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post Jun 10 2020, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Jun 10 2020, 02:02 PM)
Any comment/review on Samsung 65" TU8500? Not much review can be found online, nearest would be TU8000 which is deemed good "jack of all trade" budget TV. Thanks.
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Samsung has renamed their Premium UHD models and for 2020 we get the Crystal UHD naming which in all honesty feels more catchy even if their capabilities are far less capable than the Quantum Dots. The TU8500 is the highest Crystal TV you can find while it has only been announced for the UK and European markets. The first major change we find in the TU8500 is the use of Dynamic Crystal Display technology instead of Quantum Dots which means less accurate color reproduction. The TV is also less brightness capable according to the given rating.

Another downgrade we find is the use of the Crystal Processor 4K which comes with further reduced capabilities. Everything else is similar to the Q60T with the same audio system and smart functionality including Tizen and all it’s services.
Specifications

4K UHD resolution (3,840 x 2,160)
Dynamic Crystal Display technology
Dual LED backlighting
HDR
HDR10+, HDR10 and HLG support
Crystal Processor 4K
2CH 20W / Adaptive Sound
Game Enhancer, Multi-View, Ambient Mode
3 x HDMI / 2 x USB
ARC / eARC
WiFi, Bluetooth v4.2
Tizen smart platform
OneRemote

TU8500 got dual led function, which tu8000 less. Samsung's new Dual LED technology, which adjusts the backlight's color tone according to the content, may have improved the contrast ratio, but there's no way for us to be certain.

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post Jun 10 2020, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Jun 10 2020, 02:41 PM)
Would very much like to hear your views on GZ1000 vs C9 vs A8G?
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IF you are movie purist , want to get best color accuracy out of box. Get both hdr 10 + & dolby vison format . got best quality of low-bit video streaming content playback performance, you should chose GZ1000. If you are heavy gamer, need hdmi 2.1 feature , better chose c9. I won't choose Sony a8g because Sony dolby vison using low latency version not as good as panasonic & LG which had dedicated chips for dolby vison. some more, A8G only equip with old 4K HDR Processor X1™ Extreme , not flagship Processor X1™ultimate. So only HDMI ports 2 & 3 support the full bandwidth of HDMI 2.0. Unlike the X950G and A9G.
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post Jun 10 2020, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Jun 10 2020, 02:54 PM)
Thanks. Pretty much summarizes my research on this model. I think the main question is, would this TV be a reasonable purchase for less than RM4k, or is there better model to consider?
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Better get last year 2019 model . Price Will be cheaper. If you don't care HDR content. Any TV should do good Job.
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post Jun 15 2020, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Macrusin @ Jun 14 2020, 01:42 PM)
I got offer by Senheng
Sony KD65A8G

RM 10,700 and got member point RM 1,070.
Mean this oled Tv around cost me RM 9,630

While the LG c9 65inch need around 13k.

Sony is built is android tv, LG is web os developed by them but has mouse cursor feature in remote.

I can’t really tell the color between these 2 models. I was told by the salesperson in senheng, Sony is tends to more natural color and LG is more vivid and saturated.

Anyone here who own Oled can give me suggestions?
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If you don't care hdmi 2.1 feature & brighter HDR effect , don't need more than 2 hdmi 2.0 port. You should get more natural & cheaper Sony A8G which got android.

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post Jun 15 2020, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Jun 15 2020, 01:07 PM)
I am looking to buy 65 inch tv. I read finish the forum until dizzy. So went to shop to see myself the quality, but no much choices to compare.

I understand from forum and the following is preferred?

Sony KD65X8000G
Panasonic GX740
I saw from the shop 65UM7290PTD looks not bad, any worth ?

Budget Around RM 4K to 5K

Any advice ? Might grab one after salary 😅
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I will choose GX740. Because it support dolby vison & hdr10+. This feature only high end lg & Sony tv got.
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post Jun 15 2020, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Jun 15 2020, 02:01 PM)
that would mean you have to have Chromecast device. Or a TV with Chromecast built in?

I seen people using the tv remote and the inputting of text is really pain taking. almost dinosaur age.
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This is youtube app feature. when you open youtube app in your phone & TV same time which share with same internet account. You can easily cast your youtube content to your TV. no need chromecast. Even non android base TV also got this feature if you got youtube app inside TV or media player. If your TV got voice input, if you set your youtube language to Chinese, you can speak mandarin to search youtube content in Chinese.

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post Jun 15 2020, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Jun 15 2020, 02:32 PM)
If Android TV OS ( true Google certified ), 99% confirmed have Chromecast build in.
Ya, I was surprise my Samsung ( non Android TV OS ) can do that for Youtube  biggrin.gif  From Android or Windows also can cast.
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Because Samsung Hand phone is android base. If you android handphone got wireless mirror mode, also easy to cast you hand phone content to Samsung TV.
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post Jun 15 2020, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 15 2020, 02:38 PM)
my cikai eyes seems that LG OLED color can be good enough. samsung qled macam more saturated to my eyes.
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This is because Samsung TV dynamic mode is over-saturate. IF you ask them to switch to movie mode. You may feel samsung tv color under saturated. Samsung need to heavy calibrated to get correct color to please your eye. So oled is always better choice for picture quality to please our eye, even in over-saturate vivid mode.

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post Jun 15 2020, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 15 2020, 03:19 PM)
i am always on cinema or cinema home mode. Vivid mode is very eye candy to my eyes, but i felt tiring after watching it for sometimes. is like feeding u sweets until u sugar rush over rush lol.
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Best use one accuracy d65 picture mode for all content. So I only use movie mode which disable all picture enhance mode, sharpness to 0, motion processing off, warm 2 color space for all my ps4 ,switch gaming & movie, youtube content.

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post Jun 15 2020, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 15 2020, 06:58 PM)
That is not a problem exclusive to Samsung's TV . All TV brands have a mega over-saturated Dynamic /Vivid mode .
These "QLED" has a weakness  of not able to fully tame its massive colors spectrum but undersaturated is not one of them .
Samsung's Flagship TVs  has a movie mode that is fairly accurate , far more than a certain ABC brands I won't be naming here .
What is not accurate is their PQ adherence  . Since PQ is absolute , it is hard to calibrate your TV to exact same level as PQ chart . 

The wRGB OLED TV is losing color saturation at brighter colors is not exactly a secret .
The problem lies with sites like rtings when people tend to throw their numbers around like swinging a sword , often end up hurting themself more than not .
You see the DCI coverage numbers from rtings on OLED TV - 98 % ! 
And then you look at the Quantum Dots LCD , only 95% ? Woohoo OLED Wins , amirite ?

Does that DCI chart from rting tell you the whole story ? Not at all , not even close .
Those numbers are 2D measurement but the color spectrum is a 3D monster . They are not representative of how your TV will perform .
If the 2D color coverage is not that important , why not just focus on the MDC test ? Because it is very difficult to measure color volume . 

Typically we only take 8 measurement or so for the Color Gamut . For Color Volume we have to do hundreds of them.
(We now have MDC from Dolby Lab that can measure color saturation up to 10000 cd/m2 on Rec.2100 )

In a MDC test of 1000 cd/m2 ,  we can use a very loose number to tell the difference.

A wRGB OLED can show roughly 300 ~ 400 millions colors .
A Quantum Dots TV with 2000 cd/m2 such as those Vizio Quantum and Q95T can do 800 millions +, possibly way more due to limited size samples .

[Note :  this is assuming all test is done on 10% window where LCD is typically brighter at 15-25 % and OLED is brightest at 3% , all pixels have 10 bit color component .
Barring these numbers , there is a lot more color science involved behind the scene , I am not explaining that on a forum .)
This indicate a TV with high brightness isn't just a screen with dazzling lights , they also have a whole new world of color saturation range that is wider than wRGB OLED .

Note : To those who complain about 2000 cd/m2 being too bright , remember they are talking about an additive color system . The brightest white of 2000 nits , does not mean TV is going to show you 2000 nits of colors  .
Brightest peak of white consist of 3 other separate primary colors , namely Red , Green and Blue . As a result , a pure saturated blue may just end up to be around 200 nits on a display of 2000 nits peak . 
Now imagine your OLED TV may be struggling to reproduce 200 nits of 100% saturated blue .

I am sure a lot of the OLED elitist ( like I once was ) will tell you perfect black makes everything .
True that the perfect black will leverage some of the shortcoming but what about scenes with a lot of bright area ?

On high APL ( > 70% ) scenes , where you will find a noticeable difference in movies that has such as the fairly recent Maleficent 2 , where it looks quite a bit paler on a wRGB OLED .
Or you can try playing the same movie on your Samsung S20 or Iphone , you just cannot get the same level of vibrancy on OLED TV .
OLED TVs ( the panels manufactured by LGD specifically ) has hit the roadbloack in terms of Picture Quality for several years now . The LCDs , however are improving to close the gap every year .

In the past few years , they have introduced wide angles optical filters ( not perfect but an innovation regardless ) , achieve an even higher level of sustainable brightness , dual layer LCD with light compensation technique ( not the same as those you found on mid-range Samsung TV ) , a more advanced algorithm of Local Dimming that does not need to rely on numbers of dimming zones , VRR ( they have it before the OLEDs ) ...

I have always adore the self emissive screens , from good old plasma to OLEDs .

As I see it now , there is a spot for the OLEDs and a spot for the Quantum LCDs .

OLED TV is no doubt a masterpiece for SDR stuff . But its HDR performance could use more improvement , including the less than ideal dark gray performance .
This give us a reason to wait for LG to announce its top emission transition every year , and the new Quantum Blue OLEDs from Samsung .
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Very good dci coverage information for tv. I always enjoy high nits video demo at my qled. Especially, after
2 point & 20 point white balance , custom color space adjustment . Become more shadow detail & more lively color than default.

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post Jul 11 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(kohho @ Jul 11 2020, 01:42 PM)
Are there other recommendations beside this?
That's way off my budget. add another 2k+ and can get a OLED samsung 65".

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You can top up 2k+ get last year 65" q90r, This is last year flagship samsung 4k qled . This is far better TV than sony 900H , retail price rm18999. now you can get it with price rm10599. OR you also can get samsung 65 q80T 2020 year tv also better than 900H.

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post Jul 11 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(kohho @ Jul 11 2020, 02:54 PM)
I really cant imagine spending 10k on a TV tbh. I still have other parts of the house for renovation  cry.gif
so tryna get the best choices according to my budget and my limited knowledge on TVs  notworthy.gif
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Sony 900H still best value tv if you care about HDR performance. Other tv which lower cost than x900H, you will get terrible HDR experience.
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post Jul 11 2020, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ Jul 11 2020, 03:17 PM)
Sony  900H  still best value tv if you care about HDR performance. Other tv  which  lower cost than x900H, you will get terrible HDR  experience.
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This example of terrible Hdr performance due to poor local dimming or no local dimming feature .

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post Jul 15 2020, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(neekun @ Jul 14 2020, 10:08 PM)
Any one using Samsung QLED q95t? Hope to get some opinion on this.
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This one of experienced calibrator call Convael in this forum comment.

"If you must get the best LCD TV , get Q95T .

I dare say the Samsung Q95T is currently the best HDR experience MY has ever seen .
Find yourself a demo TV from best denki , ask them to run a couple of HDR clips for you .
Some of my favorite ones are from Guardian of Galaxy 2 & Valerian City of Thousands Planet .

Massive amount of color volume , coupled with a very sophisticated blooming suppression that rival even the legendary Sony Z9D .
You just cannot buy the same level of HDR impact anywhere else .

Considering the fact that the Q95T ( 65" ) is a MUCH brighter than even the Z9D and able to consistently maintain over 2000 nits of peak brightness , that is big compliment .

Perhaps Samsung has finally realized it is not the number of zones that makes the difference but the algorithm .

Plus they are adhering to the standard of PQ more accurately compare to last year , still not perfect but definitely a great start towards the right direction .
All of that , with an addition of the best screen coating in business , it helps to increase the perceived contrast in a room with ambient lights .

The only problem is there is a slight issues with uneven black levels in gaming mode but that is not a dealbreaker as this isn't visible in other viewing modes .

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QUOTE(dex-brz @ Jul 15 2020, 01:04 PM)
no Dolby Vision support...big let down for Home Cinema fans (4K UHDs)
price similar/expensive than OLED.... sweat.gif
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But for high nits hdr video, I still prefer qled. Got Wow factor, even in bright living room.


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post Jul 15 2020, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(neekun @ Jul 15 2020, 02:59 PM)
Looking at LG OLED65CXPTA, the tv on stand is too low thus a soundbar with height of 6cm would be blocking the view  sad.gif
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Use wall-mounted TV can solve your problem. Or buy some short rack raise up your tv.
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post Jul 16 2020, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Jul 16 2020, 07:17 AM)
IMO, generally the most natural looking are the Panasonic, I felt even more so than the Sonys. Which means they are less vivid and often doesn't stands out in a brightly lighted showroom. So many people will ignore the Panasonic and go for the Samsung/LG instead.
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Because before 2019 model, Panasonic tv don't support dolby vison, some more launch time new Panasonic tv is late in Malaysia compare to other brand tv , that's mean Panasonic TV price will be higher than other brand tv which start to drop the price. People care about the price & feature, will naturally choose LG oled fist. That is why LG oled become very popular brand in Malaysia. But Panasonic TV color accuracy still very good out of the box without calibration. You are correct, Panasonic are less vivid compare to LG vivid mode in the store.

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QUOTE(panafone @ Jul 16 2020, 01:57 PM)
I think it depends on your room and usage. My TV room has lots of windows for a more spacious and airy feel. So for daytime viewing, a brighter TV is better especially for HDR content (4k blurays).

At night, we close the blinds but still have the lights on. Some people like to watch in dim or no lights but we have children and love to snack while watching.

I have a Samsung TV and although it's not calibrated, the movie preset is not bad imho. Plus, I think it's easier to have a bright TV and reduce the brightness if needed than try to increase it on a dimmer model.

On a side note, i'm thinking of upgrading to the Samsung Q80T. Anybody have any experience with this model?
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Q80t is the second best samsung 4k led tv at 2020. Got good review but if you don't care hdmi 2.1 feature earc, or gaming for future console like ps5. You can get 2019 q90r in same price which is better picture quality.

q80t-qled review


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post Aug 4 2020, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(razkal @ Aug 4 2020, 03:36 PM)
X90H vs Q80T. Which ia better for 55 inch ? Should I look at oled option
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For most uses, the Samsung Q80T is better than the Sony X900H. The Q80T has a faster response time, lower input lag, making it a better option for gaming. The Q80T also gets brighter in HDR content to make highlights pop and its reflection handling is significantly better. However, the X900H has a higher contrast ratio, better local dimming.
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QUOTE(Scrappy CoCo @ Aug 4 2020, 04:20 PM)
Hi Sifus,

I'm newbie to tech thingy.
Looking for 65" tv to be place in my living room, which is pretty bright in day time.

My budget is roughly RM5k to RM6k.

Been eyeing for these 2 models; Panasonic 65GX800K & LG 65NANO81TNA which of these better in terms of performance?

Mainly for movie purpose + music (to purchase sound system when have budget =.=)

Please advice sifus. Thanks!
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GET Sony x900H, Better than the 2 models. price is 5999 in desa.

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