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tcb2010
post Apr 30 2018, 02:08 PM

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Hi Sifus,

My bike is Dahon Vitesse 2016 Model i think.
Yesterday i encounter a creaking noise when i push the bike fwd and apply front brake. Its also creaks when i hold the front brake and nudge the bike fwd and back. My initial thought was the the handlepost joint or headset might be loosen in due time and needs retighten.

I did a handlepost screw tightening bout 2 years ago, following guidance from sifus here, when my handle was rocking a bit then.

This time its a creaking sound and handle minute movement when front braking. Tighten up the handle post, fix the loose handle issue, but creaking is still present. Drip a bit of oil into the handlepost and Headset, still creaks.

Then i folded the bike and noticed the joint mechanism seem to have paints rub off the face of the joint ( metal and metal clamping together), which is much more prevalent this time then i last remember. Applied some grease on the 2 spots, tighten the clamping screw and sound is gone.

The question now is:

1) Does our bike periodically need to tighten the clasp body joint, Handle post joint and Headset?

2) The paint wear off in the frame joint..is it normal wear and tear?

3) Does dripping a little oil into the headset causes any problem?

Thx in advance for your advice and comments.


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post Apr 30 2018, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(fatani @ Apr 30 2018, 02:37 PM)
im no sifu, but from my experience:

1. Yes. the main cause is probably road vibration. that nut on handlepost clamp always need re-tightening after some time. we can notice this when try to lock and unlock the clamp. if the clamp feels a bit loose, it's time to turn that nut anticlockwise a little. my dahon do suffer this minor issue.

2. yes. probably caused by the frame flex, and over tightened case.

3. no idea. but i guess it should be ok. all i know is that it should be greased.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thx Fatani,

1) So overtime, if we keep tightened, will comes a point we can't tighthen anymore the screws..what then?

2) I dont have the skills to dismantle the headset, thus thought some slight oil for quick fix..only to find out its the frame joint that creaks.

So, most of the time when the handle feels a bit loose, its the handle post that needs tightening, not headset, right?
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post Apr 30 2018, 03:11 PM

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Hi guys,

Another question on maintenance..Have u tried the Simple Green Bike Cleaner and Degreaser, for cleaning the chain, gears and chain ring gunks?
If yes, how do you go about it...., spray, let it soaked and blast off with water.

I intend to do it in a least hassle way without dismantling the chains, derailleurs, chainring and sprockets...in short..everything in tact..
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post May 1 2018, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(fatani @ Apr 30 2018, 09:39 PM)
I dont think we need to dismantle everything just to clean the chain. Some people dismantle the chain. Some just remove the rear wheel and use chain hanger. Some use the chain cleaner tool. Some just wax their chain like mr kenc.

For me, if i rajin, i took off the the rear wheel, put on a chain hanger, and use the chain cleaning tools. If i malas, i just let it be, spray all purpose cleaner, and use tootbrush to clean the pulley and the chain. Done! smile.gif
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Thx Fatani and Ken,

I went the lazyman way..degreasing and hosedown without dismantling..but i scrub the sprockets good and proper and i think i screwed the back hub now, probably the crank square taper bottom bracket. There is now some creaky and grindy tiny noise when i pedal..
I think i might have either got the gunks into the hub, or bottom bracket..i cant tell which 100%..
However, when i push the bike fwd with hand, i can hear tiny grindy sound from the back wheel..so, more likely the back hub is shot..

Hub service is needed now i guess.
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post May 1 2018, 11:21 PM

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Sifus,

Question on crank set..mine dahon is with square taper bracket. Does changing to a hollowtech kind bottom bracket and crank, like the litepros..gives any significant performance gain and lighter?
The litepros crank and bottom bracket sure looks much sexier for sure than my stock crank.
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post May 1 2018, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ May 1 2018, 11:42 PM)
i am no sifu
but changing to hollowtech crank does make a different. how much the different?depends on ur budget.

lighter?the lighter ur bike setup, the more lighter ur wallet i can say laugh.gif

performance does improve. but there also a good perfomance square taper bb that feels like hollowtech (price like a new hollowtech crank) if u insist on staying on the current crank.
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Thx azam,
Just wanna know if its worth changing to newer hollow brackets, in performance gain. Does it gives better freespin, like lesser effort to pedal.?
Im looking for more budget upgrade, like the litepros crankset all in bicyclebuyandsell website. Not looking at those ultegra ot higher end cranks set.
The stock single chainring looks darn pretty heavy and not attractive.













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post May 2 2018, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 2 2018, 04:07 PM)
Yes.

you'll definitely notice the effect of the reduced weight on your bike's rolling parts. if you put ceramic bb, i think the litepro's crankset is probably lighter than the stock 105 crankset. Just don't lose the crank nut, otherwise u'll get headache trying to get the replacement parts sweat.gif

btw, both of my fb i installed litepro's crankset. but somehow the diameter of the crank nut is different. one is M18, and the other one seems to have even smaller diameter.

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Thx Fatani,

Probably the price of Litepro cranks at Bicyclebuysell can get me a new Tiagra crank as well, but to me Litepro looks so much nicer on FB. The color and design, tho Tiagra could be better quality?
Im actually thinking of just getting the single chainring Litepro, since my bike is 8 spd only...or can i buy the double chainring, and remove the inner ring..just in case wanna go 2x8 in the future.

Another question, my derailleur is 105 mid length i think ( how to differentiate huh)..can it be use for say 11-34/11-36 sprockets ? Worried it might be too short. Mine is 8 speeder on 11-32 now.
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post May 3 2018, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 2 2018, 10:59 PM)
"Not attractive" is the most ligit reason for changing your Crankset. Others are just excuses… LOL. While you are at it, might as well change to a correct chainring teeth number for your fitness level.
I swear by my ancestors' graves I change my Crankset because they are ugly.
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Yeah ken, thats the other way of looking at it..smaller chain ring instead of more back teeth.
But then again..bigger chainring more attractive looking, eh biggrin.gif
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post May 3 2018, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 2 2018, 09:28 PM)
Tiagra largest i think is 52-36. Litepro 53-39. Single chainring of coz got larger. And im guessing is both of litepro's single or double chainrings are using the same crankarm. Durability, hard to beat a Shimano.

The challenge with your setting is, is the chainring going to be compatible with your chain?

11-36 is already in the long cage category.
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Dont quite get u on that chainring compatible issue...im currently using 9 speed chain on my 8 speed, with 53t chainring.
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post May 3 2018, 01:29 AM

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Azam,
If ur friend is as hard riding like u, i would say 3 years useful life of the litepro is already money well spent!! My kinda riding probably gonna last me 30 years!!
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post May 3 2018, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 3 2018, 09:14 AM)
llitepro's chainring are for 9/10 speed. if u say your 9 speed chain works on on your 8 speed components, then probably it should works too on your future chainring. i've got bad experience mixing those components before. but maybe mine was the case from 8 to 10 speed. so compatibility issue did arise. mega_shok.gif
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Ok..Fatani..got what u meant now..

I didnt know that Chainrings are speed rated as well...Now that get me thinking how about those <53T chainring compatibility
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post May 3 2018, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 3 2018, 04:56 PM)
Chainring is not no concern with what speed chain. It's the Front derailleur that you need to be careful.
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If im gonna choose a smaller Single Chain Ring..then will likely eliminate most issues. No worries on shorter cage Derailleur cant work with large 11-34 cogs either, no worries on front derailleurs..
Probably the best route to choose, since my fitness level can't max out the 53T x 11T combo anytime soon..except going downhill.

However, i dont see any attractive Single Litepros Cranksets which has lesser than 53T being sold yet in BBS. Minimum 53T
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post May 5 2018, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 2 2018, 05:52 PM)
You did not kill your hub. You degreased and washed off the lube in your hub…
Look up YouTube for tutorial showing you how to lube your hub...

Bicycle are ultra robust… 100years of existence has its strength.
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Sifus,
My hub is koyak..bring to two LBS, one tried to service it, the other said its a goner..sigh. An replacing a decent good hub, probably gonna cost almost a whole wheelset change.
Not to mention getting foldie parts in kuantan almost next to impossible.

Now im considering to changeto a budget decent wheelset..and i came to know about litepro k fun seem like a value for money better than stock dahon wheelset.
Any more suggestions to this price range of wheelsets, and are these budget wheelsets much better than stock dahon wheelsets..mine is Vitesse model, so likely its at the very low range performance group.

Just didnt expect these hubs can koyak so easily..and im not even an avid rider..just casual rider.
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Im actually thinking of just getting the single chainring Litepro, since my bike is 8 spd only...or can i buy the double chainring, and remove the inner ring..just in case wanna go 2x8 in the future.

I ask the above question earlier, but dont think got an answer for it yet..is it workable to remove the smaller chainring of a tiagra or 105 crank, and use as single? Any special chainring nuts to be changed as well..thx
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post May 6 2018, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ May 6 2018, 04:26 PM)
if u plan to used single chainring,
better buy single with chainguard. litepro got it, and ur chain will not drop easily.

if ur planning on using double chainring crank, just dont remove the small chainring coz it would be handy sometimes. u never know when u gonna face the toughest hill. besides, u can manually change from bigger chainring to small chainring anytime with dirty hand laugh.gif i used it last time bcoz no money to install fd.

if u buy the double chainring crank and still need to remove the chainring, u need to find the correct length of bolts to fix that single chainring. there is another way u can used spacers without to change any bolts also.

as for wheelset, the litepro kfun is a good wheelset, 24mm rim profile. its better than ur stock vittese since using sealed bearings.and the rear hub if im not mistaken is identical or should i say oem of novatech hub. novatech hub got so many spareparts.

other than that, u can scout for ruitto wheelset. the low profile 24mm one and sealed bearings. its on par with litepro, also the spoke is nice.but its hard to find locally unless in taobao.

another brand is onka. 30mm wheelprofile with smooth rolling sealed beaeings feel than the litepro,but i saw nowdays also very hard to find.

i hope i answer all of ur question coz im no sifu, just share my expirience.
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Thx azam for the comprehensive reply. I would have look at taobao, but the lack of mandarin knowledge prevented me from buying there so far. I saw lots of litepro stuffs in aliexpress, but not too sure if all those there are original litepros.Any experience buying from Aliexpress for bike stuffs?
Ur suggestion of using and leaving the double second chainring on is good, lesser hassle and im not too worry of chaindrop as i have that tern chain device clam on to my frame.
Now i will need to decide to go for litepros single or using shimanos like tiagras and 105 crankset, as likely the price is lebih kurang.

Will seek out the wheelsets u suggested, and if not, ur recommendation of kfun is good enuff for me.
Thx a lot.
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post May 7 2018, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 7 2018, 12:44 AM)
Lite pro is just another glorified chap ayam… cantik punya chap ayam… if you really serious about Crankset , get shimano, SRAM, campagnolo, FSA, or even LTWoo…
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Yeah la Ken, pasal cantik and single chainring..thats why consider the litepro. The shimanos neva come across a nice looking single chainring. If double, then shimano likely gets my vote.
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post May 7 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 7 2018, 02:58 PM)
i"ll vote for RT. smooth rolling, lightweight, and reasonable price (taobao).
k-fun is lighter than dahon stock wheelset, rolling also ok lah. produce tame sound.
onka is still available at one LBS here in melaka (406, 74-100mm). New old stock. price oso cheap. hi-profile, aero spoke. but the downside is it's quite heavy too (1.7 kg without the skewer). sweat.gif
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Hi Fatani,

Is that picture an Onka? Cheap means how much is it? Cheaper than Kfun? Heavy, can it be any heavier than stock Dahon?

Any recommended TaoBao seller for foldie parts? Looks like i have to venture to beyond local ( can't read chinese, thus no TaoBao for me so far)
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post May 7 2018, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 7 2018, 03:36 PM)
yes. that's an Onka. yes, much cheaper than k fun. am not too sure what's the weight of the original dahon wheelset, but for onka's 1.8kg (incl skewer), it's a bit heavy for me. not that i can't cycle with that load, but i prefer to conserve my energy so that i can ride longer distance in a shorter amount of time. btw, the hub is silent type.

i oso am never a user of taobao (same prob like yours). my friend help me to get those items from that website.

if u prefer the k-fun wheelset, no need to order from taobao ler. got one local seller selling it for rm420 (almost similar to taobao price edi). i bought from him last time. too eager to get the wheelset that time that i can't hold my patience to wait for the longer delivery by taobao.
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So far i cant find the kfun for that price in BBS..its close to rm600 and that without QR skewer yet. Mine to share that seller?
Btw, Whats the weight of Kfun set plus skewer.. around 1.5kg..
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post May 27 2018, 11:17 PM

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Hi sifus,

Regarding our folding bike brake and shifter cables on a dahon vitesse:

1) Is it feasible to usemore budget ones like brakco or others, instead of jagwire, without sacrificing much smoothness

2) How many rolls or length are needed for 2 brakes and 1 rear derailleur only

3) What about those yarn braided cables kind..soft feeling ones..are those mainly for looks?

Appreciate some input on this...thx
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post May 31 2018, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 29 2018, 04:38 PM)
Tcb2010 ask for owner review, not where to buy.
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Yeah Ken,

Seeking some user experience and feedback on the brake/shift cables, wanna exploit lower cost alternatives, as i have no experience in this cables. Jagwires seem very expensive (some affordable , some expensive) and wonder if i actually needed to spend so much on these cables without loosing too much in smoothness. My Dahon seem to come with Jagwires, probably lower entry level cables..

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