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S3phiroth
post Nov 12 2017, 06:31 PM

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No more bonus for <50km distance. Guess I wont go airport anymore.
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post Nov 12 2017, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(willemng @ Nov 12 2017, 08:56 PM)
Aiya bullshit again.

Wanna increase minimum rating but dont wanna compulsory
give rider to rate.

Wondering how many are going to be banned next week
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Sooner or later they will increase the HG incentive or flexi bonus requirement to 4.8.

Mark my words.

P/S: u guys do know that they purposely hire a data scientis recently to screw us to the max right?

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post Nov 14 2017, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Nov 14 2017, 03:21 PM)
hope it is purely speculate
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Wont be far from fact even if it is a speculation. Really no idea how flexi can survive if petrol keeps going up.
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post Nov 16 2017, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(suka123 @ Nov 16 2017, 03:47 PM)
Just fetch one rider to LKW Uni. So many drivers camping here!!!

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Seldom camp Cyberjaya area, anyone can suggest other area?

Waited for 15mins but got no ping...
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Short trip + no jam heaven here.

Many of those who come back from kila go cyberjaya/putrajaya too.

Consider yourself lucky if less than 20 cars waiting.

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post Nov 26 2017, 06:36 PM

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I was trying to have some fun by using free modded app but then found out it didnt not really work. Therefore i decided to stop driving for a while to learn to reverse engineer the app myself. Btw i do have some cracking experience in pc software and http/https data sniffing technique so all i need to do is to pick up some knowledge in mobile app development and its assembly language. Now i can peep into the code and understand what it really does at the back.

You guys always says that someone steal your job but the fact is it is the app that design to screw you.

You think crap understand the impact of high petrol price to the drivers hence they increase the base fare? The truth is they also round down the fare instead of round up when the basic fare is above certain threshold.

Actual pickup distance is too far from what the app estimated? It is not because they use a straight line for measurement but the real estimated distance is actually given in range. For example, x - y km where x is the minimum estimated distance while y is the maximum estimated distance. They just decided not to let you see the max distance.

Btw i can now set the app to avoid all far pickup and grabshare and see all hidden info. I can bypass the ar calculation if i want to.

Ps: 1)They do have a food delivery function in the app. It is call crapfood. Seriously? Crapfood? Cant they get a better name?
2) they do have a set destination feature like uber.
3) they read your sms. So uber dual factor authentication is useless.



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post Nov 26 2017, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Nov 26 2017, 06:37 PM)
can confirm.. who says you need rooted phone to use modded app? still get stolen pings weekly as are few others here as well.
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You cant login via modded app without using a rooted phone.
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post Nov 26 2017, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(SabunDettol @ Nov 26 2017, 06:45 PM)
Won't the system able to flag if you only get small fares without sacrificing ar?
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I dont intend to cheat AR as i am a flexi. The only thing i hate the most is far pickup and gs.
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post Nov 27 2017, 04:12 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 27 2017, 12:41 AM)
The set destination is coming soon apps, does they have authority to read sms on iPhone as well?

Seriously i would want to know how is the coding of the calculation of the fare, thank you for sharing as well notworthy.gif
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not sure about ios because i didnt try to reverse engineer it.

Actual fare = (basic fare + distance x price per km) x surge multiplier + demand surchange.

Round up the actual fare if below RM ? and round down if above RM ?. Not sure about the exact threshold figure, yet.

Of course you wont see the actual number in your booking history because they modify it to fit the fare amount you see on screen.

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post Nov 27 2017, 05:35 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Nov 27 2017, 04:29 AM)
Can Grab really detect rooted phones? Since some people are still complaining about stolen pings, there must be a way for the modded apps to fool the server into thinking it is not a rooted phone, right?
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Yes they can detect rooted phone but it doesnt take a genius to bypass it. However no one stole your ping. It is how the app was designed to do a tamper-proof function but the side effect is u get screw if their server is overloaded or internet connection in between your phone and their server is not good hence causing a time lag. For instance, a job assignment ping has a expiry timestamp of 10:00:15 but your phone only receive it at 10:00:14 then you only have 1sec left before the lock.

Just think about it. Why would the job "stealing" still happens despite many driver complained about it? They did a lot of things to prevent cheating but why job stealing still remains unfixed? Why would i steal your job when i know how to prevent AR from dropping? The last thing I want is for you as a victim to expose me for stealing your job, right? Even if I can really hack the server to steal your job, why would I bother to send the ping to you 1st before routing the job to me? Dont you think it saves a lot of potential problems by stealing it before everyone else?

Oh wait, let me guess, those who encountered job "stealing" happened during peak hour (this causes high server load too!), using a lousy 4G service provider or getting ping at places where the 4G signal reception is bad, right?

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post Nov 27 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(starex80 @ Nov 27 2017, 08:32 AM)
Great man that you able sniff inside the code?
Can we reverse engineer the normal apps or mod apps?

Why they can c our message? This is invade privacy men...
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Reverse engineering is easy with a right tool. The hard part is interpret the code you got from it.

You do know that you gave them consent to invade your privacy the moment you signed up, right?

QUOTE(moosekaka @ Nov 27 2017, 09:14 AM)
OK makes sense....but in that case how those modded apps are able to select and reject jobs without AR dropping?  rclxub.gif Are they stealing at the server side or is the AR calculation not tamper-proof? and even if bypass on client side, surely server side can see that the job was not accepted right?
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I'll keep this sensitive info to myself. whistling.gif

All I can say is AR is calculated by server. You can prove it by enable the flight mode the moment you receive a job ping and uninstall the app in order to make sure that server does not receive a ignored job feedback. Once you install back the app then you will notice that your lose some AR.

QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 27 2017, 09:41 AM)
Trust me i kena snatch job by those modded apps somewhere in July.

Once ping come in ringtone ring, enter the apps supposingly can get 15 seconds to accept, but the entire screen is locked and unable to do anything until 15 seconds is gone, the next thing is your AR drop after that.

I can vouched that 4g is working well at Mont Kiara that time, never one time encounter such problem at there using Celcom.
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You can still get a delayed ping if the server is overloaded or the network problem is on their side.
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post Nov 28 2017, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Nov 28 2017, 04:51 PM)
this is 2 billion USD silicon valley wannabe company.. everything SHOULD be online!
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Nov 28 2017, 04:53 PM)
No.. this is $2 billion Ah Beng conned Silicon Valley investors company...
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What else can you expect?

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The lowest level of food chain...
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post Nov 28 2017, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Aizat_897 @ Nov 28 2017, 05:09 PM)
Guys..this morning got a small incident where i didnt collect the fare from the rider..its a rm9 trip..i dont have cash change bciz its still early inth emorning..he showed me 50 note..end up i just let him ride for free coz dun want to wasting time to work..then i ended up key in rm0 fare..is it the correct way?
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I always prepare RM10 x 10 pcs, RM5 x 10pcs and RM1 x 10pcs. So far no problem.
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post Nov 28 2017, 07:42 PM

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Saw this is facebook.

Jialat already, sure cant claim insurance.


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post Nov 28 2017, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(willemng @ Nov 28 2017, 10:31 PM)
May the force be with you,  to claim insurance
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Touch woods, not me! It is really unwise to earn rm350 only but risk losing the insurance claims.

Imagine u hit a luxury car and the owner claims rm100k against u but the insurance company dont want to pay.
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post Nov 29 2017, 08:15 AM

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either crap gamed me or someone found a way to modify the fare. ranting.gif

5.4km according to google map. it was rm7 when i tried to book the same pickup/dropoff.
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post Nov 29 2017, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(jusbella @ Nov 29 2017, 08:17 AM)
Should be server issue or bugs.

Grab already take effort to block / avoid modded app.
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It is not a bug if you cant reproduce the same result.

Their effort is just not enough. Amateur like me can break their security within a week. Guess how long a pro needed?
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post Nov 29 2017, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(j4net @ Nov 29 2017, 08:42 AM)
Did you search for the shortest way from map?
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I did. It was 5.4km by car. (3km if by crapheli)
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post Nov 29 2017, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(hlpang @ Nov 29 2017, 09:37 AM)
How much KM  shown in job hist?
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Thank god I didnt take the job. tongue.gif
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post Nov 29 2017, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(bojed @ Nov 29 2017, 09:43 AM)
Does the number of drivers available have any impact on the fare? More drivers available = less fare?

Yesterday I picked up a rider from Kompleks D Putrajaya and sent him to IOI City Mall. RM12 for 9.5km. After that I sent a rider to Bank Rakyat Serdang Raya from Kolej 14 UPM and the fare was RM11 for 11km 😕
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Because u took the longest route to upm.

Shortest is just 9km.

9km x rm1.1 per km + rm1.5 = rm11.4

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post Nov 29 2017, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 29 2017, 09:48 AM)
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I know this bug, my friend taught me this if u didn't update to latest apps (only for iPhone)

Order during off peak, grab will charge RM1.10 per km for off peak, let say u order at 4.30PM and leave it idle at fare RM5, 6-8pm open back then click order, same price as RM5, supposingly the fare should be RM6-7.
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That means the fare is not checked with the server again upon booking if an old version of app still can pull that trick.

Which also mean rider still can use the most simple memory editing technique to modify the fare in regardless of app version.

Cant believe such a rookie mistake can happen at the so called usd 2bil company. Seriously crap, just hire me as your tech director and the 1st thing i will do is fire all your software engineers.

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