she believe on the cause.

And, since the donors does not expect anything in return, don't you think it is morally right that the charity organisation be transparent on how they utilised the money?

Or. do you mean you would also agree with the previous BN Langkawi MP statement, you tax paid is already paid to the government, therefore, it is up to the government how they want to spend it?

I suggest you read through the charter of any charity organisation, what is the purpose they setup their charity organisation, and determine if their action of paying majority of their source of funds into operation cost, instead of meeting the goal of their charter.
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Registered charity organizations have account books that you can request and look into. these financial documents are audited no different to a public company. You can look all these information on your own, don't let your inability to look for information or your reliance on spoon-feeding stop you from learning. My point stands, they still have their operating costs that they need to pay for, including hiring competent people to run the show. I am not defending their high CEO salaries, but I am defending against ignorance.

There are also plenty of platforms of charity organizations that you can read on to gauge how transparent, accountable, and fiscally responsible the different charities are. Since you seem to rely on others to help you with information gathering, here is one platform that you can look at: https://www.charitynavigator.org/


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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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I stopped it after knowing how much their staffs are earning, especially those holding high post. Oh, and also seeing their name on Barcelona’s jersey. 😅
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QUOTE(JaredC @ Jul 4 2018, 12:47 AM)
I stopped it after knowing how much their staffs are earning, especially those holding high post. Oh, and also seeing their name on Barcelona’s jersey. 😅
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1. as a world-wide organization, they need to retain professional staff
2. Unicef did not sponsor FCB, in-fact, FCB paid Unicef to have its logo printed on FCB's shirt

Knowing this, I doubt you would return to donating to them. No surprises there.
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1. Professional. LOL
2. Wrong.

Wrong facts. I’m surprised!
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I don't know why you need to deny easily verifiable information like this - do you even know how to google or are you just going to run your mouth to the ground? People working for these international charities are professionals and experienced managers, they are hired from other firms, many of the top execs hail from Forbes 500 companies. Their experience and connections make the organization viable, if they allow normal people like you running the show they may start to songlap the charity monies. I am not surprised that you are against this, your idea of running a charity organization may not be any different than running a kedai runcit. The CEO of the American Red Cross came from AT&T as well as Fidelity Investments, has been running the show for 10 years now for US$500k a year, a paltry sum for a CEO there; and although they are not without any scandals, the organization remains viable.

Without paying them remuneration at market rate, these charities will not be able to attract talent. Disagree all you want, but this is how they are run. Even foundations like Bill & Melinda Gates as well as Chan Zuckerberg Initiative have professional, career managers running them. Keep that kampung-management out of you head, they don't apply to these international charities.

I am not saying, I am right as usual, as I make mistakes all the time; but why do you feel the need to deny easily-googleable things like this? Too bored with life, got to spread false rumors and all?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...o-Busquets.html

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Club president Josep Maria Bartomeu signed the four year agreement after first thanking former president Joan Laporta for establishing the links with Unicef a decade ago. The deal guarantees 2m euros (£1.58million) a season from Barcelona for Unicef projects worldwide as well as free advertising.


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Registered charity organizations have account books that you can request and look into. these financial documents are audited no different to a public company. You can look all these information on your own, don't let your inability to look for information or your reliance on spoon-feeding stop you from learning. My point stands, they still have their operating costs that they need to pay for, including hiring competent people to run the show. I am not defending their high CEO salaries, but I am defending against ignorance.

There are also plenty of platforms of charity organizations that you can read on to gauge how transparent, accountable, and fiscally responsible the different charities are. Since you seem to rely on others to help you with information gathering, here is one platform that you can look at: https://www.charitynavigator.org/
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You are just contracting yourself, and seems to put words in other people mouth....since when I rely on you or any other person to help my information gathering? And, since when I claim ignorance?

I highlighted your own statement which you had contradict yourself above. You claim these charity organisation need so called highly competent person to run the show, at same time, not defending their high CEO salary? confused.gif doh.gif Do you mean that these highly competent CEO need to run the show for free? And, what do you define by highly competent CEO????

You completely missed my point, my point is, I do not mind highly competent CEO being paid high salaries. I am against that charity organisation paid high salaries to CEO, being I do not see any so called their high skills set they can bring into charity organisation?

Just like some insurance agent trying to close case, they talk as if like insurance as if like God, someone who will help you overcome all your difficulties when in needs. Common lah, if you read the fine prints carefully, there is many terms and conditions, and they just rely on these fine T&C not to pay compensation. And, you expect everybody, read for all these small small print? Well, then, might as well go direct to insurance company, bypassing agent, since agent is pretty useless anyway, since they only decide to tell half the story to their advantage, but conveniently forgetting to inform the rest?

Second, i dare to to any charity (those at shopping mall or outside bank, desperately asking people to sign or donate by auto-deduction), declare to the potential donors, how many % of the donation will actually goes to charity, while the rest goes to your so-call "operation cost"? You see how many people will donate? And, this is not new anymore, that's way now, these so called charity runners, hardly they get any donation.
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Now i feel like to stop also.
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Remember last time the National Kidney Foundation donation, only 10% of the money went towards the needy people.
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wtf really??? I just subscribe my card to them
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 7 2018, 09:08 AM)
wtf really??? I just subscribe my card to them
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Yes.. better check for the direct donation instead of paying thru cc.

just like neymar, many are making meals out of the it.





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QUOTE(tungfunglaw @ Jul 7 2018, 09:10 AM)
Yes.. better check for the direct donation instead of paying thru cc.

just like neymar, many are making meals out of the it.
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fml where can I stop my payment? I can't find the link to stop payment
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amoi mana gesel2 kau utk derma UNICEF ni?
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UNICEF has been harassing me with their emails ever since I stopped contributing to them. They keep on spamming picture of starving children at me , trying to guilt trip me to the max
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fml where can I stop my payment? I can't find the link to stop payment
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inform your bank.



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Well, the volunteers should have disclose the fact on how many % of their donation goes to charity for transparency sake.

There should be a competency rating for charities to ensure that these foundations are transparent, well managed, and efficient, with full disclosure on how many % of the donation goes to the needed.

Nobody wants to feel like a fool supporting a charity. So until that happens, I won’t donate to charities.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Mar 15 2018, 09:09 AM)
Even if u go directly to orphanage to make donation, not 100% of the money goes to the orphans. Half or even more sapu by caretakers. Songlaps everywhere. Leader songlap, citizen follow leader to songlap. I rather get someone cooks some good meals for all the orphans in the orphanage and make sure they are happy and stomach full. That way i also happy.
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ya i agree that strongly
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I only donate to Chinese school.
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QUOTE(hteekay @ Jul 7 2018, 09:23 AM)
UNICEF has been harassing me with their emails ever since I stopped contributing to them. They keep on spamming picture of starving children at me , trying to guilt trip me to the max
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Block them. Don't support their cause.

Talk bad about them among friends.
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All these unicef or wwf are scam?
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Tried to canccel my monthly donation by contacting Hong Leong. But they said we have to inform Unicef if we want to cancel
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most donation goes to the organization. paying salary and stuffs. if you wanna do charity then drive to an orphan and ask what they need. then go buy it.
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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 11:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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Well, i start donating to more needs to malaysians. there are a lot of ppl needs it.. thats why i join ngo team and helping the poor and oku ppl a lot. Sometime, when i visit their house it looks like worst than expected.
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QUOTE(quintesson @ Oct 11 2018, 11:34 PM)
All these unicef or wwf are scam?
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they are scam...mostly they outsource the scam company for fundraiser..
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I only donated once using points or whatever (so not really out of pocket), and I've been getting mailers ever since. I'm too paranoid to give them my bank or card details for recurring contributions.

So what I now do with the mailers is just black out my name, address and donor details and bin it all.
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Sep 25 2017, 11:34 PM)
instead of donate thru them, better donate directly to those needed
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I donate to SUKA Society - LINK

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If i'm not mistaken, was approached by them about 2 weeks back telling me now UNICEF channel funds to Malaysian centres as well. So... maybe they got different plans now?

didnt sign up btw. me cheapo
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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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Pls consider donating to Hospis Malaysia instead.

http://www.hospismalaysia.org/donations/

I lz repeat wat I've written b4, can you please just refer to this tered?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4687664
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Tried to canccel my monthly donation by contacting Hong Leong. But they said we have to inform Unicef if we want to cancel
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Credit card?

Tell them if they cannot do it, you will cancel the fckign card instead.
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yep a friend of mine is doing this. got incentive, bonus, company trip, team building

and no, im not paying any cent to them
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QUOTE(markshop @ Oct 11 2018, 06:32 PM)
ya i agree that strongly
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You can.

Just go buy milo, rice, biscuit etc... then bring to an orphanage...

You can even buy some M&M etc to go distribute directly to the children on top of those foodstuff...
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Credit card?

Tell them if they cannot do it, you will cancel the fckign card instead.
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I did both. Called Unicef, told them I want to stop the autodebit donation because I want to cancel my CC. Then called HLBB to actually cancel the CC. laugh.gif
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I did both. Called Unicef, told them I want to stop the autodebit donation because I want to cancel my CC. Then called HLBB to actually cancel the CC.  laugh.gif
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Um.... I mean just threaten HLBB stop the autodebit. If they didnt agree just ask for his name and say you will submit a formal complain to BNM quoting his name....


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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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KEK actually your donazi not even help any kid, but go to that promoter bonus & the manyzer business class flight tiket
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scam UN

little only get to the target
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Um.... I mean just threaten HLBB  stop the autodebit. If they didnt agree just ask for his name and say you will submit a formal complain to BNM quoting his name....
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My HLBB Air Asia card just approved. So I just cancelled my Essential card. Not using it much anyway apart from the Unicef autodebit.
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My HLBB Air Asia card just approved. So I just cancelled my Essential card. Not using it much anyway apart from the Unicef autodebit.
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since u like HLBB cards.

Why not use their Fortune card... I'm gettign 2k+ cashback form that alone annually... good stuff
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Why u all keep necro this thread every now and then?

So much hate for unicef?
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How about the UNICEF sales staff ah?

Some of them damn annoying. Ambush you and pounce on you.

If I punch them and he gets injured, anything against the law for me?

Asking because one fella actually jumped right in front of me when I was walking. Bodoh betul.
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QUOTE(maxomeara @ Oct 12 2018, 04:01 PM)
Tried to canccel my monthly donation by contacting Hong Leong. But they said we have to inform Unicef if we want to cancel
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Um.... I mean just threaten HLBB  stop the autodebit. If they didnt agree just ask for his name and say you will submit a formal complain to BNM quoting his name....
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I don't think the guy or HLBB will be in trouble though. They will just be the middleman. BNM also got limits.
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I don't think the guy or HLBB will be in trouble though. They will just be the middleman. BNM also got limits.
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HLBB wont be in trouble?

Its MY credit card.. I ask them discontinue payment they refuse? U kidding me?
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HLBB wont be in trouble?

Its MY credit card.. I ask them discontinue payment they refuse? U kidding me?
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Not that big trouble because they already told you to inform Unicef to stop. They're just the in between.
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How about the UNICEF sales staff ah?

Some of them damn annoying. Ambush you and pounce on you.

If I punch them and he gets injured, anything against the law for me?

Asking because one fella actually jumped right in front of me when I was walking. Bodoh betul.
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Lol had this experience yesterday in Sunway Pyramid. I was texting my friend when this guy just went "Hi Sir!" on me. bangwall.gif

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