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post Mar 16 2018, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(Strike @ Mar 15 2018, 09:40 AM)
any proof of this? source?

im not NKF staff

im one of donor

if this is the truth, i wanna stop donate
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....my wife close friend, was one of secretary then. Abuses are quite rampant..... That was more than 10 years ago but not sure now. Are they being audited?
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post Mar 16 2018, 06:04 AM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Mar 16 2018, 12:32 AM)
Report: Cash-strapped UN health agency spends about $200 million a year on travel
The U.N. children's agency UNICEF, which has about 13,000 staffers, said it spent $140 million on global travel in 2016.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-o...-travel-report/

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If you read the article, it was critical of WHO, not UNICEF. Unless you don’t really understand English... It was only quoting UNICEF, as they were spending 140 vs 200 by WHO. Let me know once you found articles that UNICEF is cheating my money i.e more than 80% of my money is not going into their programs, but travelling salary etc etc

Anyway, I’m gonna stop replying here coz I’m still donating to a good cause. If you feel that I’m wrong, to each his own. As long as you donate to any charity, it’s good. If you don’t donate your money at all to any charity, then good for you too.

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smallikanbilis
post Mar 16 2018, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Sep 25 2017, 11:15 PM)
About 70% goes to marketing company, IIRC. Can check out their accounts. They still do it because if there's no marketing, they get even less.
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This is interesting. May I know where can I check their accounts?
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post Mar 16 2018, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(2feidei @ Sep 25 2017, 10:17 PM)
have you check how many % of your monthly donation goes toward the cause, while how many % pay for their marketing staff?
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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Sep 26 2017, 12:00 AM)
If you contribute time, effort, care, food or even money to the local orphanages directly, you know for sure the orphans will benefit.
foreign ngo? pays for their first-class airfare and european salaries
*you can select yapiem, at least you only pay for golf simulator and france wedding course

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OK, some stuff to point out. Look...charities HAVE top operate as for-profit organizations, in many cases. Unless they have a some reliable source of outside funding.

I think its hilarious and rather native that people have expectations that 100% or even close to 90% of the money they donate will go towards the cause that they expect. People seem to have this impression that charities have to be staffed completely by unpaid volunteers and are outraged that there are well paid CEOs or even a marketing department.

Who the hell is volunteering? Are you? C'mon...hands up, who wants to do devote their time and energy to work 40+ hours a week for free? Any takers? No one...as expected...

End of day, charities are run by people who have to be paid well. You can't expect a charity that handles million in donations to be run by someone being paid minimum wage. You want someone competent in charge of the money, and competent people don't come cheap. Salaries often come very close to that of fund managers. This is why charities have to spend so much on payroll. That said, its not just their job to solicit the money. They also have to find ways to grow what they have to ensure funds for the future.

The last time I tried to point this out here, somebody called me a shill who works for charities. He was a fucking idiot. I'm not associated with any nor have I ever worked for one.

But yes, there is such a thing as abuse of trust. So you should only contribute to those that are good accountability and transparency. Just don't be too surprised when you see payroll taking up a huge portion of it.
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post Mar 16 2018, 08:30 AM

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Must make proper audit on them. I dont trust those ngo. Must just work for money
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post Mar 16 2018, 08:38 AM

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I miss alot calls from UNICEF. Doin it on purpose laugh.gif I think better donate to WWF. Wild life > overpopulated human scums.
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post Mar 16 2018, 08:40 AM

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All these r the global rlite's smoke screen eg; UN, unicef ......
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post Mar 16 2018, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(hiyyl @ Mar 16 2018, 08:38 AM)
I miss alot calls from UNICEF. Doin it on purpose laugh.gif I think better donate to WWF. Wild life > overpopulated human scums.
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WWF is just as questionable. Bought their own building.Attached Image

Monfort boys is another one



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post Mar 16 2018, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Mar 16 2018, 08:00 AM)
This is interesting. May I know where can I check their accounts?
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There was an article on this many years ago in the early 2000s when these strategy first appeared here. Can't find it now.

There is a generic one on Australian charities from 2009:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-26/c...g-costs/1117486

Saw a report on UNICEF USA for 2017 and it looks more efficient now:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?...mary&orgid=4617
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post Mar 16 2018, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Mar 16 2018, 08:23 AM)
OK, some stuff to point out. Look...charities HAVE top operate as for-profit organizations, in many cases. Unless they have a some reliable source of outside funding.

I think its hilarious and rather native that people have expectations that 100% or even close to 90% of the money they donate will go towards the cause that they expect. People seem to have this impression that charities have to be staffed completely by unpaid volunteers and are outraged that there are well paid CEOs or even a marketing department.

Who the hell is volunteering? Are you? C'mon...hands up, who wants to do devote their time and energy to work 40+ hours a week for free? Any takers? No one...as expected...

End of day, charities are run by people who have to be paid well. You can't expect a charity that handles million in donations to be run by someone being paid minimum wage. You want someone competent in charge of the money, and competent people don't come cheap. Salaries often come very close to that of fund managers. This is why charities have to spend so much on payroll. That said, its not just their job to solicit the money. They also have to find ways to grow what they have to ensure funds for the future.

The last time I tried to point this out here, somebody called me a shill who works for charities. He was a fucking idiot. I'm not associated with any nor have I ever worked for one.

But yes, there is such a thing as abuse of trust. So you should only contribute to those that are good accountability and transparency. Just don't be too surprised when you see payroll taking up a huge portion of it.
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those most likely the same species that thinks that freelancers should work for free
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post Mar 16 2018, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Mar 16 2018, 09:13 AM)
There was an article on this many years ago in the early 2000s when these strategy first appeared here. Can't find it now.

There is a generic one on Australian charities from 2009:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-26/c...g-costs/1117486

Saw a report on UNICEF USA for 2017 and it looks more efficient now:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?...mary&orgid=4617
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I see. Thank you!
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post Mar 16 2018, 10:52 AM

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I don't support UNICEF...International NGO get paid really well and travel business class whereas me only economy class

Nope, don't support.

But I personally contribute to other local charities, just no support UNICEF. If you guys know how they operate...you will beat your chest
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post Mar 16 2018, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(saikia2046 @ Mar 15 2018, 07:06 AM)
if donate, don't ask how many % goes to the unfortunate one. Even a piece of biscuit reached their hands, there is still better than nothing. We know that nothing is free. Even work for free but how many can afford to buy their own tickets and fly to somewhere to help someone not met before?

The only reason for not donating is stopping their gov to take advantage on the charity organizations for taking care of their citizens, so that they can have more resources to spend on develop weapons or making the rich one become richer.
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True la, someone needs to work for the kids and no one would wanna work for free. Those things need money. I don't mind paying those people to help the kids really.

QUOTE(asphiroth @ Mar 15 2018, 09:11 AM)
yeah i also contribute to budimas also

however how many % goes to the orphanage?
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To be honest I don't know laugh.gif But I do frequent their site and FB page and seeing those kids getting help makes me happy.
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post Mar 16 2018, 11:47 AM

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unicef - marketing looks like munching all the donations
world vision - same lo so famous
unhcr - marketing not weak also

budimas - so so femes , not transparent at all
nkf - rumors 10% donation used on the needed only
old folks home (mostly from ipoh i dont know y) - ppl said is a scam

orphanage or old folks home nearby - heard tht the caretaker will take the money for his own use instead of using it for the facilities
orphange at other places - places look so tidy and nice , sure enough donation already
old folks home looks bad and run down - sure caretaker songlap the donations la

chinese temple run charities - so many staffs , donation all pay salary n build temple lo , where got balance left to the needed?
famous international chinese charity like tzu chi - walao hq in kepong so big , hq temple in taiwan so gorgeous , sure use all the donation build la , i donate for orphan not temple leh

newspaper pleading donation - aiyo so many ppl donate , sure got surplus , then surplus newspaper agency songlap ,
direct donate to stranger on the road - i dont know u also , scam izzit
direct donate to beggar on the road - scam one , all these is syndicate

donation to tsunami in japan / earthquakes in china - walao their country so rich , need us donate meh

all these i had heard so often. then may i ask , what kind of charity u think is PURE enough to donate?

just like every other company , these charity body needs staffs , need place (office) to run. so u think any building out there no need rental? no need pay electricity/utilities? staff no need salary? those staff is immortal who no need to eat or drink? staff dont have family to support?

if u argue , ppl working in these places should demand a minimum wages , then where is their rights? how many of u would work full time for minimal wages in the name of charity? can u survive with that?

as long as they try to use as much % of donation to the needed , then it had done its job. your donation is meant to cover all these. if you are saying unicef and world vision staff should not be paid , then you should have said those supplying food and medicine should also be free.

airline should not charge a cent. transportation should not cost a cent. unicef building should be free , built and give by developer. then who needs your donation?

unless you are donating millions , to those who just donate a rm38 per mth , pls dont justify as if they scam you purposely. your rm38 is not that big.

of course when thousand of ppl donating , the amount bcome huge. thts the point , we contribute little to as much as we can / willing to afford. let them do what they can to help the needed.

all the excuses i heard , i really felt that its just another reason for cheapskate to avoid donating and at the same time wanna proof he is right.

i had been donating to unicef , unhcr , budimas , world vision for years. yes sometimes i think they should save some cost like instead posting updates , they could just have e-mail me.

im not sure how many % they used for what. but at least i knew i did my part.

if these were really scams , i rather being scam by these than those ppl walking in restaurant telling me he havent ate for days.
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post Mar 16 2018, 11:49 AM

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The donation mostly will used for staff, cost of website, promotion as in ads and etc.

The fortunate one maybe just getting 5 to 10%
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post Mar 16 2018, 01:06 PM

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If want to donate, give direct to Institute Jantung Negara. They are doing a lot of good for malaysian.
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:53 PM

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sorry to necrothread, anyway to cancel the monthly donation ? i think it is more better to do volunteer work rather than donating money
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:55 PM

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Most donation are scams anyways. Only small portion goes to the intended recipient.
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post Jul 3 2018, 06:37 PM

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so according to /k, if want to start making donation, which organization should i donate to?

Im thinking to start monthly contribution to Unicef but seems a lot of negative feedback here..
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post Jul 3 2018, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(killeralta @ Sep 25 2017, 10:15 PM)
So feel like stopping the monthly donation to UNICEF Malaysia, Its suppose to help undeprivilage Malaysia / orang asli Kids and not for refugees kids leh.
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this is the good move

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